Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by Plaid Shirts

The next resident tower that needs to be built is the Cascade. The base of the building is starting to look out of place.

Kind of agree, depending on how strong the base was built. If the base was built to support the original height, I am fine with waiting until their is significant market demand to make it tall/appear in the skyline again. If the base can only support the height of the latest rendering, then yes, let it be next.

[Scraperdude801]

Living in Murray now, I inly get downtown a couple times a week now, and when I'm there I don't have the time to go visit all the building sites. Does anyone have any updates on the La Porte project, Rinald McDonal House (in sunlight/ head on), Air, seasons at library, or the new Newhouse?

Thanks in advance.

I wish this forum had a rep system, because I would totally rep you.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by delts145

...This would be my favorite, and I would hope this is the actual choice they decided on, especially vs.the one immediately above.


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This is definitely the latest design for CentrePointe. The other design was just a basic sketch for massing.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Skystruck

If every state with zero LDS politictions was doing amazing and Utah ranked dead last at everything you might have a valid point. Sure there are some laws still on the books that are outdated and some that are down right silly but as a whole SLC and Utah consistently rank very high and have an economy that many states envy. More diversity on capitol hill would be welcome but they are clearly doing at least a few things right.

Utah also ranks toward the middle & bottom in a great deal of other issues. Economy isn't the sole driving force behind what makes an area great. The thing is, Utah's economy, for all good it's done, still hasn't amounted to much in major development for Salt Lake City. It's also not been a force in creating inward migration. I've pointed this out already in the past - Utah's growth, the fact it's one of the fastest growing states, is not directly tied to people actually moving to the state and rather the state's high birth rate.

I think Utah is held back by our legislature and the views that this state is backwards in a lot of regards. You know, it's disappointing because we're in a desirable region. All you have to do is look at how Colorado, Idaho and Nevada have grown the last decade or so to see that there is an appetite to live in this area. But while the state ranks high in population growth, it ranks low in outsiders moving here - and that is driven by economic and social conditions.

Our state is growing and the potential is nice. But I do believe the legislature is absolutely holding Utah back and I do believe they actively work against Salt Lake City (and have in the past) out of spite over the fact that it's one of only a handful of areas in the state that conservatism doesn't have a stranglehold.

[ToysNoiz]

OOHHH!!! I LOVE THIS!!

[Zionide]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Well said. Without them we wouldn't have any of the northern towers including Zion's Bank, Eagle Gate Plaze, Gateway West, maybe even Key Bank Tower, plus all the newer towers at CCC. Our skyline would be half the size it is today.

Given that PRI is---as many of you keep harping on---purely a business and not a religion or charity, they built these towers not out of the goodness in their hearts but as sound business decisions based on likely ROI.

"Without them" doesn't mean we wouldn't have the towers; it means another BUSINESS would have recognized the potential profitability and built them.

I'd be just as annoyed if Hamilton or Cowboy owned that much of downtown; as I said before, quality urban environments require diverse and disparate development influences.

[ToysNoiz]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Utah also ranks toward the middle & bottom in a great deal of other issues. Economy isn't the sole driving force behind what makes an area great. The thing is, Utah's economy, for all good it's done, still hasn't amounted to much in major development for Salt Lake City. It's also not been a force in creating inward migration. I've pointed this out already in the past - Utah's growth, the fact it's one of the fastest growing states, is not directly tied to people actually moving to the state and rather the state's high birth rate.

I think Utah is held back by our legislature and the views that this state is backwards in a lot of regards. You know, it's disappointing because we're in a desirable region. All you have to do is look at how Colorado, Idaho and Nevada have grown the last decade or so to see that there is an appetite to live in this area. But while the state ranks high in population growth, it ranks low in outsiders moving here - and that is driven by economic and social conditions.

Our state is growing and the potential is nice. But I do believe the legislature is absolutely holding Utah back and I do believe they actively work against Salt Lake City (and have in the past) out of spite over the fact that it's one of only a handful of areas in the state that conservatism doesn't have a stranglehold.

Great points, Comrade.

I look forward to the day when the majority of the population pushes out these old extremes from our government. They stunt our growth...

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

OOHHH!!! I LOVE THIS!!

Yeah, me too!

[ToysNoiz]

I just noticed, this tower wraps around an old building. This could go on the parking lot on 100 S and Main!!

But nooooo! We can't.

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

I just noticed, this tower wraps around an old building. This could go on the parking lot on 100 S and Main!!

But nooooo! We can't.

But we can!!!!!

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Utah also ranks toward the middle & bottom in a great deal of other issues. Economy isn't the sole driving force behind what makes an area great. The thing is, Utah's economy, for all good it's done, still hasn't amounted to much in major development for Salt Lake City. It's also not been a force in creating inward migration. I've pointed this out already in the past - Utah's growth, the fact it's one of the fastest growing states, is not directly tied to people actually moving to the state and rather the state's high birth rate.

According to the Census bureau, between 2011 and 2012 Utah had an estimated population growth from 2,324,019 to 2,805,440 total increase of 481,421. Of those 481,421, 87,870 were in migration, while not staggering it is 18.3% growth due to in-migration. That is ranked 22nd in the nation for percentage of in-migration between 2011 and 2012. Yes our population growth is very much due to our high birth rate, but it's not as if migration has no significance.

So while where not in the top ten of in-migration we are in the top half.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/migration/data/acs/state-to-state.html

[Stenar]

That's what I said in my original post of this building... that it could wrap around the old Zions Bank.

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

I just noticed, this tower wraps around an old building. This could go on the parking lot on 100 S and Main!!

But nooooo! We can't.

[Stenar]

We had just as many people moving out as moving in, so those 80k+ people didn't increase the population. So, a bunch of those people who contemplate moving from Utah everyday, actually did.


More people moving into Utah than out of it

BY LEE DAVIDSON
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Jan 23 2014 12:40PM

After years of near-zero net immigration into Utah during and after the recession, more people are once again moving into the state than out of it.

Utah had an estimated net in-migration of 9,920 people in 2013, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates released Thursday.

An estimated net of 5,567 of them came from other states, and a net of 4,353 came from other countries.

"That’s a very positive indicator that we are back on track" with an improving economy that is starting to attract domestic and international immigrants, said Pam Perlich, senior research economist for the University of Utah.

That net in-migration is nothing like the 25,000 to 30,000 Utah was attracting in boom times before the recession, "but that wasn’t sustainable anyway," Perlich said.

"This is kind of a slow, steady and manageable population growth combined with a slow, steady, manageable economic growth, too," she said, adding that it shows the effects of the recession have bottomed out.

The net in-migration means Utah "should use up the excess inventory of housing" created in slow economic times, Perlich said. "It should provide more demand for housing."

The 4,343 person international net immigration does not mean Utah is attracting a high number of undocumented immigrants — which is sometimes claimed in political battles. In fact, Perlich said, "As small as that number is, we really don’t have large flows of undocumented people coming into the state right now."

That’s because, in part, those international immigration numbers include people who return here from LDS Church missions abroad. Their large number plus a sizeable group of foreign students mean that the rest of the international in-migration — including by the undocumented — is relatively small, she said.

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

According to the Census bureau, between 2011 and 2012 Utah had an estimated population growth from 2,324,019 to 2,805,440 total increase of 481,421. Of those 481,421, 87,870 were in migration, while not staggering it is 18.3% growth due to in-migration. That is ranked 22nd in the nation for percentage of in-migration between 2011 and 2012. Yes our population growth is very much due to our high birth rate, but it's not as if migration has no significance.

So while where not in the top ten of in-migration we are in the top half.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/migration/data/acs/state-to-state.html

[Plaid Shirts]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

According to the Census bureau, between 2011 and 2012 Utah had an estimated population growth from 2,324,019 to 2,805,440 total increase of 481,421. Of those 481,421, 87,870 were in migration, while not staggering it is 18.3% growth due to in-migration. That is ranked 22nd in the nation for percentage of in-migration between 2011 and 2012. Yes our population growth is very much due to our high birth rate, but it's not as if migration has no significance.

So while where not in the top ten of in-migration we are in the top half.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/migration/data/acs/state-to-state.html

I recall reading somewhere a few months ago that a majority of the people moving out of California were moving to Colorado. I cannot remember if Utah was a state where a good amount of people were moving to from California. At the same time California was obviously growing.

[SLC2GeorgetownU]

Originally Posted by Stenar

This is definitely the latest design for CentrePointe. The other design was just a basic sketch for massing.

Actually no, the one I posted is the latest design, dated Oct. 2 2013, that design was from 2012. Read this article and see the images here

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/07/13/1810819/centrepointe-designs.html

I agree with you that that design is pretty cool but the one I posted is the latest design, a tower 19 stories tall is the tallest.

[SLC2GeorgetownU]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

OOHHH!!! I LOVE THIS!!

Hey I love that too, think how cool that would look as 111 S Main as well!!

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Zionide

Given that PRI is---as many of you keep harping on---purely a business and not a religion or charity, they built these towers not out of the goodness in their hearts but as sound business decisions based on likely ROI.

"Without them" doesn't mean we wouldn't have the towers; it means another BUSINESS would have recognized the potential profitability and built them.

I'd be just as annoyed if Hamilton or Cowboy owned that much of downtown; as I said before, quality urban environments require diverse and disparate development influences.

I do agree that no one should have a monopoly on downtown. It should be diverse as that leads to diverse developments. The LDS Church has brought A LOT to downtown, and I am grateful for their projects and investments, but it's important Salt Lake be known for other things beyond the Mormon Church.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

According to the Census bureau, between 2011 and 2012 Utah had an estimated population growth from 2,324,019 to 2,805,440 total increase of 481,421. Of those 481,421, 87,870 were in migration, while not staggering it is 18.3% growth due to in-migration. That is ranked 22nd in the nation for percentage of in-migration between 2011 and 2012. Yes our population growth is very much due to our high birth rate, but it's not as if migration has no significance.

So while where not in the top ten of in-migration we are in the top half.

https://www.census.gov/hhes/migration/data/acs/state-to-state.html

Migration plays a role, however, it's scaled back compared to our region. Utah is not growing at the rate as its neighbors - at least, comparatively. So, while we're in the middle of the pack nationwide, compared to our area, we certainly are lacking when it comes to in-migration. In all honesty, remove the stigma much of this state has, and there should be no reason Utah doesn't rival other states in the interior west for growth. But we continue to mostly grow internally and that will have an impact on the way the state develops as it also means far less religious, ideological and cultural diversity.

The biggest thing working against that from happening, of course, is our growing Hispanic population. But I'm guessing a lot of Utahns are uneasy with that prospect.

[Stenar]

[QUOTE=SLC2GeorgetownU;6474977]Actually no, the one I posted is the latest design, dated Oct. 2 2013, that design was from 2012. Read this article and see the images here

The one I posted does seem to be an older design.

It's crazy that this project has gone through so many architects, at least 4 or 5. They should have kept EOP's design.

This design below was announced in August and looks better than the one you posted. But the one you posted, although almost the same says it's by a different architect from October(?):

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by ToysNoiz

I just noticed, this tower wraps around an old building. This could go on the parking lot on 100 S and Main!!

But nooooo! We can't.

That is way too bold for Salt Lake.