SkyTrain Station Renovations

[officedweller]

Article on the bus loop removal at Metrotown.
City wants buses on north side of Central Blvd (and is pissed off TransLink isn't defering to the City).
TransLink user committee wants them on south side on Beresford for easier access.

Proposed Metrotown bus move spurs debate

Stefania Seccia / Burnaby Now
December 5, 2013 12:03 PM

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TransLink has proposed two options so far: one would have buses located across the street from the station, along the north side of Central Boulevard; the second option involves buses going to the south side of Central Boulevard, between the station and Beresford Street.

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However, according to the TransLink access transit users' advisory committee the south side location at Beresford Street is the right option.

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The committee is not alone in supporting the buses moving to Beresford Street.

Graeme Silvera, vice-president of retail development for the Western Region for Ivanhoe Cambridge, says he's been working with TransLink consistently over the last three months and would like to see the buses move to the south side location of Beresford, as well.

"Ultimately, in the future we'd like a solution to also route trolley buses away from that area," Silvera told the NOW. "Ultimately, that would be the preference for Ivanhoe Cambridge. It would be a future site of Metrotower IV one day."

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At the Dec. 2 meeting, Coun. Colleen Jordan brought up a letter to council from VIA Architecture, which is redesigning the Metrotown SkyTrain station. It had leaked two designs of the station that were not yet ready for the public.

Alan Hart, of VIA, wrote the apologetic letter about releasing the images of the two options on its website, which have since been taken down.

"We deeply regret that VIA's enthusiasm for assisting Burnaby and TransLink to create the long-term benefit of resolving an integrated transit exchange has inadvertently triggered this counterproductive controversy," Hart states in the letter.

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Mayor Derek Corrigan questioned the merit of the consultation process over the SkyTrain redevelopment TransLink promised, and called it frustrating.

"I think they got a pretty clear view from council that, in fact, one of the options they were proposing didn't fit well with our plans for Beresford Street and we sent them back with instructions to look at other options and ... for some reason it pops out on a website from the architecture company and gets given to an advisory group ... so they can make a decision," he said. "I'm not going to infer bad motives but I'll let others draw their own conclusions."

TransLink spokesperson Jiana Ling said it's regular protocol to show its advisory group all materials, including preliminary renderings of the different options proposed for the SkyTrain redevelopment.
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http://www.burnabynow.com/proposed-metrotown-bus-move-spurs-debate-1.724839

[AMTDGT]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Pic by me of Main Steet Station Sunday
(looks like they installed some panelling since Genauso's pic the day before):

With 4-car MKI train;


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I know the answer is somewhere in the these 50 some odd pages but..

We regularly use the Canada Line but today I used the expo for a short trip. It was a 4 car MKII train to the station under the Bay. It got me thinking.
I see from driving around that at least Main and Broadway stations, probably Metro town are being expanded. I believe with the E line they will begin running 6 car MK II trains on the E line or at least 2 pairs of 3 car sets. Clearly a 6 car MK II train will not work at waterfront, unless they extend the station or maybe close the doors of the front & back car.
Are they going to extend all the stations on the E line, including the one under the Bay....and if so whats the schedule

thx

[red-paladin]

Metrotower IV <^_^>

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by AMTDGT

I know the answer is somewhere in the these 50 some odd pages but..

We regularly use the Canada Line but today I used the expo for a short trip. It was a 4 car MKII train to the station under the Bay. It got me thinking.
I see from driving around that at least Main and Broadway stations, probably Metro town are being expanded. I believe with the E line they will begin running 6 car MK II trains on the E line or at least 2 pairs of 3 car sets. Clearly a 6 car MK II train will not work at waterfront, unless they extend the station or maybe close the doors of the front & back car.
Are they going to extend all the stations on the E line, including the one under the Bay....and if so whats the schedule

thx

The most that can be reasonably supported is a 5 car Mk II train. It would consist of a normal Mk II pair we have today, plus a new 3 car A-B-A trainset. It was determined 6 car Mk II would cost an exorbitant amount of money to retrofit.

[Mac Write]

Too bad they couldn't go A-C-C-C-C-B or A-C-C-C-B or A-C-C-B wouldn't that be the best solution and more economical to retrofit?

[WarrenC12]

I see a lot of 6 car MKI trains on the Expo Line... this is the first I'm hearing that they don't fit at waterfront.

[jlousa]

6 car MKI certainly fit at Waterfront. I've seen them there multiple times. I have noticed the system using them less lately though and going back to the 4 car MKI trainsets. Also haven't seen a 2car Mk2 trainset in a while now that I think about it.

[DKaz]

He mentioned a 6-car MKII won't fit at Waterfront, or anywhere for that matter. Most stations have an 80m platform currently, Gateway has a 90m platform. Everything can be extended, but until we've lengthened all MKIs to 6-car trains and then lengthened all MKII sets to 5-cars, I don't believe we have to go there yet.

At Main St., there will be an escalator butted against the outbound guideway in the east station house so that's unusable platform right there, they would have to expand the outbound platform under Vancity.

[Xrayal]

Originally Posted by DKaz

At Main St., there will be an escalator butted against the outbound guideway in the east station house so that's unusable platform right there.

True. But they are increasing the length of the platform. I'm not sure by how much, it just say: "New extended platform at east-side of station".Link to Translink document

Anyone know what Main st. platform will be after the upgrades?

[red-paladin]

There would be room on the Van City side, if eventually needed.

[xd_1771]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Too bad they couldn't go A-C-C-C-C-B or A-C-C-C-B or A-C-C-B wouldn't that be the best solution and more economical to retrofit?

We're getting A-C-C-B in 2016 with the new Innovia Metro 300 stock ordered to supplement Evergreen Line requirements. I would think that A-C-C-C-B will be possible for our future train configs.

[Mac Write]

But we have 108 Mark II A-B cars. We should have ordered 108 Mark II sets to replace the 114 Mark I trains. Was the figure for replacement Mark II's A-B-A-B or C-C cars?

[officedweller]

They're renovating the MKIs to save money.
The only trains with "C" cars will be new trains to allow for Evergreen Line growth
(but the new trains may not be assigned to Evergreen Line).

[Mac Write]

What's the status of the "Second order of 28-cars"? to be delivered in 2018?

[Meraki]

The incoming INNOVIA metro trains are A-C-C-B.

As far as anything's been shared, if we decide to move to the extended trains we'd have three Mk II/Mk III variants.

A-B-A-B (Current 2x 2 car Mk II layout)
A-C-C-B (Incoming 4 car INNOVIA metro Mk III trains)
A-C-B-A-B (One Mk II pair coupled with a new 3 car Mk III set)

[ryanmaccdn]

Originally Posted by Xrayal

True. But they are increasing the length of the platform. I'm not sure by how much, it just say: "New extended platform at east-side of station".Link to Translink document

Anyone know what Main st. platform will be after the upgrades?

The extended platform is to connect to the new stairs and escalator ....not per say extra room for more trains.

it's easier for marketing purposes to say " Extended Platform" when really then mean " We are extending the platform walkway to the new stairs ,ect.


There is no current standard for extending platforms.

[easy as pie]

Originally Posted by officedweller

They're renovating the MKIs to save money.
The only trains with "C" cars will be new trains to allow for Evergreen Line growth
(but the new trains may not be assigned to Evergreen Line).

i really like the idea that multiple generations of cars will run on the system, it's a small delight but a tangible one, switching up the cars in which you ride.

[MIPS]

That just shows the technology is so well refined that it did not require any standard-breaking changes between generations. UTDC really worked hard to knit out ANY problems. The misfortune of the SRT could be swept under the rug but if their technology failed at a worlds fair and on their biggest contract, they would be screwed.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by Meraki

The incoming INNOVIA metro trains are A-C-C-B.

As far as anything's been shared, if we decide to move to the extended trains we'd have three Mk II/Mk III variants.

A-B-A-B (Current 2x 2 car Mk II layout)
A-C-C-B (Incoming 4 car INNOVIA metro Mk III trains)
A-C-B-A-B (One Mk II pair coupled with a new 3 car Mk III set)

Sorry but I don't exactly follow.
Any pics, I don't understand exactly how that would work?

[Meraki]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

Sorry but I don't exactly follow.
Any pics, I don't understand exactly how that would work?

Here you go, I quickly whipped this up.

The three configurations I mentioned above, in order.

http://i.imgur.com/CHHwaEx.png