YEG - Edmonton Int Airport

[thefew32]

The Watson article was so eloquent I hope it galvanizes the community to stand up to Air Canada. The next few months sound like they're going to be interesting for the airport.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by cyeg66

To be clear, these are most certainly not "net" increases, with 73G's being substituted by 2 Encore flights. A couple months back, Johnny Aussie summarized the totals quite concisely. It's a bump in seats, yes, but not as dramatic as you suggest, I think.

Correct. YEG does see a slight overall bump. 3 routes seeing increases and 2 seeing decreases so overall a small increase. The comparison was being made to YYC and YVR seeing new routes and increases overall (ie the Encore increases at those bases are not at the expense of mainline). YEG will see about 6 fewer mainline flights per day whereas YVR and YYC about one less only. However, yes overall YEG does see about 7 - 8 additional flights per day due to a lot of increased Encore flying on existing routes. On a capacity and frequencies basis YYC continues to "widen the gap" with YVR and YVR with YEG. Most notable is YEG not seeing any additional Westjet frequencies transborder or sun destinations this winter.

[thegx]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

The comparison was being made to YYC and YVR seeing new routes and increases overall (ie the Encore increases at those bases are not at the expense of mainline).

Most notable is YEG not seeing any additional Westjet frequencies transborder or sun destinations this winter.

YVR did lose other mainline service this winter (ie Montreal and Ottawa both dropped).

[TimB09]

Sat down this weekend with a family friend and her and her husband will be flying with Icelandair to England. They were pretty pumped about being able to have that stop-over in Iceland before they continued on.

[YegFan]

I have just priced a trip YEG-BCN and the return CDG-YEG with a stop over in KEF. $992 a person for August 2014.

I don't usually book this far in advance, but I might do that this time around.

Thank you Icelandair for providing an alternative in the YEG market!

[dansk]

Whose white plane is that sitting on the South Tarmac right now?

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by dansk

Whose white plane is that sitting on the South Tarmac right now?

Aircraft type? Can you make out the registration?

[dansk]

I couldn't I was just heading N bound on QE2. I'll see if I can check on my way back to YEG.

[oiler-dude]

http://flyeia.com/node/32375

Can't really tell from the LiveCam. Almost looks like a Transat logo? But I'm pretty uneducated with this stuff.

[dansk]

Nevermind. Air Transat.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thegx

YVR did lose other mainline service this winter (ie Montreal and Ottawa both dropped).

Yes, but picked up more mainline to Hawaii and Toronto. The Ottawa flight has been seasonal for a couple of years now and Montreal is being dropped this winter. So, as I said, a net loss of only about 1 daily mainline overall. YVR also picked up 4 new routes compared to last winter: YKA, YXT, YXJ and YYJ.

[thegx]

Alright, I've done all the math. Overall, WestJet will offer 2388 more seats per week this winter over last winter.

Calgary 46/week to 63/week (-18 737s [-2448 seats/week]) (+35 Q400s [+2730 seats]) +282 seats
Fort McMurray 14/week to 19/week (-1 737s [-136 seats/week]) (+6 Q400s [+468 seats/week]) +332 seats
Grande Prairie 14/week to 21/week (-14 737s [-1904 seats/week]) (+21 Q400s [+1638 seats/week]) -266 seats
Regina 6/week to 20/week (-6 736s [-714 seats/week]) (+20 Q400s [+1560 seats/week]) +846 seats
Saskatoon 6/week to 14/week (-6 736s [-714 seats/week]) (+14 Q400s [+1092 seats/week]) +378 seats
Toronto 34/week to 39/week (+5 737s [+680 seats/week]) +680 seats
Vancouver 53/week to 55/week (+2 737s [+272 seats/week]) +272 seats
Victoria 13/week to 12/week (-1 737 [-136 seats/week]) -136 seats

No increases or decreases to other destinations.

[Cage]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

I wonder whether business class profits be enough to entice WestJet into wide body service to Europe? It might make sense to run a full joint venture between WestJet and Icelandair to allow WestJet to continue building up its domestic operations without further distractions. It would also own all the passenger data, and could decide if and when to introduce direct flights with existing customer already having experience booking European travel via WestJet.

The proper term for your idea is outbound codeshare whereby WestJet would put their code onto another companies flights. Currently Westjet is only conducting outbound codeshare with American Airlines. All other codeshare operations are inbound only codeshare.

Although my discussions are a few years old, my understanding from Westjet marketing people is that WS is not at all interested in outbound codeshare. Primary problem with outbound codeshare (particularly overseas) is the pro rate formula for determining the ticket split to revenue for both participants. For example $1000 base fare (exclude taxes and fees but include fuel surcharges) codeshare operation involves 500 mile on WS and 5000 mile on BA. BA gets $900 and WS only sees $100 although base fare on the WS sector as O&D pax is $160. With inbound codeshare BA is willing to increase WS prorate terms to compensate WS for the $60 revenue loss because BA needs the Canadian feed to survive.

As to the WS/FI joint venture idea, the double connection issue (connect in both YEG and KEF) would distort the operational results infavour of low yield pax. Most business travellers (and their travel agents) will not entertain 2 connection flights unless absolutely necessary. Its the double connection that also pushes away a lot of Edmonton flyers from using YYC, YVR, and YYZ; similar results could be expected from asking other flyers to double connect through YEG and KEF.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by thegx

Alright, I've done all the math. Overall, WestJet will offer 2388 more seats per week this winter over last winter.

My calcs are very close to yours.

So in summary:

YEG up 2,184 seats per week
YVR up 3,886 seats per week
YYC up 6,946 seats per week

[LO 044]

Originally Posted by Cage

The proper term for your idea is outbound codeshare whereby WestJet would put their code onto another companies flights. Currently Westjet is only conducting outbound codeshare with American Airlines. All other codeshare operations are inbound only codeshare.

Although my discussions are a few years old, my understanding from Westjet marketing people is that WS is not at all interested in outbound codeshare. Primary problem with outbound codeshare (particularly overseas) is the pro rate formula for determining the ticket split to revenue for both participants. For example $1000 base fare (exclude taxes and fees but include fuel surcharges) codeshare operation involves 500 mile on WS and 5000 mile on BA. BA gets $900 and WS only sees $100 although base fare on the WS sector as O&D pax is $160. With inbound codeshare BA is willing to increase WS prorate terms to compensate WS for the $60 revenue loss because BA needs the Canadian feed to survive.

As to the WS/FI joint venture idea, the double connection issue (connect in both YEG and KEF) would distort the operational results infavour of low yield pax. Most business travellers (and their travel agents) will not entertain 2 connection flights unless absolutely necessary. Its the double connection that also pushes away a lot of Edmonton flyers from using YYC, YVR, and YYZ; similar results could be expected from asking other flyers to double connect through YEG and KEF.

What? So it's OK to double connect through YYC but not YEG? So YMM-YEG-KEF-TXL is different than YMM-YYC-FRA-TXL?

[dansk]

Cage was referencing YEG flyers not YMM customers. YEG'ers expect to be able to have one connection internationally, not two due to the size and business that happens in Edmonton. Just like YMM is just starting to have that expectation Dometically and in the Transborder market.

Flying Internationally from YEG is a hassle if I have to do a YEG-YYC-LHR (or AMS/FRA)-Final destination. I've used to LHR routing many times and it's been great. Having FI introduce two routes in two of three largest cities in Western Canada is really going to put some price pressure on AC and other legacy carriers.

[thegx]

Originally Posted by Cage

The proper term for your idea is outbound codeshare whereby WestJet would put their code onto another companies flights. Currently Westjet is only conducting outbound codeshare with American Airlines. All other codeshare operations are inbound only codeshare.

And Delta.

[Airboy]

So at the airport this morning for my flight and noticed the Festival of Mullets and bad hair cuts has begun for Cancun. If it wasn't matching hockey jackets it was flip flops and matching cowboy hats.

[LO 044]

They should remake the north departure area into the a sun destination departure area complete with white sand, mayan riviera music, non-alcoholic drinks and lounge chairs. Maybe one of those life size chess boards to make the transformation complete. That would help in the segregation between the normal world and mullet heaven.

[s211]

Originally Posted by LO 044

They should remake the north departure area into the a sun destination departure area complete with white sand, mayan riviera music, non-alcoholic drinks and lounge chairs. Maybe one of those life size chess boards to make the transformation complete. That would help in the segregation between the normal world and mullet heaven.

I think you're on to something.

"You must be under this IQ to enter..."

I see an entirely different terminal, sort of an antithesis to Frankfurt's first class terminal. It makes so much sense.