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Old Posted Feb 3, 2014, 4:55 AM
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Yep, that was me.

This guy mentions that it will reopen in March so I guess we have a rough timeline for the guideway through that curve there - https://twitter.com/Mikeysglock20/status/429410157978607616
So I guess we're looking at March 31?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2014, 7:00 PM
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First section of steel guideway on the outbound has been raised.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2014, 9:58 PM
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First section of steel guideway on the outbound has been raised.
So I guess it pretty much take them one night to put up a couple of steel guideway segments (I noticed from your video its two large pieces bolted together) for one lane?

Presumably, once the concrete has been poured on the support brace, then can proceed to put on the next two sections for outbound and inbound....so perhaps by March 1, they can be done?

Regardless, it will be very interesting to see how it would look like once they connect to the White Spot column. Seems the gap between the columns are so long, but as posted earlier, we have seen this kind of thing before in New West...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 12:17 AM
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So I guess it pretty much take them one night to put up a couple of steel guideway segments (I noticed from your video its two large pieces bolted together) for one lane?

Presumably, once the concrete has been poured on the support brace, then can proceed to put on the next two sections for outbound and inbound....so perhaps by March 1, they can be done?

Regardless, it will be very interesting to see how it would look like once they connect to the White Spot column. Seems the gap between the columns are so long, but as posted earlier, we have seen this kind of thing before in New West...
Each of the curved steel elements from Lougheed Station to North road holds a single track, and the steelwork is needed because of the (now un-necessary) twist-over hump left over from the original construction of the Millennium Line. The hump was the beginning of the twist-over to keep outbound and inbound tracks on their proper sides of the North Road stations. With the twist-over removed, now trains running between Lougheed and Burquitlam stations will be 'wrong railing' ie: running on the left-hand tracks rather than the right-hand tracks as seen on the rest of the system.

Rather than spend a lot of time & $$ to re-engineer that section of track after the the twist-over was deleted, the tracks were simply left side-by-side through the curve. However, with two segments of the original hump already built, when adding the Evergreen extension the two pre-built tracks were already at different elevations, so the two steel curves are being used to continue the separated tracks, adjust for the different elevations of each track while they fly over White Spot, and then arrive at the median of North Road at the same elevation.

Once on North Road, the separate tracks on the steel beams become twin tracks on the concrete beams being installed using the gantry crane. (as seen in earlier photos)

A similar transition can be seen north of Broadway & Commercial Station:
The Expo tracks transition from the concrete track beams along-side the Grandview Cut, to separate steel beams in the curve over Commercial, then back to separate inbound and outbound concrete beams while moving apart from each other to make room for the Broadway platform.

Once the steel beams are in place and bolted together to make a solid unit, they will be capped with a concrete track base and sides (to hold the LIM, the train rails, and the power rails). This gives the impression at the rail-fan windows that everything is concrete, even though there is an underlying steel beam holding everything together through the curve over White Spot.

If you're wondering how they will transition from Left-hand running to Right-hand running for the rest of the Evergreen line, there are two cross-overs south of Burquitlam station to get trains back on their 'proper' Right-hand tracks.

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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 1:18 AM
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Is there any reason why they couldn't just have the trains running on the left?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 1:28 AM
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Is there any reason why they couldn't just have the trains running on the left?
Too confusing for the sheeple to figure out.

Imagine having SkyTrain where trains run on the 'right-side' tracks so the Vancouver-bound trains are always on the north side of the platform
... except for some Evergreen platforms, where the Vancouver-bound trains use the South side of the platform because those trains run on the 'left-side' tracks.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 1:41 AM
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Too confusing for the sheeple to figure out.

Imagine having SkyTrain where trains run on the 'right-side' tracks so the Vancouver-bound trains are always on the north side of the platform
... except for some Evergreen platforms, where the Vancouver-bound trains use the South side of the platform because those trains run on the 'left-side' tracks.
Most people won't know which side is 'north' though, even when there's the mountains...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 2:45 AM
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Most people won't know which side is 'north' though, even when there's the mountains...
Some people are confused that trains can open their doors on either side, not understanding that the station platforms are either outside the track guideways or inside (between) the tracks.
"how does the train know which side to open? without a driver??"
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 9:15 PM
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Thanks for the video!

Pic from a friend today:

     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2014, 9:54 PM
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looks like it could have been a skookum roller-coaster!

Wheee!
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 12:10 AM
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Ugh! Based on officedweller's friend pic, it looks like the guideways won't be able to make it to Burquitlam plaza until mid or late March. It looks like two to three weeks per segment now if crossing traffic so yeah.....I guess my one segment per week estimate earlier was way way over optomistic. At least the Lougheed Station area is progressing at a much more steady pace...
     
     
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Ugh! Based on officedweller's friend pic, it looks like the guideways won't be able to make it to Burquitlam plaza until mid or late March. It looks like two to three weeks per segment now if crossing traffic so yeah.....I guess my one segment per week estimate earlier was way way over optomistic. At least the Lougheed Station area is progressing at a much more steady pace...
patience, grasshopper.
once the gantry crane is south of Burquitlam Stn, it will pick up speed.
(not because its mostly downhill)
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 2:52 AM
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patience, grasshopper.
once the gantry crane is south of Burquitlam Stn, it will pick up speed.
(not because its mostly downhill)
I don't think it will pick up speed immediately south of Burquitlam station. There is still a lot of complicated tight spaces there and the turn going into North Road. Once actually on North Road, it should pick up speed.

One thing I'm curious about is what about the part where the transition area to get the trains to the "right tracks". I doubt it would be right beside Burquitlam Station, would it?

Or would it be in the North Road area, perhaps on those columns that look different from the rest....??

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North Road at Cameron St. (looking North)
The columns(?) here are the same design as those two blocks south at Gatineau Place, They do seem to be narrower than the other style.
Or perhaps even north of the one above in a different area yet to be seen or built?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 3:10 AM
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Those two columns are built asymmetrical to make room for the left-turn lane. The support would be directly under the eastbound track while the westbound track would be hanging above the left turn lane. Its like.. the shape of Γ instead of T.
     
     
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One thing I'm curious about is what about the part where the transition area to get the trains to the "right tracks". I doubt it would be right beside Burquitlam Station, would it?
Do we have any information about this crossover transition area actually is? I assumed it was just a pair of switches, if that is the case there would be room on the flat section just before Burquitlam Station
     
     
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Do we have any information about this crossover transition area actually is? I assumed it was just a pair of switches, if that is the case there would be room on the flat section just before Burquitlam Station
Based on the minimal information gleaned from Facebook comments and the partnership documents, it appears that is correct.

Which means if they ever do put a station at Cameron, it would be running wrong-side.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 6:26 AM
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Based on the minimal information gleaned from Facebook comments and the partnership documents, it appears that is correct.

Which means if they ever do put a station at Cameron, it would be running wrong-side.
More significantly, they can't put a station in at Cameron unless they build a level section of guideway for it.

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For the switches, this Canada Line pic shows that switches can be installed on what looks like the regular segmental guideway -
so there may be no difference in the appearance of the columns below. If there is a siding then it would need a wider double guideway and the columns would be bigger (like near Art Knapps on Lougheed Hwy.) - but there's no indication of that.


http://canadalinephotos.blogspot.ca/2009/08/2009-08-17-marine-drive-station.html
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 7:36 PM
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Both inbound and outbound guideways pretty much reach the WhiteSpot building as of this morning, and the elevation difference between the two are quite minimal now. Seems like by the time they crosses over the building, both tracks will already at pretty much the same level.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2014, 9:21 PM
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Both inbound and outbound guideways pretty much reach the WhiteSpot building as of this morning, and the elevation difference between the two are quite minimal now. Seems like by the time they crosses over the building, both tracks will already at pretty much the same level.
And of course with no photos or videos, we're just going to have to use our imagination to visualize what this all means...

Seriously, it looks like the Lougheed Station area is really picking its pace. Aside from installling the girders, I guess they also need to get the deckings and railings in place above White Spot by March (31st... ).
     
     
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