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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 4:41 PM
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We already discussed this project a couple times, but I wanted to highlight a particular sentence:

http://www.popcitymedia.com/devnews/smallmanapts102313.aspx

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Schreiber and his Shadyside-based Schreiber Real Estate will construct a 59-unit apartment building at 1100 Smallman Street, right where the Strip meets Downtown. The structure, which will stand six stories, will encompass a building Schreiber currently owns at the address in addition to an entirely new structure.

It’s really within the central business district, so it’s well-suited to people who work there,” Schreiber says.
I think we are going to see a LOT of that sentiment in coming years. I think developments in the near Strip and Lower Hill in particular are going to push the boundary of "Downtown" (aka the Central Business District) eastward--maybe just a few blocks, but that will be enough to significantly increase its overall size.
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DKNY: Very useful information. I can believe it is tough to make the numbers work on the Produce Terminal viewed in isolation, and that it helps if they can cut it down by 1/3 to free up more development space. I would personally support a TIF or something similar (historic tax credits?) to make the cuts plan work, however.
Has Buncher ever said what they would do with the shortened, restored Produce Terminal? I thought some sort of public market but now realize that I haven't a clue.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 5:42 PM
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Has Buncher ever said what they would do with the shortened, restored Produce Terminal? I thought some sort of public market but now realize that I haven't a clue.
There is some information (from June 2011--time flies!) here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/home/2011/06...trail-to-demolition/stories/201106140190

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What remains of the building would be rehabilitated and operated as a commercial/retail facility. Potential tenants include restaurants, offices and "modest retail."

The Pittsburgh Public Market, now located in the section that would be demolished, would probably be relocated and serve as the "new end cap" of the terminal, Mr. Stephany said.

He acknowledged that the redevelopment probably would spell the end for the handful of produce wholesalers -- the group that made the Strip famous -- that now occupy about 43 percent of the terminal. They "likely will have to move," he said.
Pretty vague, and with the Public Market since moving, I'd guess that part is now void.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 6:04 PM
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it it's cost prohibitive for Buncher (or anyone) and public subsidies are usually part of such markets, then maybe he sells to a non profit and city and state money can he obtained.... I know, dreamin' here...
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 6:27 PM
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There is some information (from June 2011--time flies!) here:

http://www.post-gazette.com/home/2011/06...trail-to-demolition/stories/201106140190



Pretty vague, and with the Public Market since moving, I'd guess that part is now void.
What jumps out from that PG article is Preservation Pittsburgh's June 2011 position that they want the entire terminal preserved but understood that compromise might be necessary. The right stance---preservation-minded but reasonable, and hardly courageous as nearly everyone else save Buncher advocated for the same result. But jump forward two years and PP files the eleventh-hour historic designation petition. I get that their intentions are good and that Pfaffman was replaced as president between then and now. But PP has seen the numbers. I know that they attended many of the meetings about the finances of the Terminal. So where did the compromise go? Or the comprehension? Their filing brings the entire process to a grinding halt. The Terminal continues to deteriorate, the riverfront land continues to serve as a parking lot. And in the end, if the building is saved without cuts or partial demolition, it will be due to some kind of public subsidy. It makes no sense to me.

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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 6:45 PM
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it it's cost prohibitive for Buncher (or anyone) and public subsidies are usually part of such markets, then maybe he sells to a non profit and city and state money can he obtained.... I know, dreamin' here...
There seem to a few unique challenges to re-use of the Produce Terminal which will drive up the cost more than a run-of-the-mill restoration. Plus, the likelihood of governmental subsidies are lessened if, as I was told, the property owners and vendors on Penn Avenue are against a food-focused market in a restored Terminal.

The largest negative to all this is that we could lose two years (the time remaining on Buncher's purchase option) while the company figures out what to do. As long as the Produce Terminal is in play, Buncher would be foolish to finalize any plan for their riverfront property.

Interestingly, this could also be the biggest positive. The development in the Strip will only increase over the next two years. That might be the incentive that Buncher needs to design a denser, higher, more urban development.
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[QUOTE=photoLith;6312118]This doesnt really have anything to do with development but you can see a lot of new projects. Went up to the top of Cathedral of Learning a couple days ago and took some photos.

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PhotoLith, great photos. Carnegie Mellon...already one of the most impressive urban college campuses in the country and getting better!
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 7:15 PM
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DKNewYork: I guess not everyone agrees:

http://www.campussqueeze.com/post/the-20-ugliest-colleges-in-the-usa.aspx[/URL]

http://www.complex.com/art-design/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/carnegie-mellon-university

http://books.google.com/books?id=_PRzxdc...arnegie%20mellon%20ugly%20campus&f=false

But who can argue taste?
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DKNewYork: I guess not everyone agrees:

http://www.campussqueeze.com/post/the-20-ugliest-colleges-in-the-usa.aspx[/URL]

http://www.complex.com/art-design/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/carnegie-mellon-university

http://books.google.com/books?id=_PRzxdc...arnegie%20mellon%20ugly%20campus&f=false

But who can argue taste?
Ouch! I will grant that Wean Hall is difficult to love...and that the university was a bit late in renovating and restoring some of the original buildings...and that Hornbostel's industrial take on the campus design is off-putting to some...but still a spectacular campus!
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I've always loved CMU's campus. Especially the view of it from across panther hollow in Schenley Park.
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One more comment on PhotoLith's beautiful photo of the CMU campus: As you can see, the university has put green (I mean color, not environmentally-beneficial although it could be both) roofs on a few of their renovated buildings. My understanding is that the original roof color was matte black. I'm hoping that the school will try that in the future to see how it looks.

Henry Hornbostel, the architect behind the master plan for the CMU (and Pitt's abandoned "Acropolis on the Hill" plan) is one of the truly great turn-of-the-century architects from this country.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 10:01 PM
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There's a documentary about Henry Horbostel airing on WQED next month:

HENRY HORNBOSTEL: In Architecture & Legacy
will air on WQED-TV 13 Pittsburgh
at 10PM EST on
Friday November 22, 2013

Hoping that their filmmaking is better than their web-design.
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Old Posted Oct 23, 2013, 10:17 PM
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Robot city: How the machines are driving pittsburgh's future

Another writeup/video about Pittsburgh on The Verge:

ROBOT CITY: HOW THE MACHINES ARE DRIVING PITTSBURGH'S FUTURE
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/23/47492...nes-are-driving-the-future-of-pittsburgh

If you missed the last one...

CLEANING UP ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST POLLUTED CITIES
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/16/4748776/cleaning-up-one-of-americas-most-polluted-cities

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Old Posted Oct 24, 2013, 1:15 AM
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So where did the compromise go? Or the comprehension? Their filing brings the entire process to a grinding halt.
Was Buncher willing to compromise at all itself? If Preservation Pittsburgh thought there were better and viable alternatives to Buncher's plan but Buncher was refusing to consider them, then their choices were either capitulate and let Buncher do exactly what it wants or go for designation--which again does not mean nothing can be done, but rather that the HRC will have to approve any plan.

And Buncher is not exactly ruling that out (working with the HRC on modifications). They are just saying very little at all right now, which makes sense since designation is not yet a done deal.
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DKNewYork: I guess not everyone agrees:

http://www.campussqueeze.com/post/the-20-ugliest-colleges-in-the-usa.aspx[/URL]

http://www.complex.com/art-design/2013/09/ugly-college-campuses/carnegie-mellon-university

http://books.google.com/books?id=_PRzxdc...arnegie%20mellon%20ugly%20campus&f=false

But who can argue taste?
Hm. Having spent 5 years on the campus as an architecture major, I admittedly have my own mixed feelings about the actual "aesthetics" of the campus, and all are entitled to their opinions. But I will take a shot nonetheless...

1. The first 'article' is severely misinformed and uneducated, and not worthy of any further response.

2. The second makes a somewhat valid point about the 'overbearing' nature of individual buildings on the campus, though I'm not sure where the information about a "lack of extracurricular activities" is coming from, and how that would dictate unsuccessful architecture, if it were true (the school currently has over 250+ extracurricular student organizations). The first photo, of Margaret Morrison Hall, is a beautiful example of detailed Beaux-Arts architecture by Hornbostel. Having essentially lived in the studios of this building for three years I can probably list more faults than positives (most of which are due to countless renovations/alterations over the buildings 100+ year history), but it is by no means an ugly building. Aesthetics of the Gates Center aside (image 2), it establishes some useful campus connections and breathed fresh life into the urban environment of the campus. It has a lot of poorly planned interiors and excessively expensive furniture, but I think time will prove it successful and lasting. I will concede that there's not too much to praise about the third image of the Robotics Hall addition to Hammerschlag; it essentially marks the 'rear end' of the campus and is the most unflattering view of the campus, marring the singular power of Hammerschlag. It is far nicer on the inside than the outside.

As far as the third article, if anything, the University Center is the 'ugliest' building on the entire campus. This, mainly because it is trying to mimic past style executed by Hornbostel, and doing so unsuccessfully. If it weren't for it's program as the focal point of student activities, it would be a dull and vapid monstrosity. No one can deny the brutality of Wean Hall but it is an impressive tectonic expression and endearing nonetheless.

The single most successful thing about CMU from an architectural, urban planning, and design standpoint is how the modern campus responds both to Hornbostel's original masterplan intentions and the challenges of creating an open yet connected campus within a tight area with many physical site challenges. Look at the designs for the new Nano Center under construction, which is being constructed essentially in air space over a completely 'unconstructable area', as well as underground. It is this creative application of seeing opportunity where others don't that largely reflects the schools collaborative philosophy, whether conscious or not.
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Carnegie Mellon is quite the ugly campus, the problem is the lack of good gardening and a horrendous Brutalist crap building that dominates the central lawn. Some of the individual buildings are very beautiful but overall the campus feels mismatched. The central lawn or whatever its called looks like the National Mall in the sense that its falling apart, half the grass is dead. I think they need to tear down that POS of brutal building and improve the grounds of the university, than it would be gorgeous. University of Pittsburgh however around The Cathedral of Learning is one of the most incredible campuses Ive ever walked around. To see a beautifully designed and well connected university, one does not have to look much further than Rice University in Houston. Carnegie Mellon with some careful planning could easily be as beautiful as Rice.


For good measure heres a photo I took of Rice about a year ago, its on the left side of the photo.
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Carnegie Mellon is quite the ugly campus, the problem is the lack of good gardening and a horrendous Brutalist crap building that dominates the central lawn. Some of the individual buildings are very beautiful but overall the campus feels mismatched. The central lawn or whatever its called looks like the National Mall in the sense that its falling apart, half the grass is dead. I think they need to tear down that POS of brutal building and improve the grounds of the university, than it would be gorgeous. University of Pittsburgh however around The Cathedral of Learning is one of the most incredible campuses Ive ever walked around. To see a beautifully designed and well connected university, one does not have to look much further than Rice University in Houston. Carnegie Mellon with some careful planning could easily be as beautiful as Rice.
Well, if their ambitious master plan is to be believed, they will have plenty of opportunity for improvement.

http://www.cmu.edu/cdfd/documents/2012-imp.pdf

I for one, have always found CMU to be charming - Perhaps not what I would describe as beautiful, but rather cutting edge. Then again, I am a big fan of the dynamic on prestigious campuses regardless of design, so I may be biased.
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Old Posted Oct 24, 2013, 10:06 AM
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I think the CMU campus is impressive in its own way, but overall it leaves me cold. That said, I really like the new Gates Building, and with more of that I could see me developing a more positive overall reaction.
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I like the recessed tennis courts on CMU's campus.

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http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2...lopment-near-Consol/stories/201310240190

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Restaurants, lofts first sign of development near Consol Energy Center

October 23, 2013 11:41 PM

By Mark Belko / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
As Penguins announcer Mike Lange might say, buy Sam a drink, and get his dog one, too. There will be plenty of chances, as a new development near Consol Energy Center gets ready to roll.

Blue Line Grille, a 5,800-square-foot restaurant and bar, is set to open on Fifth Avenue across from Consol next month. It is part of a $4 million plus, four-level complex that will include 10 loft apartments and Uptown, a sleek rooftop lounge overlooking the arena.

The project constitutes the first major non-arena-related development to take place near Consol since it opened in August 2010.

"We're trying to make it a destination. This is something the city hasn't seen," said Kevin Nord, the majority owner. "I firmly believe that with this project, the word Uptown will become a staple in Pittsburghers' vocabulary in the next three to five years. I think this project will jump-start that."

David Glickman, director of retail services for the Newmark Grubb Knight Frank real estate firm, said the area near Consol Energy Center has taken long to develop in part because some of the buildings in the vicinity are older and "were priced a bit aggressively."

He also said Downtown development, particularly in Market Square, overshadowed Uptown.

Nonetheless, Mr. Glickman sees the area developing "over time, slowly but surely." If the Penguins follow through with plans to develop housing at the former Civic Arena site, that will help to drive more retail and restaurants to the area, he said.

Blue Line Grille -- with the catchy projected opening date of 11/12/13 -- will feature a bar, a VIP area that will seat up to 45 people, and the "Sin Bin," a replica of a hockey penalty box complete with glass and boards and seating for up to 20 people.


There also will be 30 televisions -- including two 110-inch projection models. The restaurant will serve "Uptown contemporary food" -- gourmet hamburgers, pizza, lobster rolls and fried pork chop sandwiches.

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Carnegie Mellon is quite the ugly campus, the problem is the lack of good gardening and a horrendous Brutalist crap building that dominates the central lawn. Some of the individual buildings are very beautiful but overall the campus feels mismatched. The central lawn or whatever its called looks like the National Mall in the sense that its falling apart, half the grass is dead. I think they need to tear down that POS of brutal building and improve the grounds of the university, than it would be gorgeous. University of Pittsburgh however around The Cathedral of Learning is one of the most incredible campuses Ive ever walked around. To see a beautifully designed and well connected university, one does not have to look much further than Rice University in Houston. Carnegie Mellon with some careful planning could easily be as beautiful as Rice.


For good measure heres a photo I took of Rice about a year ago, its on the left side of the photo.
Haha, when I first looked at this picture, I thought it was a view of CMU looking toward Downtown. It took me a few minutes to realize that view wouldn't be possible from the Cathedral of Learning. Plus, I couldn't quite identify the skyscrapers located in the distance to the left of the page (which would be located somewhere on the South Side if it was indeed Pittsburgh).

I could have saved some time by scrolling down to the space below the picture to see that it was Rice.
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