Canada's 50 Tallest Proposals

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by uzi

this means that these towers will not go up and something much uglier than this will go up and f**k the city council, f**k those a**holes. fire all of them hire new people. they got no brains. fa*****.

Approving these towers and they will be built exactly as proposed but by rejecting them will lead to three more King Blue towers is too common a misconception on these forums. We should know better that there are no guarantees on the design.

I spefically brought up King Blue. A Mirvish partnership proposed the L'Avenue tower and later the KPMB stacked boxes. He sold the site to the Easton Group after rezoning. Look at what we are getting now.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by caltrane74

GTA is 6.2 million without Hamilton. with Hamilton it goes over 7 million.

Okay, so the numer I checked it against was a little old, but the GTHA is definitely not over 7 million (the GTA at 6.2 puts the GTHA at 6.7 or so since the GTA is already stealing .2 from the H). Still that was also one of the lower London estimates I've seen based off of the more messy nature of determining old world urban areas.

[caltrane74]

Canadian CMAs by Population (2012 est)

1- Toronto....................5,941,500
9- Hamilton.....................756,600
14- Oshawa....................375,600

GTHA - 7,073,700 based on the 2012 Statscan Estimates

10- Kitchener Waterloo.....505,100
13- St Catherines............405,800
21- Barrie.......................196,000
29- Guelph.......................142,900

Add in the Rumpsters : 8,323,500

[osmo]

Typical passive - aggressive Toronto. With the deflection to some "super committee" , council shows it dosn't have the stones to take on two Toronto icons like this.

[caltrane74]

One Yonge Development Report includes some fancy skyline renders which include all nearby developments

[FrankieFlowerpot]

The 65 floor Daniels building isn't there - but it looks like garbage anyway

[J.OT13]

Is there a reason why no one has ever built anything that surpassed the First Canadian Place in height? I think the Trump building was suppose to do just that until they scaled it back a bit.

[urbandreamer]

^Ha. Who's it by?

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Giannone Petricone is doing the larger 2 towers at the north end of the site. Raw are designing 2 midrises on the same site.

This is the Guvernment site we're talking about

[urbandreamer]

Oh yeah I think I'd heard that. GP does some decent modernist stuff and RAW is really gettting their groove on with the midrises. So I've got hope still.

[koops65]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Moscow: 15,788,000 (and flush with new oil money)
Paris: 10,869,000 (and pretty thoroughly built out, now they're needing to build up)
London: 9,576,000 (see Paris, and add more money)
Toronto: 6,184,000 (least dense city on this list, also 90% that number includes at least Hamilton which really shouldn't be counted for these purposes)

So you expect Toronto to compete with cities 2-3 times it's size, which have more money and more need for highrises and are national capitals? Toronto is not declining, the rest of the world is just rising and that's a good thing.

Toronto might not have buildings as tall as Moscow or London, but it certainly has far more tall towers than either city. If the cut-off point is set to 150 metres (Built and U/C), Toronto has 55, Moscow has 34, London has 21, and Paris has 16. This shows Toronto having a far more dense core of tall towers, and eventually a few supertalls will rise out of it. I'm not even sure why Paris would have been mentioned, with its grand total of 2 towers over 200 metres...

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Oh yeah I think I'd heard that. GP does some decent modernist stuff and RAW is really gettting their groove on with the midrises. So I've got hope still.

I do like the mid-rise portion of the development I must say

[Innsertnamehere]

oh come on stop teasing us like that!

[FrankieFlowerpot]

Not worth losing my job over I'm afraid - it'll come out eventually

[DrNest]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Moscow: 15,788,000 (and flush with new oil money)
Paris: 10,869,000 (and pretty thoroughly built out, now they're needing to build up)
London: 9,576,000 (see Paris, and add more money)
Toronto: 6,184,000 (least dense city on this list, also 90% that number includes at least Hamilton which really shouldn't be counted for these purposes)

So you expect Toronto to compete with cities 2-3 times it's size, which have more money and more need for highrises and are national capitals? Toronto is not declining, the rest of the world is just rising and that's a good thing.

Although not the nation's capital, Toronto is the financial capital of Canada.
Additionally, as a percentage of the country's total population, more people live in the GTA than in London. From what I recall the figure is about 16% for the GTA compared to 12% for London. Not a huge difference, but one that puts them on a par.
I agree that there is more money in the likes of London and Paris, but I wouldn't say that was grounds for Toronto not needing to build higher.

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by FrankieFlowerpot

Not worth losing my job over I'm afraid - it'll come out eventually

At least fire off a hint. Is it good news, or the usual?

[DrNest]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Is there a reason why no one has ever built anything that surpassed the First Canadian Place in height? I think the Trump building was suppose to do just that until they scaled it back a bit.

I haven't been able to find the link, but I do recall reading years ago that when ScotiaPlaza was being designed, one of the plans was for something taller than FCP, but in the end they went with looks and design more than height.
I will have to try and find where I read this, I believe it was in some tourist book I bought years ago that is probably in storage in my parents' attic...

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by DrNest

I haven't been able to find the link, but I do recall reading years ago that when ScotiaPlaza was being designed, one of the plans was for something taller than FCP, but in the end they went with looks and design more than height.
I will have to try and find where I read this, I believe it was in some tourist book I bought years ago that is probably in storage in my parents' attic...

Hmm, interesting, I've never heard that. Perhaps there's a render of it?

[Gresto]

Originally Posted by The_Architect

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If you could see this city approving and building any of these then we see this city very, very differently.

So far the only skyscraper in this recent boom that would even get a second glance outside of Toronto is the L Tower, and even that was significantly cheapened from its original design.

I admit my tastes in modern skyscraper architecture are quite conservative, but I'm glad none of that junk was built in Toronto, save for the Moscow cluster. That twirly ice-cream-cone-shaped thing in London is an atrocity, imo.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Is there a reason why no one has ever built anything that surpassed the First Canadian Place in height? I think the Trump building was suppose to do just that until they scaled it back a bit.

Recent times, market conditions aren't there to support a new commercial tower of this size but, also shadowing guidlines and a built out core severely limit the redevelopment opportunities available. Before that, rumour has it FCP was zoned to be the tallest in the city.