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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 1:10 AM
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Fair point. I might be underestimating any feelings about the Strip's club days, but I haven't heard talk of that in a long time. I probably could've used another example of areas that will receive residential attention in the future...like the Lower Hill, maybe Uptown.
My wife works in the Strip, and is mildly uncomfortable as a woman working overtime late into the night at her office. Although that's more because there are so few "eyes on the street" after sundown than anything. A few thousand more residents might help its safety perceptions improve tremendously.

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Fixing up old but still occupied neighborhoods actually tends to reduce density because multi-family buildings get converted back to single family. My neighborhood, Allegheny West, has gone down a lot in population over the last few decades from that effect. My wife and I have this giant 2700 square foot townhouse and it's just the two of us (and three cats and a tarantula). In the sixties and seventies a lot of these places might have had ten or twenty people living in them but now only have a couple and one or two kids.
I'm guessing Allegheny West has just about bottomed out, since almost all of the multi-family houses have been converted back. Eventually things like the North Avenue warehouse conversions will start bringing additional units on line, and hopefully they'll be some apartments built somewhere as well. Your neighborhood really needs more residential density for the Western Avenue business district to meet its full potential.

Elsewhere these days, I don't see this dynamic happening much. South Side already started growing despite gentrification. I'm expecting Lawrenceville will too this decade, provided enough new apartment projects get off the ground like Locomotive Lofts. Even in East Liberty, the new apartment projects plus infill houses should cancel out the subdivided houses which have been converted back into SFH.

Someplace like Highland Park, though, probably will continue to shrink. Not too many vacant lots for infill, and houses are still being converted back to SFH. Shadyside might have peaked for the time being as well.

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Agreed. But the one sour note is that some people are afraid of losing what they like about the core commercial area, and inclined to oppose an ambitious project in the Buncher properties as a result. Hopefully Peduto et al can show some beneficial leadership on this issue.
I've read about proposals to have the entire core of the Strip commercial area made a historic district, which seems completely wrong-headed. Those ugly one-story warehouses don't need protection just because people happen to like what they house.

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Indeed. However, one other factor to keep in mind is that there are now a lot of brownfields and such available for new residential that were occupied back in the peak population days. So if you build densely enough in those locations, you can add a significant number of new units before having to change the character of established residential neighborhoods.
People often talk as if the goal is reproducing the density of the city in 1950. But when you look at where housing is discussed these days, it's more about reproducing the density of 1900 or earlier. By 1950, neighborhoods like the Strip District, North Shore, Lawrenceville, South Side Flats, etc had already lost population steadily for 50 years due to housing demolition for factories and other large nonresidential structures.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 5:38 AM
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I don't think you understand how upset a lot of Pittsburghers are about this, many people described him as a police officer, that happened to be a K-9. He died protecting a city of Pittsburgh officer from someone who could have killed him. If you care, what are some things that you would consider memorializing. (I'm not angry, I just don't understand your reasoning.)
Unfortunately, I understand all too well how "upset" a lot of Pittsburghers are about this, and how Rocco was considered to be a police officer... particularly now, a week later... after mainstream and social media has been abuzz and store owners have put all sorts of "Rocco" hero signs in shop windows.

I certainly do not like seeing animals killed, but this was a case of a trained attack dog being used to subdue and immobilize a criminal, in order to prevent/limit potential injury to police officers. In that respect, the dog did his job and did it well. Is it sad to me that a dog was killed? Absolutely... losing a trusted pet friend is definitely tough.

Has the outpouring of support and sentiment about Rocco and his "heroics", his "sense of duty", and the attention paid to this "police officer's" death (even going so far as having a large public funeral ceremony at the Soldiers & Sailors Memorial... an edifice to those who served and were killed in wars) gone overboard with melodramatic histrionics... even going so disgustingly far as evoking audacious comparisons to the killings of and memorials to Officers Eric Kelly, Stephen Mayhle, and Paul Sciullo? Absolutely, on that count, in my opinion.

Though I'm sure Officer Rocco's mother and father, siblings, wife, children, and all his friends appreciate the public sentiment.


As for what I would consider memorializing... I think a statue of Myron Cope made of terry cloth fits the bill.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 6:14 AM
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Here's a visual of the updated Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton PA-WV-OH Consolidated Statistical Area:

Old post, but I was reading the discussion some of us forumers had about Pittsburgh looking eastward and/or looking west towards Cleveland. Obviously the east coast is the holy grail of economic inter-connectivity but I noticed that the Pittsburgh CSA, Youngstown CSA and Cleveland/Akron/Canton CSA counties are contiguous and with a combined population of 6.82 million.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 4:29 PM
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So this article suggests that they built the August Wilson Center with the possible future use of the air rights in mind:

http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/theater-d...ugust-Wilson-Center/stories/201402090045

That would be great if true--it could potentially allow a buyer to develop those rights at a reasonable cost.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 4:39 PM
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So this article suggests that they built the August Wilson Center with the possible future use of the air rights in mind:

http://www.post-gazette.com/ae/theater-d...ugust-Wilson-Center/stories/201402090045

That would be great if true--it could potentially allow a buyer to develop those rights at a reasonable cost.
I always thought that such a small, low density building in such a hot area was a waste of space. I would really like to see the developer build up with a hotel or some apartments, they would really go quickly.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 4:45 PM
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Where's that Oxford development going in the Strip?
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 5:09 PM
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Where's that Oxford development going in the Strip?
On Railroad between 26th and 27th, where Pitt-Ohio is now.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 5:55 PM
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Where's that Oxford development going in the Strip?
For context, this is the site.
http://goo.gl/maps/TBC8a
When pitt ohio moves to their site in Harmar, the building will be demolished.

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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 8:35 PM
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Unfortunately, I understand all too well how "upset" a lot of Pittsburghers are about this, and how Rocco was considered to be a police officer... particularly now, a week later... after mainstream and social media has been abuzz and store owners have put all sorts of "Rocco" hero signs in shop windows.

I certainly do not like seeing animals killed, but this was a case of a trained attack dog being used to subdue and immobilize a criminal, in order to prevent/limit potential injury to police officers. In that respect, the dog did his job and did it well. Is it sad to me that a dog was killed? Absolutely... losing a trusted pet friend is definitely tough.

Has the outpouring of support and sentiment about Rocco and his "heroics", his "sense of duty", and the attention paid to this "police officer's" death (even going so far as having a large public funeral ceremony at the Soldiers & Sailors Memorial... an edifice to those who served and were killed in wars) gone overboard with melodramatic histrionics... even going so disgustingly far as evoking audacious comparisons to the killings of and memorials to Officers Eric Kelly, Stephen Mayhle, and Paul Sciullo? Absolutely, on that count, in my opinion.

Though I'm sure Officer Rocco's mother and father, siblings, wife, children, and all his friends appreciate the public sentiment.


As for what I would consider memorializing... I think a statue of Myron Cope made of terry cloth fits the bill.
Agreed. To put it another way, in context of the thousands of human and canine tragedies out there that happen every week in this metropolis, Rocco is getting waaaaaay too much coverage. The P-G even did a story on the flip-side about how many dogs just like Rocco get shot dead by police if they feel threatened. Tragedies need to be prevented and avoided and learned from but I think Rocco's 15 minutes are up, this isn't the only story of immense sadness and sympathy out there.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 9:43 PM
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Agreed. To put it another way, in context of the thousands of human and canine tragedies out there that happen every week in this metropolis, Rocco is getting waaaaaay too much coverage. The P-G even did a story on the flip-side about how many dogs just like Rocco get shot dead by police if they feel threatened. Tragedies need to be prevented and avoided and learned from but I think Rocco's 15 minutes are up, this isn't the only story of immense sadness and sympathy out there.
Rocco was Lawrenceville's Stanton Heights.
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Old Posted Feb 9, 2014, 10:16 PM
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For context, this is the site.
http://goo.gl/maps/y2E2A
When pitt ohio moves to their site in Harmar, the building will be demolished.
The site is actually on the opposite side of Railroad Street, facing the river.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 12:37 AM
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The site is actually on the opposite side of Railroad Street, facing the river.
Sorry about that.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 12:38 AM
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Interesting information about PAT's on-time statistics:

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transpo...iders/stories/201402090059#ixzz2sqK1Vdie

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Once aggregated, the data show the most reliable Port Authority routes tend to be those using the three buses-only corridors. Twenty-two of 26 routes on the East, West and South busways operated on time or early more than 80 percent of the time. . . . On the other hand, buses traveling through Oakland were most likely to be late. Four principal routes, the 61A and 61B and 71A and 71B, all were late more than 30 percent of the time. Seven of the 11 Port Authority routes with late rates of 30 percent or higher were Oakland routes.
So if in addition to the average time savings, the Oakland BRT project could improve the on-time statistics for the relevant routes, that would be a notable improvement in service quality.

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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 1:22 AM
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No information in that article about how that information will actually be conveyed to riders. Hoping for an open API but the article doesn't say anything.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 2:04 PM
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No information in that article about how that information will actually be conveyed to riders. Hoping for an open API but the article doesn't say anything.
I suspect they were referring to this:

http://www.portauthority.org/paac/NewsEv...me-Information-Pilot-Begins/Default.aspx

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Beginning Wednesday, August 21 [2013], riders will be able to view real-time locations for the P1 East Busway-All Stops bus route through Port Authority’s website. This is the initial testing and demonstration phase of Port Authority’s real-time arrivals system. This initial phase will be limited to only the P1 route and only those buses on regular route (not detoured). We expect to begin installing additional equipment and rolling out real-time capability to additional routes in early 2014. The project will proceed in phases, with a goal of having most of the bus system covered by 2015. Additional real-time system features will also be introduced in phases. For example, open data for developers and tracking of detoured routes will be available at a later date.
I've been using the system for P1 tracking on my phone, and it has proven pretty useful, albeit with some quirks and sometimes what looks like incomplete data (like buses showing up in the real world when they didn't appear on the tracking system):

http://74.116.73.3/bustime/home.jsp

In that sense the reference to "open data for developers" is pretty encouraging, since I do think that competing to do this better would be helpful.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 2:17 PM
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Just opening up an API would be the easiest and cheapest way for them to go. There are already a ton a transit apps out there that would use that data and let riders view it.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 2:21 PM
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Article about looking to the Over-the-Rhine neighborhood in Cincy for some models of how to incorporate more affordable housing in the Lower Hill development site:

http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/5536258-74/hill-district-affordable#axzz2svcU2tHu

Personally, I continue to think the focus should be on the actual number of affordable units, not the percentage, which means the Penguins could stay at or near the same percentage of market-rate units but provide more affordable units by adding to the total number of planned units.

I might note that the Mercer Commons development cited in the article is a decent enough project, but more of an infill-type project than this would be since it is going into a more established area and includes a large historic preservation/re-use element:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2013/08/07/heres-a-look-at-the-progress-at.html

http://overtherhine.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/the-most-recent-mercer-commons-renderings/





Here (unfortunately) we are dealing with a blank slate, but I personally think that means we should go with significantly higher densities than Mercer Commons. I'd start with 6-story multi-units being the floor in terms of residential density, and go up from there in the portions closer to Downtown or Uptown.

Overall, in terms of development form, I keep thinking the target should be more Downtown DC than Over-the-Rhine. But holding that aside, looking for existing models of how to finance public-private developments with a large affordable housing component seems like a good idea.

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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 2:27 PM
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Just opening up an API would be the easiest and cheapest way for them to go. There are already a ton a transit apps out there that would use that data and let riders view it.
I agree, but it seems like they are committed to building their own system first.
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 2:53 PM
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Here is a new project in DC, City Center DC. Something along these lines is what I would love to see in the Lower Hill site (not necessarily in terms of design but in terms of scale/density):



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Old Posted Feb 10, 2014, 3:38 PM
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30% affordable units is a ridiculous demand and will depress the potential of the site. This site should be conceptualized as an extension of Downtown rather than another low-slung "mixed-income" project. Unfortunately, retaining "mixed-income" specialist McCormack Baron Salazar for this development does not inspire confidence.
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