The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 201

Elmira Guy · #**4001** Posted **Mar 19, 2014, 4:01 PM**

Very pleased about this!

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4418...bid-to-stop-waterloo-region-lrt-project/

And an excellent column addressing the matter.

http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/4...rom-last-minute-stalling-tactics-on-lrt/

GreaterMontréal · #**4002** Posted **Mar 19, 2014, 6:32 PM**

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kwoldtimer · #**4003** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 3:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Elmira Guy

Very pleased about this!

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/4418...bid-to-stop-waterloo-region-lrt-project/

And an excellent column addressing the matter.

http://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/4...rom-last-minute-stalling-tactics-on-lrt/

Final approval for Ion was given by Regional Council this evening. Cambridge Mayor Craig's motion to exempt Cambridge taxpayers from contributing to the cost of LRT was defeated.

Chadillaccc · #**4004** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 12:42 PM**

That doesn't seem fair at all, since the first phase won't even come within a kilometer of the Cambridge City Limits. To be honest, who knows when or even if the 2nd phase into Cambridge will happen. Just doesn't seem fair for Cambridgites to have to pay as much as Waterloo and Kitchener people who actually get to benefit from it on a daily basis.

WhipperSnapper · #**4005** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 1:54 PM**

Canada would be a richer place if people set aside their pettiness and saw things from a grander perspective.

kwoldtimer · #**4006** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 1:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

That doesn't seem fair at all, since the first phase won't even come within a kilometer of the Cambridge City Limits. To be honest, who knows when or even if the 2nd phase into Cambridge will happen. Just doesn't seem fair for Cambridgites to have to pay as much as Waterloo and Kitchener people who actually get to benefit from it on a daily basis.

That view had gained quite a bit of currency, helped by the fact that Doug Craig is seeking re-election (...). Fortunately, Chair Seiling gave a presentation during the debate on Craig's motion listing all the ways that Cambridge receives more than its "share" of Regional funding. It adds up to millions every year (all paid without complaint by K and W). He basically demolished Craig, if anyone was paying attention, which I doubt - the perception that Cambridge is hard done by in the Region is pretty well entrenched, it seems.

Chadillaccc · #**4007** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 2:39 PM**

Oh okay, well I didn't know that. I was just commenting on what seemed obvious, not about the internal goings-on of the Regional Municipality on a yearly basis. Well then I suppose it is fair, just sort of sucks for Cambridge that they won't be getting it for a decade at best.

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Canada would be a richer place if people set aside their pettiness and saw things from a grander perspective.

Getting rid of pettiness on this forum alone... might as well wait for peace in the Middle East first.

Innsertnamehere · #**4008** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 2:44 PM**

Thing is that it doesn't really make sense to build it there, the ridership in Kitchener will already be fairly low, bringing it to Cambridge at this point will be nothing but a waste. Its roughly equivalent of "scarborough deserves a subway!".

Chadillaccc · #**4009** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 2:51 PM**

Oh I know that for sure. What I mean to say is, I can see why many Cambridgites feel like they are getting fucked on this particular issue, even though they get pampered on others. People tend to look at the issue at hand, not the big picture, when they feel their money is being taken and given to others next door.

WhipperSnapper · #**4010** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 4:51 PM**

They're part of a region and the lrt should benefit that region. It's petty to feel that they shouldn't need to contribute since it's not directly in thier backyard.

miketoronto · #**4011** Posted **Mar 20, 2014, 10:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Thing is that it doesn't really make sense to build it there, the ridership in Kitchener will already be fairly low, bringing it to Cambridge at this point will be nothing but a waste. Its roughly equivalent of "scarborough deserves a subway!".

Umm where did you get that piece of information? Ridership is actually going to be high for the type of region the LRT route is serving, and the small population size.
Are you aware the daily ridership on the initial line is going to be higher than LRT lines in cities with 1 or 2 million people in them, in the USA?

The current central transit corridor bus routes already are carrying more people each day than many LRT lines in other cities. Ridership is currently about 25,000 a day.

Innsertnamehere · #**4012** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 1:26 AM**

which is fairly low for Canadian standards. US ridership justification numbers are much lower than anywhere else due to their abysmal transit use in general. In general, Kitchener's LRT will initially have fairly low ridership.

dleung · #**4013** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 2:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by miketoronto

Umm where did you get that piece of information? Ridership is actually going to be high for the type of region the LRT route is serving, and the small population size.
Are you aware the daily ridership on the initial line is going to be higher than LRT lines in cities with 1 or 2 million people in them, in the USA?

The current central transit corridor bus routes already are carrying more people each day than many LRT lines in other cities. Ridership is currently about 25,000 a day.

25,000! Might as well go for a full subway, right Mike? Build it and they will come!

miketoronto · #**4014** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 8:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

which is fairly low for Canadian standards. US ridership justification numbers are much lower than anywhere else due to their abysmal transit use in general. In general, Kitchener's LRT will initially have fairly low ridership.

That is not low by Canadian standards for small region like Waterloo.

The ridership again will not be daily low. It will be higher than many Metro systems in larger European cities.

Innsertnamehere · #**4015** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 9:10 PM**

Really? People are complaining that Sheppard will have really low ridership for it, and it will be closer to 40,000 daily users. I'm fully supportive of the LRT don't get me wrong, but 25,000 daily users on a 17km LRT is fairly low no matter how to put it. It'll no doubt be a huge success and have skyrocketing ridership, but still.

GreaterMontréal · #**4016** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 9:13 PM**

Yes it's low. It's even lower than a good bus system. 17km is a big number.

caltrane74 · #**4017** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 9:26 PM**

That's true. The Dufferin Bus has 50 000 daily riders or more..

Just ridiculous....

Other Bus routes with ridiculous ridership? Bathurst? And Finch?

GreaterMontréal · #**4018** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 9:35 PM**

In Mtl on Pie-IX, 40 000+ on a 8.5km boul. 70 000 with the BRT.

GlassCity · #**4019** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 9:38 PM**

99 B-Line gets 55,000 as of 2011.

This is why I don't believe in LRT, I don't think there's a middle ground: Once a bus gets to 50,000 people a day, you might as well put in a subway.

GreaterMontréal · #**4020** Posted **Mar 21, 2014, 9:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by GlassCity

99 B-Line gets 55,000 as of 2011.

This is why I don't believe in LRT, I don't think there's a middle ground: Once a bus gets to 50,000 people a day, you might as well put in a subway.

In Montréal, the LRT will move 30 000 pph at rush hour. It's like a metro.