Atlanta Project Thread IV

[smArTaLlone]

I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed by the thought of two five-story "stick-frame" buildings on that site. Its not the height that bothers me, but it just seems like a bit of a waste for such a prime location. I think something similar in scale to the Seventh condo proposal up to around 15-stories (two towers) with street level retail would be ideal for the location. At 5 stories, it better be stunning.

I'm curious to find out who is the developer.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

Additional note: to see what was planned, visit http://www.ompatlanta.com/

Off the topic of density, but why did the former proposal get architectual praise? Baically it was a develooment with 2 glass boxes. Novare's generic designs envoke greater architectual detail than One Museum Place's design.

[Tuckerman]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Off the topic of density, but why did the former proposal get architectual praise? Baically it was a develooment with 2 glass boxes. Novare's generic designs envoke greater architectual detail than One Museum Place's design.

I agree, the original design was no architectural gem - however the overall concept of the development was very good. Perhaps the final design would have been better - but we'll never know. What would be great to see is a development that embraces that broader concept with a stunning piece of architecture to match the Meiers gem across the street.

[sunking1056]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Off the topic of density, but why did the former proposal get architectual praise? Baically it was a develooment with 2 glass boxes. Novare's generic designs envoke greater architectual detail than One Museum Place's design.

Sure, the design is simple but you have to think about things like massing, details and quality of materials (which likely would have been high with a project like that).

[cokezero]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed by the thought of two five-story "stick-frame" buildings on that site. Its not the height that bothers me, but it just seems like a bit of a waste for such a prime location. I think something similar in scale to the Seventh condo proposal up to around 15-stories (two towers) with street level retail would be ideal for the location. At 5 stories, it better be stunning.

I'm curious to find out who is the developer.

The site is owned by an entity controlled by John Wieland (the individual). The property was sold by John Wieland Homes & Neighborhoods to the separate entity controlled by John Wieland in 2012. This was just before John Wieland sold John Wieland Homes & Neighborhoods to a private equity group (Wheelock Street Capital) in order to stave off bankruptcy. I would venture to make two guesses - the developer will still be John Wieland (the individual) and there will still be a public art gallery component. John Wieland sold his company just a little over a year ago to the private equity group and had remained with the company bearing his name for the last year in an advisory role. He has since left the company to form a new homebuilding and development venture, Chattahoochee Enterprises. Wouldn't it make perfect sense for the first development by his new firm to be on the high profile site he owns across the street from the High Museum? If he still owns his massive personal art collection and he still owns the site where he planned the art gallery, wouldn't you think he would still plan to build the art gallery?

[SwimAtl]

Originally Posted by sunking1056

Sure, the design is simple but you have to think about things like massing, details and quality of materials (which likely would have been high with a project like that).

I agree. And the clean modern lines would look great across from the High. All of the work I've seen online by the architect (David Chipperfield) is very graceful, interesting and beautiful. I think it would have been an outstanding addition to that part of Peachtree.

[bryantm3]

it certainly doesn't look fantastic, but this john weiland thing sounds like a waste of space. is it at least going to include retail?

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by cokezero

The site is owned by an entity controlled by John Wieland (the individual). The property was sold by John Wieland Homes & Neighborhoods to the separate entity controlled by John Wieland in 2012. This was just before John Wieland sold John Wieland Homes & Neighborhoods to a private equity group (Wheelock Street Capital) in order to stave off bankruptcy. I would venture to make two guesses - the developer will still be John Wieland (the individual) and there will still be a public art gallery component. John Wieland sold his company just a little over a year ago to the private equity group and had remained with the company bearing his name for the last year in an advisory role. He has since left the company to form a new homebuilding and development venture, Chattahoochee Enterprises. Wouldn't it make perfect sense for the first development by his new firm to be on the high profile site he owns across the street from the High Museum? If he still owns his massive personal art collection and he still owns the site where he planned the art gallery, wouldn't you think he would still plan to build the art gallery?

Thanks.

I didn't notice that Weiland was listed as one of the applicants on the DRC agenda. With Wieland still doing the development, I'm sure he has something architecturally appropriate in mind for the location. If it still includes the art gallery that would be a HUGE plus.

[Tuckerman]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Thanks.

I didn't notice that Weiland was listed as one of the applicants on the DRC agenda. With Wieland still doing the development, I'm sure he has something architecturally appropriate in mind for the location. If it still includes the art gallery that would be a HUGE plus.

Agreed, w/o the art gallery this is a big disappointment. Wieland has a tremendous collection of construction and architectural art that now just sits in a well maintained warehouse in the Westside warehouse area. This collection alone could fill first floor of the High museum.

[cokezero]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Thanks.

I didn't notice that Weiland was listed as one of the applicants on the DRC agenda. With Wieland still doing the development, I'm sure he has something architecturally appropriate in mind for the location. If it still includes the art gallery that would be a HUGE plus.

I'm not certain that Wieland is the developer - sorry to confuse. I was just predicting that he will be since he still personally owns the site and since he recently started a new development company. The man is something like 80 years old. You'd think he would've just retired when he sold the company bearing his name.

[L.ARCH]

Any news on this one? I havent heard much from any of my sources... Did anyone go to the DRC presentation last night?

[smArTaLlone]

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/...e-near-edgewood-retail-district.php#more

A developer hopes to build a 275-unit apartment complex with retail across the street from the Edgewood Retail District. Curbed has learned that developer Greystar is seeking zoning changes to 20 individual parcels in Reynoldstown, just south of Little Five Points. Mostly along Moreland Avenue but wrapping around to front parts of Wade Street, Brantley Street and Seaboard Avenue, the project would run parallel to much of the aforementioned Edgewood Retail District (at least from Barnes & Noble to the Kroger parking lot). The mixed-use rezoning requests filed on behalf of Greystar mention plans for 275 residential units and 30,390 square feet of commercial space.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed by the thought of two five-story "stick-frame" buildings on that site. Its not the height that bothers me, but it just seems like a bit of a waste for such a prime location. I think something similar in scale to the Seventh condo proposal up to around 15-stories (two towers) with street level retail would be ideal for the location. At 5 stories, it better be stunning.

I'm curious to find out who is the developer.

I still think it sounds like an excellent project. Condos starting at $700K are bound to be pretty nice.

One Museum Place was originally envisioned as a 23-story, $325 million luxury condo tower with 96 units that started at $2 million. But, that was near the height of the intown condo boom.

Today, Wieland is proposing a five-story building with 48 units, ranging from $700,000 to $2.5 million.

More....Wieland revives High Museum condo project

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I still think it sounds like an excellent project. Condos starting at $700K are bound to be pretty nice.

Here is an early rendering of the project. The article does not mention a potential art gallery space in the project as I had hoped. It does mention that Amli had the site under contract with plans to build a 320-unit apartment tower, but Wieland decided not to let the property go because he wanted to make sure something "nice" was built across from the High. Wieland says he already has some reservations for the condos and hopes to break ground in April.

[pawelra]

Originally Posted by arjay57

I still think it sounds like an excellent project. Condos starting at $700K are bound to be pretty nice.

After everything what was proposed for this site before it's a huge step back.
They are wasting great location, I hope it's not gonna get built.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

Here is an early rendering of the project. The article does not mention a potential art gallery space in the project as I had hoped. It does mention that Amli had the site under contract with plans to build a 320-unit apartment tower, but Wieland decided not to let the property go because he wanted to make sure something "nice" was built across from the High. Wieland says he already has some reservations for the condos and hopes to break ground in April.

I have to admit that rendering is pretty awful.

But if they do something with presence and great exterior and interior finishes it could really be cool. I've seen some very elegant, urban midrise condos in other cities, so why not us?

Wieland has donated so much to the arts center it's hard to argue with him doing what he wants on the property. And of course it could be redeveloped later.

[ATLSkyPalaceOwner]

It looks like there's some early signs of activity on 33 Peachtree Pl. I saw this sign walking out of the MARTA today.

[smArTaLlone]

Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

It looks like there's some early signs of activity on 33 Peachtree Pl. I saw this sign walking out of the MARTA today.

This was expected to be the next project out of the ground. Looks like its on schedule for a spring groundbreaking.

[echinatl]

Looks like they've town down the Mexican restaurants exterior seating area at the CNN center and are replacing it with something bigger (and hopefully better). This was the spot 5 guys was going to occupy but I read they backed out. I'm not sure if something else is taking their place, but it's the only restaurant space that has outside access.

[trainiac]

Originally Posted by echinatl

Looks like they've town down the Mexican restaurants exterior seating area at the CNN center and are replacing it with something bigger (and hopefully better). This was the spot 5 guys was going to occupy but I read they backed out. I'm not sure if something else is taking their place, but it's the only restaurant space that has outside access.

Hopefully it'll be something good (I still miss Reggie's!) Dantanna's and Taco Mac also have patio's with outside entrances