Winnipeg Construction VIII

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

cough cough
only the st charles ummm

banntyne and princes theres a building rotting away

The Edge on Princess is starting to look like a Manitoba Housing project.

[biguc]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

I'm open to hearing about which of these developments you're regarding as successful. I'm always attaching the caveat to my posts that there are certainly examples of buildings that have been renovated and repurposed in some capacity both at the expense of financial success and the City underwriting the investment, but what are we actually talking about here? I wouldn't regard any of the buildings on Princess as success stories in any capacity. You can't just disregard the fact that the city has to step in and plow money into projects in order to get them done. That's a horrible sign. It's as bad of a situation as you can have. How does this connote success?

On that note, I can't imagine Zaifman having much problem getting government money. He's friends with Katz, and Winnipeg's other favorite son, Andrew Marquess, has been quite adept at squeezing money from the city with one hand while violating it with the other. But he's not even asking. He just wants to demolish the building.

You ever heard of Greg O'donnell, Simplicity? He was a retired cop who redeveloped Red Hook, in Brooklyn. He converted old buildings with the intent of converting a neighborhood--this meant, in his case, renting retail space dirt cheap and making his money off residential. Incidentally, he's now a millionaire.

Now you say the markets aren't the same but: Red Hook was crap, and the real point is the big-picture thinking Trueviking is talking about. There's a reason Vancouver has view cones. Get rid of the good things about a place, and it won't be good any more.

Also, O'donnell replicated his success in Red Hook in some toilet of a town up state.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Riverman

The Edge on Princess is starting to look like a Manitoba Housing project.

How so?

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by Riverman

The Edge on Princess is starting to look like a Manitoba Housing project.

what?

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Simplicity

I'm open to hearing about which of these developments you're regarding as successful. I'm always attaching the caveat to my posts that there are certainly examples of buildings that have been renovated and repurposed in some capacity both at the expense of financial success and the City underwriting the investment, but what are we actually talking about here? I wouldn't regard any of the buildings on Princess as success stories in any capacity. You can't just disregard the fact that the city has to step in and plow money into projects in order to get them done. That's a horrible sign. It's as bad of a situation as you can have. How does this connote success?

My office is also in the Exchange. I've been there since 2003. If there's something I'm missing, I'm all ears.

seriously?...the exchanged hasn't changed significantly in the last 10 years?....i wont even justify that.

i don't know if developers are getting rich or not...i don't really care...all i know is that quite a few of them have redeveloped heritage buildings in the last 15 years....to me that is success....the argument is should zaifman be allowed to tear down his building....the answer is no, because there appears to be a number of developers in the area willing to redevelop heritage projects...that cant be argued....its just a fact....i consider all those projects on princess a success....and the dozens of other heritage buildings that have been restored for office, retail, whatever.

the residential grant program has assisted the market for sure, but the government subsidizes suburban development even more....we are building a downtown residential market....hopefully one day it stands on its own...the best opportunity for that to happen is to maintain the buildings that create the demand.

I dont know what your criteria for success is but a developed building is mine...and in a winnipeg context, the area has seen an amazing amount of that since the construction of waterfront drive. When i started working in the exchange, the only residential building was ashdown, now there are easily 25 residential buildings in the exchange.....how many new residential buildings have been built or converted in the rest of downtown in the last 10 years?....two?....the only retail in the area was a few antique shops, how many restaurants and shops are there today?...why would it be happening in the historic neighbourhood i wonder?....any guesses?

fact is many heritage buildings are getting redeveloped.....that cant be argued....the exchange is the fastest growing part of downtown by a long way...residentially and commercially....somebody's making money somewhere or it wouldn't be happening....and it is happening there instead of somewhere else because of the old buildings...the only reason......so, no zaifman has no right to break the rules....

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

huh?

The Freep added the address and removed Point Douglas

A newly renovated Ma Mawi Wi Chi Itata Centre opened today at 445 King St.

The renovations add nearly 9,000 square feet of drop-in/program space....etc..

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/R...ata-Centre--251227671.html?device=mobile

[Cyro]

Reg: the Edge on Princess??

Winnipeg's Exchange District | East/West | Development

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by Cyro

The Freep added the address and removed Point Douglas

A newly renovated Ma Mawi Wi Chi Itata Centre opened today at 445 King St.

The renovations add nearly 9,000 square feet of drop-in/program space....etc..

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/R...ata-Centre--251227671.html?device=mobile

the old mpi offices?

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by trueviking

seriously?...the exchanged hasn't changed significantly in the last 10 years?....i wont even justify that.

i don't know if developers are getting rich or not...i don't really care...all i know is that quite a few of them have redeveloped heritage buildings in the last 15 years....to me that is success....the argument is should zaifman be allowed to tear down his building....the answer is no, because there appears to be a number of developers in the area willing to redevelop heritage projects...that cant be argued....its just a fact....i consider all those projects on princess a success....and the dozens of other heritage buildings that have been restored for office, retail, whatever.

the residential grant program has assisted the market for sure, but the government subsidizes suburban development even more....we are building a downtown residential market....hopefully one day it stands on its own...the best opportunity for that to happen is to maintain the buildings that create the demand.

I dont know what your criteria for success is but a developed building is mine...and in a winnipeg context, the area has seen an amazing amount of that since the construction of waterfront drive. When i started working in the exchange, the only residential building was ashdown, now there are easily 25 residential buildings in the exchange.....how many new residential buildings have been built or converted in the rest of downtown in the last 10 years?....two?....the only retail in the area was a few antique shops, how many restaurants and shops are there today?...why would it be happening in the historic neighbourhood i wonder?....any guesses?

fact is many heritage buildings are getting redeveloped.....that cant be argued....the exchange is the fastest growing part of downtown by a long way...residentially and commercially....somebody's making money somewhere or it wouldn't be happening....and it is happening there instead of somewhere else because of the old buildings...the only reason......so, no zaifman has no right to break the rules....

just west of the exchange theres a cluter of wearhouse buildings manitoba housing converted and built into housing during the 90's why are these never mentioned?
also when was to co-op housing built on market?

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

the old mpi offices?

Haven't driven down King St in sometime but this is the address given in the corrected press release?

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=451+king+s...f6hsLy5DxP39Xh7VyTg&cbp=12,36.41,,0,3.31

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by Cyro

Haven't driven down King St in sometime but this is the address given in the corrected press release?

https://maps.google.ca/maps?q=451+king+s...f6hsLy5DxP39Xh7VyTg&cbp=12,36.41,,0,3.31

mpi had a clame center there they gave it to them as a gift when they built the new main st clame center. i should know i grew up on hallet witch becomes jarvis witch goes right past this location where i used to ketch the 88 to get to issac newton in the early 2000's

[cllew]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

the old mpi offices?

First real claim Winnipeg claim center MPI had after starting out in the old Safeway store at St. Anne and St. Mary. And as noted above was donated to Ma Mawi Wi Chi Itata when the Main St. service center opened up.

The old Selkirk MB claim center is now the home of the Selkirk Transit system after the Selkirk Service center opened on Manitoba Ave next to the big box power center.

[Cyro]

Yeah me too, that centre was their when I worked on Selkirk Ave, actually had some claims filed their..
It''s a great asset to the community...

[1ajs]

the new ones bigger and better and not much further away

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Riverman

The Edge on Princess is starting to look like a Manitoba Housing project.

The cube project or whatever it's called at the east side of the Disraeli looks like a housing project. They have been working on it for what 3-4 years now, still slathered in Tyvec, crap windows and building materials, who but the govt. would buy units there?

[c vist]

Originally Posted by trueviking

seriously?...the exchanged hasn't changed significantly in the last 10 years?....i wont even justify that.

i don't know if developers are getting rich or not...i don't really care...all i know is that quite a few of them have redeveloped heritage buildings in the last 15 years....to me that is success....

fact is many heritage buildings are getting redeveloped.....that cant be argued....the exchange is the fastest growing part of downtown by a long way...residentially and commercially....somebody's making money somewhere or it wouldn't be happening....and it is happening there instead of somewhere else because of the old buildings...

Our office is moving to the exchange in June ... we are about 120 persons. Moving into a heritage building. Proof that development and an increased population in this area is happening ... you just might not be seeing it Simplicity because it is not boom development, it is slow and steady. And no City incentives for us to move their either.

Personally, I can't wait to be working in this area again ... especially with all the new restaurants including Clay Oven in place of the over-sauced dishes that Hu's served.

[DonaldSmith]

Originally Posted by c vist

Our office is moving to the exchange in June ... we are about 120 persons. Moving into a heritage building. Proof that development and an increased population in this area is happening ... you just might not be seeing it Simplicity because it is not boom development, it is slow and steady. And no City incentives for us to move their either.

Personally, I can't wait to be working in this area again ... especially with all the new restaurants including Clay Oven in place of the over-sauced dishes that Hu's served.

My offices are on the north border of the Exchange in Chinatown. Some people have been there over 20 years and are amazed at how it has changed over that time. And it keeps on going. Amazing what the Union Tower and Parlour Coffee has added in just the last couple of years.

[bomberjet]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/precinct-k-whats-the-rush-251749871.html

Precinct K: What's the rush?
When suburban growth outpaces population growth, this type of uncontrolled expansion is not OK

Although I agree with the overall point of the article, which is sustainable growth. I find this rather amusing.

"Since the Complete Communities plan was approved in 2011, Winnipeg has only grown by about 25,000 people.."

Only grew by 25,000 people in the last 2.5 years.. Oh what a downer! Stop the presses, Winnipeg is dead!

[rypinion]

From https://twitter.com/yournextplaceca

What have we been up to lately?

Well, we have several new buildings to launch in the next few months, one of which might very well be Your Next Place!

Keep an eye on our website this week for more details and to add your name to the wait lists so you can be the first notified when we begin leasing!

These guys have done a few things in the core, perhaps they have something new coming there. On their website they have a few "coming soon", including a couple brand new buildings:

http://www.yournextplace.ca/places-you-can-live

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

The cube project or whatever it's called at the east side of the Disraeli looks like a housing project. They have been working on it for what 3-4 years now, still slathered in Tyvec, crap windows and building materials, who but the govt. would buy units there?

Agreed. I cringe every time I pass that god awful eyesore.