YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 273

Johnny Aussie · #**5441** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 9:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

In case this hasn't been posted yet:

http://www.biv.com/article/20131210/BIV0...ase-summer-traffic-between-vancouver-and

The 5th weekly flight's schedule is definitely interesting.

VS095 arrives in YVR Sundays at 15:45 and then departs as VS096 at 00:25 that night (Monday morning).

rxp · #**5442** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 10:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The 5th weekly flight's schedule is definitely interesting.

VS095 arrives in YVR Sundays at 15:45 and then departs as VS096 at 00:25 that night (Monday morning).

What time does it land at lHR? could it be for travellers who need to be in Lon early Monday morning?

connect2source · #**5443** Posted **Dec 11, 2013, 10:49 PM**

Looks like YVR will be seeing a lot of 737MAX's from both AC and WS in the future as AC has chosen Boeing over Airbus for their Airbus A320 A319 and A321 replacements. The CSeries may still be a contender to replace some of the E190's.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...-new-planes-from-boeing/article15884760/

YVR Bruce · #**5444** Posted **Dec 12, 2013, 4:20 PM**

'Looks like those who were sorry to see the A346 replaced by B744 get a brief reprise: The Airbus comes back for most of March, then back to the slightly bigger a/c March 30

Hot Rod · #**5445** Posted **Dec 14, 2013, 4:06 AM**

I don't know if this was reported, but United will end its long standing SEA-NRT service in Jan http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/brea...-tokyo-narita-service-from-mid-jan-2014/ .

That will leave Delta (former Northwest) SEA-NRT and the new All Nippon SEA-HND for the Tokyo market. Delta also dropped the SEA-KIX route it tried for 2013.

YVR has JAL and A/C to NRT and soon All Nippon to HND.

Denscity · #**5446** Posted **Dec 14, 2013, 6:14 AM**

Yes!!

mezzanine · #**5447** Posted **Dec 14, 2013, 6:23 AM**

Surprised this wasn't posted, but the YVR tankfarm and richmond pipeline was approved by the ministry of the environment, after much back-and-forth.

YVR jet fuel plan given environmental approval

IMO this is a big advancement for the airport. they can now seek fuel from different sources other than cherry point or chevron, building on YVR's competitiveness, while bringing more efficiency to the transport and storage of jet fuel.

Johnny Aussie · #**5448** Posted **Dec 14, 2013, 6:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hot Rod

I don't know if this was reported, but United will end its long standing SEA-NRT service in Jan http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/brea...-tokyo-narita-service-from-mid-jan-2014/ .

That will leave Delta (former Northwest) SEA-NRT and the new All Nippon SEA-HND for the Tokyo market. Delta also dropped the SEA-KIX route it tried for 2013.

YVR has JAL and A/C to NRT and soon All Nippon to HND.

Almost right.

SEA will have SEA-NRT on DL and NH and SEA-HND on DL
YVR will have YVR-NRT on AC and JL and YVR-HND on NH

But you are right SEA-KIX on DL was recently chopped and SEA-NRT on UA about to go.

Johnny Aussie · #**5449** Posted **Dec 14, 2013, 6:42 PM**

Another expected announcement.

China Southern to commence daily 787 from 10 Feb. This replaces the current daily 772.

Right now this is scheduled to the end of March only.

This is also China Southerns first trans pacific 787 flight.

But there you have it YVR... regularly scheduled Dreamliner flights. :-)

This also introduces first class on this route.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/14/cz-yvr-feb14/

I wouldn't be surprised if you see a another frequency increase in the not too distant future.

excel · #**5450** Posted **Dec 14, 2013, 10:19 PM**

New additions so far this winter/spring:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IomjTGVJUkU/Ua...3UBTExv-M/s1600/china_southern_787_3.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2568/3845500552_e229de6798_o.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vxibCbWCZqk/T8...8/vLGJo_C42lc/s1600/ANA+%5BJA622A%5D.JPG

trofirhen · #**5451** Posted **Dec 15, 2013, 3:58 AM**

Exciting stuff!
Thanks for the photos.
(I wish Turkish Airlines were among some newcomers.....)

twoNeurons · #**5452** Posted **Dec 15, 2013, 6:01 PM**

Now that DL dropped SEA-KIX I'm starting to wonder why KIX is so hard to fly to. Not enough O/D? Greater Osaka has 17 million people, an economy bigger than Hong Kong (apparently), a large ex-pat population and popular tourist places like Nara, Kyoto and Kobe within its catchment.

I just don't get why there aren't more flights to KIX. They dropped landing fees lower than Tokyo and the airport's a work of art.

The only thing that I can think of is that Tokyo is like Japan's London. A huge airport that is overserved because ultimately, the government wants it to be contintental hub and a huge number of travellers are in transit...

Any thoughts?

rsxstock · #**5453** Posted **Dec 15, 2013, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Now that DL dropped SEA-KIX I'm starting to wonder why KIX is so hard to fly to. Not enough O/D? Greater Osaka has 17 million people, an economy bigger than Hong Kong (apparently), a large ex-pat population and popular tourist places like Nara, Kyoto and Kobe within its catchment.

I just don't get why there aren't more flights to KIX. They dropped landing fees lower than Tokyo and the airport's a work of art.

The only thing that I can think of is that Tokyo is like Japan's London. A huge airport that is overserved because ultimately, the government wants it to be contintental hub and a huge number of travellers are in transit...

Any thoughts?

in terms of tourist destinations, when you think of japan, you think of tokyo. when you think of US, you think of vegas and new york. so maybe there is only demand for business and family

casper · #**5454** Posted **Dec 15, 2013, 7:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Now that DL dropped SEA-KIX I'm starting to wonder why KIX is so hard to fly to. Not enough O/D? Greater Osaka has 17 million people, an economy bigger than Hong Kong (apparently), a large ex-pat population and popular tourist places like Nara, Kyoto and Kobe within its catchment.

I just don't get why there aren't more flights to KIX. They dropped landing fees lower than Tokyo and the airport's a work of art.

The only thing that I can think of is that Tokyo is like Japan's London. A huge airport that is overserved because ultimately, the government wants it to be contintental hub and a huge number of travellers are in transit...

Any thoughts?

Narita is a major transit hub to the rest of Asia.

You don't think of KIX. I have not been in Japan for several years. Last time was three years ago, i was heading to Kobe (for business). I just booked a flight into Narita and then onto the train systems. I suspect many others are the same way.

Cage · #**5455** Posted **Dec 16, 2013, 8:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Now that DL dropped SEA-KIX I'm starting to wonder why KIX is so hard to fly to. ....

Any thoughts?

Osaka has the same problem as Montreal in the 70-90s. Think of it this way KIX=YMX and ITA=YUL. Hard for local Japan traffic to hub at KIX due to small domestic operations.

Second big problem is that Japanese are introverted with a strong preference to stay on their own airlines, JAL and ANA. Both the major airlines had hub in Tokyo so no need for major connection hub at KIX. Consequently KIX was primarily a foreign airline airport.

Back when KIX was conceived, airlines had to use Japan as connection point for all of Asia. Today with the long range aircraft can overfly Japan. Combined with Chinese/Japanese neighbour relations considered poor at best, an most Chinese connection pax would prefer to pay for nonstop to NA.

Finally Japan economy has been in perpetual slump/recession since mid 90s.

Gordon · #**5456** Posted **Dec 16, 2013, 9:55 PM**

West Jet seems to be using Gate B21 for Encore Flights instead of all of the gates the recently for Encore. I wonder why?

trofirhen · #**5457** Posted **Dec 16, 2013, 11:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Cage

Osaka has the same problem as Montreal in the 70-90s. Think of it this way KIX=YMX and ITA=YUL. Hard for local Japan traffic to hub at KIX due to small domestic operations.

Second big problem is that Japanese are introverted with a strong preference to stay on their own airlines, JAL and ANA. Both the major airlines had hub in Tokyo so no need for major connection hub at KIX. Consequently KIX was primarily a foreign airline airport.

Back when KIX was conceived, airlines had to use Japan as connection point for all of Asia. Today with the long range aircraft can overfly Japan. Combined with Chinese/Japanese neighbour relations considered poor at best, an most Chinese connection pax would prefer to pay for nonstop to NA.

Finally Japan economy has been in perpetual slump/recession since mid 90s.

This being the case, doesn't KIX face an uncertain as a viable airport on the scale it is now? As a city of 18m, it surely has its slice of the domestic market, but is that enough? If it is eclipsed by both Toko airports a connection hub, what is its future?
It seems KIX has to somehow fill a "role." What could that role be? If not, doesn't KIX risk stagnating, even losing airlines, pax and profit?

twoNeurons · #**5458** Posted **Dec 16, 2013, 11:36 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cage

Osaka has the same problem as Montreal in the 70-90s. Think of it this way KIX=YMX and ITA=YUL. Hard for local Japan traffic to hub at KIX due to small domestic operations.

Second big problem is that Japanese are introverted with a strong preference to stay on their own airlines, JAL and ANA. Both the major airlines had hub in Tokyo so no need for major connection hub at KIX. Consequently KIX was primarily a foreign airline airport.

Back when KIX was conceived, airlines had to use Japan as connection point for all of Asia. Today with the long range aircraft can overfly Japan. Combined with Chinese/Japanese neighbour relations considered poor at best, an most Chinese connection pax would prefer to pay for nonstop to NA.

Finally Japan economy has been in perpetual slump/recession since mid 90s.

Interesting comparison to Montreal. I hadn't thought of it like that. Though, in Montreal's case... they even have the cultural advantage of being North America's French link.

True, Itami (Osaka International) is a MUCH more convenient airport for most of the Area, being smack dab in the middle of Osaka, Kobe and Kyoto... pity there was never any room for expansion.

Interestingly, KIX seems to have more connections to China than Narita or Haneda.

However, one thing that I don't understand is that in the meantime, ICN ended up taking a lot of the through traffic to Asia. ICN isn't exactly conveniently located for most of Seoul. How did ICN attract the base? Low landing fees?

In some ways, I see a parallel between YVR, YYZ and LAX/SFO. YVR is a secondary airport, KIX... YYZ is like Tokyo and Seoul is the mega hub of SFO/LAX. OF course, the difference being that we can't jump on a train and be in ANY major city in less than 3 hours.

twoNeurons · #**5459** Posted **Dec 16, 2013, 11:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

This being the case, doesn't KIX face an uncertain as a viable airport on the scale it is now? As a city of 18m, it surely has its slice of the domestic market, but is that enough? If it is eclipsed by both Toko airports a connection hub, what is its future?
It seems KIX has to somehow fill a "role." What could that role be? If not, doesn't KIX risk stagnating, even losing airlines, pax and profit?

KIX seems to be positioning itself as the LCC (Low-cost-Carrier) of choice.

Lots of routes to China: http://info.flightmapper.net/airport/KIX

trofirhen · #**5460** Posted **Dec 17, 2013, 3:08 PM**

Interesting how different airports adapt themselves to different "roles."

I just hope the "role" for YVR as a "transit hub" Asia >< South America becomes a reality. A lot of people either scorn this, or doubt its viability at all, but it would certainly put YVR a solid notch above being a regional focus city (and partial hub for East Asia) as it is now.