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Old Posted Jan 3, 2014, 12:39 AM
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New AA paint scheme it is. New livery beat the modified old liver by 52-48%.

Here is link to Business Week article.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/201...-with-the-old-paint-job?campaign_id=yhoo
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2014, 5:35 AM
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New AA paint scheme it is. New livery beat the modified old liver by 52-48%.
Holy shhh. I'm shocked the vote was so close.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2014, 5:25 PM
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UA 429 now routes LGA-IAH-YYC so it shows as "New York-La Guardia / Houston" on the boards and on the website. I doubt anyone is actually flying LGA-IAH-YYC.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 3, 2014, 9:03 PM
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I just returned from Europe and have a couple questions about airport operations. A few of my flights required boarding a bus to board and exit the plane. This was both at LHR and LIS, including the 767 from LHR to YYC, surprised to see this on a larger plane. The question is, do they do this because there is no room, or do airlines pay less than if they use a jetway. Also, was in Toulouse and saw 2 A380s with Airbus paint and 2 Belugas.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2014, 2:23 AM
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The question is, do they do this because there is no room, or do airlines pay less than if they use a jetway.
I'm sure Cage will have an in depth answer, but in the case of LHR, both of these are true.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 4, 2014, 5:55 PM
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I just returned from Europe and have a couple questions about airport operations. A few of my flights required boarding a bus to board and exit the plane. This was both at LHR and LIS, including the 767 from LHR to YYC, surprised to see this on a larger plane. The question is, do they do this because there is no room, or do airlines pay less than if they use a jetway. Also, was in Toulouse and saw 2 A380s with Airbus paint and 2 Belugas.
Bus boarding was popular around the world until the 70s to early 80s. YEG in 1983 had four jetways and lots of people movers (buses that rose up to aircraft doors).

From an LHR and FRA perspective, the airports do not want to build the required terminal infrastructure. Additionally there are space limitations at both airports.

From a European perspective, bussing also helped airports organize incoming and outgoing passengers with disparate customs/immigration and security screening requirements. In Canada and USA, these requirements are met with swing gates, but the number of swing gates required at the European airports is generally too great to make jetways feasible. Busing allows the airport to use a driver to get the passengers to the required terminal location.

With the popularity of 777 and larger aircraft, there is a big move away from the hardstands and busing passengers to terminal due to number of buses required for a 400+ passenger aircraft.

ETA: In FRA and LHR I have been bussed from jetways when the only available jetway was in wrong part of the terminal for our arrival formalities (arrive from domestic run put terminal is international). At FRA the bus was a primary reason why I made 25 minute connection onto AC844 from LH MAD flight. We got onto the correct bus (separate buses for arrivals at FRA, Schengen connections, international connections) and taken immediately to a available passport control room. From there it is a short walk to gate B44, our arrival gate was on the A concourse.

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Old Posted Jan 4, 2014, 8:58 PM
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Yep. I noticed a lot of buses running around at AMS and FCO when we went through there last month. FCO was the worst, it was a nearly 15 minute bus ride from where we got off the plane to the terminal and there was a fairly steady stream of buses coming into there after us (and it took 3 buses just to unload our plane). AMS fortunately we had a jetway (and on our way home, even a dual one so we were able to disembark via the rear door which sped things up nicely before having to run across the airport to catch our connection)
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Old Posted Jan 5, 2014, 11:18 PM
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Just discovered this. It isn't necessarily related to the airport as such but still related to air travel into Alberta.

http://en-corporate.canada.travel/sites/...20in%20review/2012_year-in-review_en.pdf

Page 22 lists the numbers of visits into each Canadian province from the emerging markets and the year over year change in visits. It is interesting to see how the quickly the asian market from Alberta is growing.

Chinese visits to AB in 2012:
- 67500.
- 93.4% increase over 2011 numbers (effectively doubled in 1 year)
- biggest growth of all Canadian provinces.
- Now I see the demand for direct flights.

South Korean visits AB in 2012:
- 36300
- A 19.0% increase over 2011 numbers.
- biggest growth of the major tourist provinces (AB,BC,QC,ON)

Japanese visits to AB in 2012:
- 50500
- A 3.1 increase over 2011 numbers.

I can't wait to see what the growth was like in 2013!
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2014, 1:03 AM
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- Now I see the demand for direct flights.
Demand doesn't mean the yields will be there, as Cage explained re: AC to LAS. A potential lack of front cabin demand is going to be applicable to YYC-PEK as I'm sure AC will be quick to take the 788 to a more profitable route if need be. 788's are down to 20 J seats from 24/25 on the 763... that helps us a bit I would think.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2014, 2:06 AM
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Demand doesn't mean the yields will be there, as Cage explained re: AC to LAS. A potential lack of front cabin demand is going to be applicable to YYC-PEK as I'm sure AC will be quick to take the 788 to a more profitable route if need be. 788's are down to 20 J seats from 24/25 on the 763... that helps us a bit I would think.
I probably should have worded that better. Demand volume wise is increasing, yields is another story as you stated.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2014, 2:43 PM
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Demand doesn't mean the yields will be there, as Cage explained re: AC to LAS. A potential lack of front cabin demand is going to be applicable to YYC-PEK as I'm sure AC will be quick to take the 788 to a more profitable route if need be. 788's are down to 20 J seats from 24/25 on the 763... that helps us a bit I would think.
YYC-PEK and yyc-las have different market dynamics. I am actually coming to the idea that yyc-pek has a lot of potential. Front cabin revenues have a good chance at being decent with the Chinese oil sands investment. With the 788 there is premium economy cabin to help raise yields. Super squishy class will help raise route revenue through RASM improvement.

The reduction of 4 J class seats is due to the space between doors 1 and 2, there is insufficient room for anything more than 20 seats and there is not enough room for a 1-2 row mini canon aft of door 2. Solution clearly was a premium economy cabin.

As stated in the mark 1 thread, the biggest issue with pek is available slots. The other problem is yield dilution on yvr-pek. [ETA] We have seen the effect of YYC-NRT on YVR-NRT (there is also a bigger impact on YVR-NRT caused by YYZ-NRT), that is when YYC gets a nonstop, the corresponding YVR flight takes a huge drop and usually requires an equipment downgrade. For YVR-PEK and YYC-PEK could result in 788 service from both cities. At a minimum YVR-PEK would downgrade from 77W to 789.

The Pacifici market has seen some recent yield dilution, but this is more due to the increase traffic being poured into the market. By comparison, the Transatlantic market yields improved as the traffic was swapped into the pacific.

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Atlas 744 due tonight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI2885/history/20140106/2315Z/KDOV/CYYC

BTW no Cargolux activity since Dec 24th, may be having a long Xmas/New Year break!!
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Quite amazing growth on Canada-Germany routes this year.

AC: YYC-FRA Daily 777-300ER from A330-300

LH: YVR-FRA Daily 747-400 from A340-600
LH: YVR-MUC Daily A330-300 starts early

LH: YYZ-FRA Daily 747-400 from A340-600 (in addition to AC's Double Daily 77W)
LH: YYZ-MUC New Daily A330-300 (in addition to AC's Daily 333)

LH: YUL-FRA New 5 weekly A330/A340 (in addition to AC's Daily 333)



5 weekly YYZ-DUS has been cut, but replaced by daily YYZ-MUC. The flight numbers for the new MUC flight are LH494/495, which were used on the YYC-FRA flight.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2014, 6:33 PM
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BTW no Cargolux activity since Dec 24th, may be having a long Xmas/New Year break!!
I was thinking the same thing, but also wondering if my Flightaware email alerts had been screwed up.
     
     
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Maybe horse demand drops over the holidays?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2014, 7:27 PM
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Yeah, no more horse meats in the deep freeze
Shame that LH has no plans to reinstate yyc. I guess our premium loyalties are on AC only. Maybe if the 77W cabins fill up on the front end this year, that might alert LH to give us another shot?

I also see great promise to the front end business of PEK. The Premium economy is only a few hundred more, very much affordable for many of us and worth it for a 10+hr leg.
I am looking at paying premium economy next time I fly on Transat or cook.
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Old Posted Jan 6, 2014, 10:06 PM
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Shame that LH has no plans to reinstate yyc. I guess our premium loyalties are on AC only. Maybe if the 77W cabins fill up on the front end this year, that might alert LH to give us another shot?
I'm actually glad that LH has exited the YYC market.

Even although one might consider LH service and food to be better in Business Class, AC J-pod beats the LH seat hands down. At the end of the flight majority of time is spent sleeping, so a good quality seat is of utmost importance.

When LH came to YYC, the AC flight downguage to 763 in winter. The route needs a 333 at 6pm yyc departure year round.

But finally the dream option for the route is double daily AC service. This way flight combinations and IRROPS handling are a lot smoother. The AC/LH joint venture still has snags from customer perspective (example ticket endorsement is restricted to either AC or LH, but not both).

LH best aircraft for the route all have F class, which is too rich for the YYC market. With limited possibilities for F cabin, the yields are not compensatory enough to make YYC run work for LH.

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Old Posted Jan 7, 2014, 12:04 AM
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LH: YUL-FRA New 5 weekly A330/A340 (in addition to AC's Daily 333)
AC was running a 77L YYZ-MUC for most of December as well. Back to a 333 now, but that's pretty cool.
     
     
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BTW no Cargolux activity since Dec 24th, may be having a long Xmas/New Year break!!
I've noticed this. Hopefully they haven't axed YYC in their goal to cut costs.
Also, I'm wondering if the Abex 762 was only a holiday season boost in capacity. Noticed Nolinor's BFI flight in the system
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 7, 2014, 3:11 AM
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Fear not, Cargolux back tonight coming in from SEA.

I thought the ABX 762 was sticking around, and not a seasonal thing.
     
     
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