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Old Posted Jan 30, 2014, 6:22 AM
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If the route was to be dropped I suspect BA would easily take over the route with a 787.
This is the part i disagree with. Why would BA need to wait for AC to bow out? Are they afraid of competing for Edmontonians business? BA certainly has no problem in competing with AC, KL and at one point LH out of YYC. Who cares if AC has a tantrum. FI didn't get scared of the tantrum however BA and KL seemed to have. OR is it basic economics and BA and KL feel they can't fill their planes due to loads / yield factors etc. or that their product is not competitive enough to AC's product.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2014, 3:55 PM
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^ exactly. On this point I agree with you. Just because AC has a route to LHR from YEG, what is stopping BA from entering. Our market has matured since the launch of AC service to LHR. While we have a route to LHR, why wouldn't BA want to enter our market which is being seen as underserved. They have a better network out of LHR than AC, and connections with WS.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2014, 5:44 PM
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I was at the YEG FT DO last night. Great discussion and presentations from EIAA operations and marketing staff.

WRT "show AC the door" comments I posted above, standby what I said and it would probably surprise some on here that last nights speech from the EIAA passenger development (marketing) manager was closer to my post. That is AC is an important player in the YEG market with about 30 percent market share. While there was a dust up over the AC LHR and FI service introduction. the EIAA is trying to get past the incident.

Final thing on the importance of AC. YEG has an inbound/outbound passenger imbalance, that is locals are using YEG lot more than visitors are coming Edmonton. Addressing this imbalance is the biggest upside potential for EIAA marketing team.

Some other things that I picked up from the session.

Iceland Air is doing very well (Also got this backed up by a local Travel Agent who is doing lots of FI bookings), the city has really embraced FI. The tight connections are on everyone's mind, both EIAA and FT people alike.

Operationally speaking, Snow Control has got some really neat tools. Fortunately Iveson was not at the meeting - hate to see the YEG snow plows get redirected to 23rd Avenue. Improvements to runway surface conditions computer modeling systems have greatly improved the performance of the airfield and reduced costs. Training program fro Snow Control team is homebuilt and is best in class.

But lets get back to the marketing aspect, specifically new routes. The next big challenge for EIAA is to solidify FI as a long term player into the market. On the assumption that FI is really doing well in YEG. EIAA should be pushing hard for (A) daily flights, (B) slightly better slot times of 1/2 hour earlier into KEF and half our later departure from KEF would solve the tight connection concerns.

Big picture (my opinion only) is that EIAA also has to look beyond FI in the longer term. FI and YEG appear to be a good fit for one another. However the FI value proposition (connections to Europe) is based on a single Uni-directional 10 aircraft bank. Additionally there is only one type of aircraft 757 turning into 738max). Once YEG goes daily on KEF, getting a second daily departure will be very tough sledding.

EIAA did not mention much about tier 1 airline new entrants (e.g. BA, AF, LH). Distilling their slide presentation and discussion about FI, I wonder aloud if BA and LH are really the right fit for YEG because these airlines are front cabin dependent BA is treading water in YYC and LH has scuttled their service. Perhaps KLM would be a better a fit for YEG. I suspect however that going after KLM would result in FI leaving the market.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2014, 6:07 PM
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As much as I like to Slag AC, this past week of flying was a pleasant run more or less. Other than the Mechanical out of TO last night that got me home 2.5 hour late, the flights were quite good and service staff was excellent. This after a helashus WestJet Dec and adventures in what not to do with mobility challenged passengers and no-locking wheelchairs (when they are available, long story which may have lawyers involved). The AC staff in YYZ and YEG bent over backward to accommodate my wife.
Interesting to see even the north hold room gates being used by AC and WJ last night.
One thing though, they really need to start upgageing the YYZ YEG flight, it is always packed when I am on it.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2014, 7:38 PM
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Interesting read off Flyertalk of holiday utilizing YEG as an inbound destination:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-reports/1511239-first-time-business-class-canada.html
     
     
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Another example similiar to above is when we went on an Alaskan cruise with Celebrity Cruiselines and met a couple that used the "Land and Sea" option with them - that is they landed in Calgary, took the train to Vancouver and got on board. This is something that can be done through Edmonton and provide a great source of inbound passengers.
     
     
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The numbers of German tourist heading north to Yellowknife and beyond could help. Most fly into Whitehorse then down to YEG or YYC then up to the knife.

However Air North will now be running flights between Yellowknife and Whitehorse to pick up on some of these.
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2014, 6:44 PM
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Saw an Icelandair commercial yesterday advertising YEG - KEF. Along with their #YEGHunt campaign, LRT advertising, nice to see them with a noticeable presence here!
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2014, 3:34 PM
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The feasibility of an aerotropolis development at Edmonton International Airport in Alberta, Canada will be ascertained in a viability study by March 2015. The City of Leduc and Leduc County, known as the Leduc Partnership, have issued a request for proposals (RFP) to undertake the study and develop a strategic action plan to turn the land surrounding the airport into a “central business district” for the county. This will be due in December, while the strategic action plan will be synchronized with market analysis by March 2015. - See more at:
http://www.globalairportcities.com/page....ryID=1242/listID=14#sthash.R9B7gjnM.dpuf
     
     
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Indeed... more than a few of us are looking at it
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2014, 4:06 PM
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Also looks like we might be getting some of the new EMB on the IAH route, I wonder if this will suplement the mainline:
Got a sneak peak on the intitial routes for the EMB. IAH to SFO IAD ORD DEN EWR all the United hubs and also which is interesting, IAH to YYZ YEG YYC GDL. Shorter runs connecting through ORD and IAD. Mesa's original CRJ runs.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/regional/73969-mesa-133.html
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2014, 4:10 PM
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The feasibility of an aerotropolis development at Edmonton International Airport in Alberta, Canada will be ascertained in a viability study by March 2015. The City of Leduc and Leduc County, known as the Leduc Partnership, have issued a request for proposals (RFP) to undertake the study and develop a strategic action plan to turn the land surrounding the airport into a “central business district” for the county. This will be due in December, while the strategic action plan will be synchronized with market analysis by March 2015. - See more at:
http://www.globalairportcities.com/page....ryID=1242/listID=14#sthash.R9B7gjnM.dpuf
Nice to see that Leduc has shut out the City of Edmonton. Just get the d@mn annexation done. Seriously. Nice ploy by Leduc.
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CRJ 700s to E170s? That will be nice. Did the United CRJs suffer from periodic fuel stops on the way like Air Canada's at that length of flight?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2014, 4:37 PM
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The current route utilises 737/8/9 and 319/20's...and has solid LF's. Hopefully we see increased frequency, not the other way around.
     
     
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CRJ 700s to E170s? That will be nice. Did the United CRJs suffer from periodic fuel stops on the way like Air Canada's at that length of flight?
Which route(s) are you referring to??
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Which route(s) are you referring to??
The AC CRJ-700 from Calgary to IAH.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 4, 2014, 11:09 PM
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Nice to see that Leduc has shut out the City of Edmonton. Just get the d@mn annexation done. Seriously. Nice ploy by Leduc.
They will not be able to stop the annexation plans of Edmonton.
     
     
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They will not be able to stop the annexation plans of Edmonton.
Leduc International Airport - Has a nice ring to it
     
     
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They will not be able to stop the annexation plans of Edmonton.
I agree it's a p!ss-poor attempt to try and derail annexation: BUT IT'S OUR CBD!!!!
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