Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[SLC2GeorgetownU]

Originally Posted by Stenar

This building looks like a big pile of stink from the '90s. When it was proposed in Lexington, KY, the locals threw a fit and roundly derided it. They kept pressing the developer for better designs and did end up with something far better and more modern for the CentrePointe development.

I was only saying that something along the lines of this and The Austonian would look nice for the CCH, not exactly this design. Secondly, the reason this design was shot down wasn't because residents didn't like it, it was because residents opposed them tearing the pre existing buildings down to accommodate the large footprint of the tower as well as opposing a misunderstanding about "tax increment financing" and how the city was financing the project. This would have been the cities tallest building if they would have gone forward with it. The original developers then went through several variations before finally giving up and another company came in with the final design showed below. I find it funny you think what they got instead is much better, the final product is absolutely dull and where do you get "Modern"?




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Please let me know what you all think is better...hmmm? Comment and let me know. Which would you all rather have as our CCH?

[Future Mayor]

I like the basic design of the tower, not a fan of what appears to be a pinkish hue to the stone facade, but other than that I think something similar would provide nice street frontage, although I would prefer continuous sidewalk engagement rather than the substantial set back in the middle.

Overall it would provide height, density, and street engagement while providing a non box design for a possible new tallest.

I do however like the overall concept that the newest developer proposed, or built. I think it provides a bit more variety and pedestrian interaction. If we weren't looking at the basic design as a possibility for the CCH, I would actually prefer the newest proposal as a better addition to a block/neighborhood. In the sense of a CCH thought, I think it's great.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by EPdesign

I posted it a while back...and somebody posted it way before me...I can't even remember the designers names or the forumer that posted it...I think this was just a concept of what they had in mind. You can see the Building that use to be the Questar building in the back

For the most part I like the design of this proposal, if that is what they end up going with. I do hope that the parking garage that is being built mid block will have a complete street from State to 200 E, basically connecting adjacent to 145 State and this residential building. I wouldn't mind seeing the overall project be a few stories taller, even taking it to 8-10.

This is another great housing development that will add even more density in/near the CBD.

[Stenar]

The criticism wasn't just about the footprint of the building and the large area to be torn down. They already tore down all the buildings and the new designs will cover the same area.

This is the latest design and definitely more modern:

Originally Posted by SLC2GeorgetownU

I was only saying that something along the lines of this and The Austonian would look nice for the CCH, not exactly this design. Secondly, the reason this design was shot down wasn't because residents didn't like it, it was because residents opposed them tearing the pre existing buildings down to accommodate the large footprint of the tower as well as opposing a misunderstanding about "tax increment financing" and how the city was financing the project. This would have been the cities tallest building if they would have gone forward with it. The original developers then went through several variations before finally giving up and another company came in with the final design showed below. I find it funny you think what they got instead is much better, the final product is absolutely dull and where do you get "Modern"?




OR







Please let me know what you all think is better...hmmm? Comment and let me know. Which would you all rather have as our CCH?

[Scraperdude801]

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[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I just wish they would so something with all the empty land they have between north and south temple... Do you think they are waiting to see if we win the Olympic bid and it might need to be used for that again?

While its not my preferred location, that property could be a potential site for the CCH and CLRSPCC expansion.

Every now and then I like to abbreviate the entire name of the Salt Palace.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Stenar

The criticism wasn't just about the footprint of the building and the large area to be torn down. They already tore down all the buildings and the new designs will cover the same area.

This is the latest design and definitely more modern:

Between this and the original, this design and street interaction wins hands down. You are correct, much more updated and modern

[Stenar]

We probably wouldn't get anything this modern, but I'd rather the CCH look more like these:


The Aldyn



Baccarat Hotel and Residences



The Visionaire



The Rushmore

[Stenar]

A similar design could be cool for the SW corner of 100 S and Main, where the small, historic Zions Bank is located:

The Exchange, being built in Vancouver over the historic stock exchange:

[delts145]

I like the tower portion of this design for Salt Lake...


...and I agree, the above is definitely an improvement over this below. I was under the impression that this is what they ended up with...


...This would be my favorite, and I would hope this is the actual choice they decided on, especially vs.the one immediately above.


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[delts145]

Originally Posted by Scraperdude801

At least the basketball talk didn't involve personal insults...

I very much appreciated your commentary on the Jazz Scraperdude. It was very well informed. You gave me some food for thought that I wasn't aware of previously.

[scottharding]

Originally Posted by Stenar

We don't know that HP was backing away from this deal.

I think it went like this:

Church leaders see 111 and think it would be a good place for a secondary office building for the church downtown. They approach HP about taking over the project.

Goldman Sachs was originally going to rent space in 111, but the church contacts Boyer about putting them in their new building on State.

Boyer suddenly raises the height of their building because Goldman is switching to their building.

HP isn't going to have another project in the works any time soon. Not unless they've known about this for a year or more. These highrise developments don't just happen overnight.

If I had to gamble, I think I'd bet that this is this case. To me, this seems the most likely way that this all played out.

[RosePark]

Where would SLC be without the investments of PR? You'd have a dying mall in the middle of downtown and half of the towers would not exist. They have stepped up to build a tower that would probably be dead in the water otherwise.

Maybe someday SLC will have a more diverse set of developers and investors, but today is not that day and without the investments of PR, we'll never get there.

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

City Creek Reserve is a for profit company that is owned by the LDS church, all transactions that City Creek Reserve engages in are taxed just as any other business is taxed. Property Reserve is funded by it's own business entities, such as City Creek Center, other parking garages, etc. Tithing money isn't used to fund the 111 tower, tithing money wasn't used to fund CCC.

The non profit LDS church builds temples, chapels and funds charitable donations around the world.

City Creek Reserve, Property Reserve, Bonneville Communications(KSL, Deseret News), etc. are all for profit entities that pay taxes on all their properties and profits.


So here's the simple version. 111 will be financed by Property Reserve (no tithing money will be involved), and the property taxes on the building will be exactly the same as if Hamilton was still developing 111.

Thank you.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

While its not my preferred location, that property could be a potential site for the CCH and CLRSPCC expansion.

Every now and then I like to abbreviate the entire name of the Salt Palace.

I've got to be honest with you.. I wish they would drop the CLR from the salt palace.. It's really quite ridiculous. I've never known anyone to refer to it as that.. Most people don't even know that that was ever added on there. People know the place as "the salt Palace". The only thing that I can see the CLR part accomplishing is to confuse the hell out of people when they attempt to look it up in the phonebook. I'm Not even sure what the significance of CLR is in regards to the salt Palace or why they would put that name on there in the first place :/

[mrawesome]

Originally Posted by RosePark

Where would SLC be without the investments of PR? You'd have a dying mall in the middle of downtown and half of the towers would not exist. They have stepped up to build a tower that would probably be dead in the water otherwise.

Maybe someday SLC will have a more diverse set of developers and investors, but today is not that day and without the investments of PR, we'll never get there.

Well said.

Honestly guys? This is ridiculous. Why can't you guys look past the name LDS and see all of the great things they have done for our city? Anyway, can we please stop this silly discussion? It's getting feelings hurt and getting us nowhere.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

I've got to be honest with you.. I wish they would drop the CLR from the salt palace.. It's really quite ridiculous. I've never known anyone to refer to it as that.. Most people don't even know that that was ever added on there. People know the place as "the salt Palace". The only thing that I can see the CLR part accomplishing is to confuse the hell out of people when they attempt to look it up in the phonebook. I'm Not even sure what the significance of CLR is in regards to the salt Palace or why they would put that name on there in the first place :/

Calvin L Rampton was the Governor that first pushed for an convention center. It was through his efforts that the previous version of the Salt Palace, the one with the arena, was built.

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

For the most part I like the design of this proposal, if that is what they end up going with. I do hope that the parking garage that is being built mid block will have a complete street from State to 200 E, basically connecting adjacent to 145 State and this residential building. I wouldn't mind seeing the overall project be a few stories taller, even taking it to 8-10.

This is another great housing development that will add even more density in/near the CBD.

I hope the mid-block street connects as well. It would be nice is 145 housed a restaurant in their lobby and used their planned small surface parking lot to the north as outside seating, so pedestrians would have a reason to go down that street. Maybe some food carts could set up in the area between the parking garage and 145 as well. Just some thoughts. I'd hate to see the mid-block street be nothing more than a driveway like at the eastside/emigration/broadway development.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by RosePark

Where would SLC be without the investments of PR? You'd have a dying mall in the middle of downtown and half of the towers would not exist. They have stepped up to build a tower that would probably be dead in the water otherwise.

Maybe someday SLC will have a more diverse set of developers and investors, but today is not that day and without the investments of PR, we'll never get there.

Well said. Without them we wouldn't have any of the northern towers including Zion's Bank, Eagle Gate Plaze, Gateway West, maybe even Key Bank Tower, plus all the newer towers at CCC. Our skyline would be half the size it is today.

[Plaid Shirts]

The next resident tower that needs to be built is the Cascade. The base of the building is starting to look out of place.