SkyTrain Station Renovations - Page 51

vanman · #**1001** Posted **Dec 6, 2013, 5:39 AM**

Broadway-Commercial reno from curbed:
http://m.vancouver.curbed.com/archives/2...roadway-station-getting-50m-facelife.php

Genauso · #**1002** Posted **Dec 7, 2013, 7:38 PM**

source: self

casper · #**1003** Posted **Dec 7, 2013, 7:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by vanman

Broadway-Commercial reno from curbed:
http://m.vancouver.curbed.com/archives/2...roadway-station-getting-50m-facelife.php

Looking at the side cutaway rendering for the Grandview-cut it almost looks like there is a basement level under the current platform that is inline with the BNSF/CN railline. Could that be a future platform or is that fill?

MIPS · #**1004** Posted **Dec 7, 2013, 9:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Looking at the side cutaway rendering for the Grandview-cut it almost looks like there is a basement level under the current platform that is inline with the BNSF/CN railline. Could that be a future platform or is that fill?

There's offices and a rectifier station under the platform. They are usually accessed using the elevator and a key.

WBC · #**1005** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 3:17 AM**

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The more look at this the less I like it...

1) We continue to isolate the station from the rest of Metrotown instead of integrating it with the neighborhood. If the buses go to the south side of the line that will be very ugly and noisy for the new neighborhood being formed along the Beresford street (sort of like concrete desolation north of Joice station, but much longer and bigger). All those parked buses will be cutting the station away from the south. On the north side they will be marginalizing the pedestrian overpass by making people go up and down the stairs with what looks like no weather protection (yes I know, we like to pretend we live in California). I would like to see more and better integration with the mall to the north (doubling of overpasses) and smoother integration with the south.

2) That station is incredibly valuable piece of real estate. Instead of making it stand out like sore thumb in the void between the mall and the south side of Metrotown, why not sell/lease air space above the track and let somebody build a commercial building on the top of it and then integrate the building with the mall? Sort of like what has been done in New West and sort of what happens everywhere else in the world (Japan, Hong Kong, etc). They could do the same with almost every station on the old Expo line...

3) The way I understand this, some buses (trolleys) will still be using Metrotown mall station. So now we will have a split bus station for years if not decades to come? How is that an improvement?

4) Why are all our sky train stations extremely poorly integrated with their surrounding? Typically in Tokyo every station has at the minimum 6-8 exits that allow you to connect to various points in the neighborhood sometimes hundreds of meters away. Instead we love to build these glass elephants that sit in the middle of nothing, offer no weather protection, and at best marginal retail integration. I know we are much smaller city than Tokyo or Hong Kong, but still...How about integrating Burrard station with east side of Burrard street, Metrotown with Station Square, Stadium station with guess what - Rogers arena to start with...

MIPS · #**1006** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 3:52 AM**

I don't know if it's the city, TransLink or the provincial suits who are paranoid about building under, over or around the station. Just look at the VanCity building. Not one part of the station touches the building and no attempt was made to integrate it into the lobby. So far only New West has actually integrated their stations with anything.

Meraki · #**1007** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 4:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by WBC

4) Why are all our sky train stations extremely poorly integrated with their surrounding? Typically in Tokyo every station has at the minimum 6-8 exits that allow you to connect to various points in the neighborhood sometimes hundreds of meters away. Instead we love to build these glass elephants that sit in the middle of nothing, offer no weather protection, and at best marginal retail integration. I know we are much smaller city than Tokyo or Hong Kong, but still...How about integrating Burrard station with east side of Burrard street, Metrotown with Station Square, Stadium station with guess what - Rogers arena to start with...

For a large part of the Expo line the SkyTrain came first, the development second. It was whoever developed property around it that didn't integrate.

The Expo line was a bunch of stations surrounded by emptiness. Metrotown station was nothing but a bus loop when the station was built. Rogers Arena (then GM place) wasn't built until 1995, 10 years after Stadium station. Burrard Station does have entrances into the Bentall centre it's next to so I'm not sure what you mean about that.

Integration was made where there were buildings at the time, such as Waterfront, Burrard and Granville.

rsxstock · #**1008** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 5:18 AM**

i agree and i think integration should be part of the renovation plans. it also makes sense to have lots of covered area with all the rain here

trofirhen · #**1009** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 5:33 AM**

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Originally Posted by Meraki

For a large part of the Expo line the SkyTrain came first, the development second. It was whoever developed property around it that didn't integrate.

The Expo line was a bunch of stations surrounded by emptiness. Metrotown station was nothing but a bus loop when the station was built. Rogers Arena (then GM place) wasn't built until 1995, 10 years after Stadium station. Burrard Station does have entrances into the Bentall centre it's next to so I'm not sure what you mean about that.

Integration was made where there were buildings at the time, such as Waterfront, Burrard and Granville.

I didn't know Skytrain had a stop in Frostbite Falls. Where precisely is that, anyway? When was it taken?

WBC · #**1010** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 5:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by Meraki

For a large part of the Expo line the SkyTrain came first, the development second. It was whoever developed property around it that didn't integrate.

The Expo line was a bunch of stations surrounded by emptiness. Metrotown station was nothing but a bus loop when the station was built. Rogers Arena (then GM place) wasn't built until 1995, 10 years after Stadium station. Burrard Station does have entrances into the Bentall centre it's next to so I'm not sure what you mean about that.

Integration was made where there were buildings at the time, such as Waterfront, Burrard and Granville.

I understand that SkyTrain came first in may areas, but it has been almost 30 years. In the case of Metrotown, it appears that we are in fact removing existing integration rather then enhancing at.

As for Burrard, I am referring to the fact that Burrard station does not have underground access from the east side of Burrard street where a number of large office buildings reside. In fact, 666 Burrard building has an underground retail in its base (two levels, if I am not mistaken), but no connection to the station. I think there is some sort of plan to build this connection, but when?

dpogue · #**1011** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 5:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I didn't know Skytrain had a stop in Frostbite Falls. Where precisely is that, anyway? When was it taken?

That's Metrotown Station, circa 1986. (source)

Phalonx · #**1012** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 5:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

I didn't know Skytrain had a stop in Frostbite Falls. Where precisely is that, anyway? When was it taken?

That is Metrotown station, in 1986

Edit: Derp ninja'd... Never mind...

trofirhen · #**1013** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 6:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by dpogue

That's Metrotown Station, circa 1986. (source)

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Originally Posted by Phalonx

That is Metrotown station, in 1986

Edit: Derp ninja'd... Never mind...

Like, uh, wheeeew ...

rxp · #**1014** Posted **Dec 8, 2013, 3:08 PM**

I agree with the integration... it is common in London, paris etc as well.

One example is Canary Wharf Station in London... it is in the heart of the banking capital and, yet it has direct links to several adjoining buildings... heck even Westminster Station has a direct link to the UK Parl...

Only thing we have is Waterfront... It is linked with Sinclair centre, Waterfront centre and Canada Place... more can be done with this, esp with Evergreen Line and Canada line...

MIPS · #**1015** Posted **Dec 9, 2013, 2:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by WBC

As for Burrard, I am referring to the fact that Burrard station does not have underground access from the east side of Burrard street where a number of large office buildings reside. In fact, 666 Burrard building has an underground retail in its base (two levels, if I am not mistaken), but no connection to the station. I think there is some sort of plan to build this connection, but when?

In the initial planning stage a path under the road was proposed to Park Place but was never dug.

Image courtesy of Illustrated Vancouver

On the other hand, Stadium DOES have a path under Beatty Street. The proposal was for the west entrance to be incorporated into the lobby of a new building however that never happened so they filled and covered over the entrance with sand and expanded the Lost and Found into the tunnel.

Image courtesy of MIPS

deasine · #**1016** Posted **Dec 9, 2013, 9:01 AM**

I didn't know about Stadium; thanks for that!

hollywoodnorth · #**1017** Posted **Dec 9, 2013, 10:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

I didn't know about Stadium; thanks for that!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium%E2%80%93Chinatown_Station

The station was originally constructed with a passageway under Beatty Street to the west in anticipation of future development. When the Amec Building built across Beatty Street did not link to the underground passage, the passage was closed and is currently occupied by the Lost Property Office. The staircase on the west side of Beatty was filled with sand and topped with a concrete sidewalk, so that the passage could be reopened in the future.

Until 1988, the Expo Boulevard/Abbott Street entrance was originally just an open-stair emergency exit. However, with the closing of the entrance tunnel under Beatty Street as well as poor accessibility to Stadium Station from False Creek, the emergency exit was redesigned and enclosed, opening up in 1989 as the second point of entrance/exit point to and from the station.

officedweller · #**1018** Posted **Dec 9, 2013, 11:23 PM**

Pic by me of Main Steet Station Sunday
(looks like they installed some panelling since Genauso's pic the day before):

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With 4-car MKI train;

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officedweller · #**1019** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 12:12 AM**

BIV article relevant to the integration discussion:

http://www.biv.com/article/20131209/BIV0...vative-ways-to-generate-non-fare-revenue

Prometheus · #**1020** Posted **Dec 10, 2013, 1:28 AM**

Thanks for the update.