Canadian City Proposals - Page 411

ue · #**8201** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 6:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Really amazing. By 2020, Edmonton will be unrecognizable from today. Having just spent the weekend in Edmonton, I have realized that outside of the core, it actually feels like a larger city than Calgary... as if they planned for it to be as large as it has gotten, whereas Calgary seems to have only been planned to grow to 500 000. Inside the core, obviously Calgary's feels bigger, but Edmonton is just much more, or at least feels much more, built up throughout the city outside its core.

Hmm, I'm not sure. Like Cold, I'd say Calgary has more big city impact and at first glance can appear bigger. But once you dig a bit deeper, both Edmonton and Calgary feel about the same size (downtowns notwithstanding).

The thing I will say about Edmonton though is that it feels like the more matured of Alberta's two biggest cities. That's largely due to it being the biggest of the two for most of Alberta's history and having some nice seeds being planted early on in the city's development (capital city, main university, bigger river). Edmonton's 1950s and '60s inner suburbs are very quintessentially Edmonton. Whereas Calgary's post-y2k suburbs seem to define the overall built form more so than areas like Crescent Heights or International Ave.

There also seems to be more grandeur from buildings built between the 1910s and 1970s (Leg, Hotel MacDonald, High Level Bridge, CN Tower, Muttart, underground LRT). On the other hand, Calgary's buildings from the 1980s to present (Suncor, Bankers Hall, Peace Bridge, the Bow, Olympic Park) are more grand and 'iconic' than Edmonton's overall.

Chadillaccc · #**8202** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 10:58 AM**

Maybe that is what I meant, more mature. It also seems like there are more large buildings (mostly hotels and old apartment buildings) outside of Edmonton's core, spread around the city. That is part of what made it feel more "built up," or "mature" to me.

LeftCoaster · #**8203** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 3:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by travis3000

Realistically the Oxford Proposal could change again before it happens. It's not going to be built any time soon. I think the 2025 to 2030 time frame is the most realistic for these monster projects like Oxford, 1 Yonge, and Mirvish, if they happen at all. Holt Renfrew Tower might be sooner, like 2020. But it's hard to say, it's not exactly easy to successfully launch a monster 80+ storey condo project especially in this market.

Oxford will change once and almost assuredly many times after that. IT's a massive project that likely wont see a shovel in the ground in the next 10 years if that. I'd put 1 yonge in a siliar category but a slightly faster timeline.

Holt Renfrew will be interesting and relies a lot on how the condo market looks in about 2 years.

That goofy Mervish proposal will never happen.

333609543 · #**8204** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 3:58 PM**

I was just reading about 20 pages, and I've been overloaded with joy! I'm extremely happy that all Canada's cities are growing. Unfortunately not as much as Toronto has, but I'm glad to see so many development proposals and such. I should really visit other places.

O-tacular · #**8205** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 4:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

A gorgeous new proposal for Calgary's Marda Loop suburb. The neighbourhood is already historic, high density, and beautiful... this will be a great addition.

Weird. I always thought this was the school in Ramsay by the Stampede. In any case it will be a great replacement and improvement over Arts Central.

Chadillaccc · #**8206** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 6:11 PM**

The person that posted it in the Calgary section said Marda Loop, almost every single poster on there is more in-tune with what is happening in Calgary than I am, so I just go by that

uzi · #**8207** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 10:38 PM**

[QUOTE=caltrane74;6285538]that is me sir, do I know you?

Are you one of my offspring, or a long lost nephew? lol!
no, I saw ur name in Toronto skyscraper blog.

uzi · #**8208** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 11:08 PM**

hey guyz is Toronto beautiful.

caltrane74 · #**8209** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 11:30 PM**

[QUOTE=uzi;6286496]

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Originally Posted by caltrane74

that is me sir, do I know you?

Are you one of my offspring, or a long lost nephew? lol!
no, I saw ur name in Toronto skyscraper blog.

seen!

Chadillaccc · #**8210** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 3:37 AM**

Ottawa's Claridge Icon (143 meters) has been cancelled.

Innsertnamehere · #**8211** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 10:40 AM**

caltrane74 · #**8212** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 1:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Ottawa Clearidge Icon (143 meters) has been cancelled.

Actually, not that surprising given the current state of the new condo market.

Toronto, saw its worst August new Condo sales were only 663 units. Our 10 year average has been about 1200 new condo units a month, or enough to build two 60 floor condos every month. The weakness in the new condo market is starting to look dire...

There is some good news in that existing new condo inventory is down 10-15%.

Chadillaccc · #**8213** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 2:01 PM**

Toronto's severely weakening condo market has little to no bearing on anywhere else in Canada. Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal, Victoria, and Halifax are all thriving and building more. People in Ottawa are still hoping that Soho Italia and the Dow Honda site condos will still go through.

That is great about the existing vacancy rates going down!

Rico Rommheim · #**8214** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 2:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Ottawa's Claridge Icon (143 meters) has been cancelled.

Nooooooooooooooo!

Dwils01 · #**8215** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 5:55 PM**

Considering it only sold 10% since May and only one type of unit it's no surprise. But I really liked the design. Ottawa just seems like a place that can't sell a lot of condo's but I hope that other big developments they have there do better. Toronto's slumping market may not have anything to do with this but they are both showing that sales are slowing down. Did condo's sales in Ottawa ever pick up though?

Ramako · #**8216** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 6:01 PM**

What a shame. It was an interesting design.

Coldrsx · #**8217** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 6:39 PM**

So it looks like there will be 3 proposals in Edmonton going for 'new tallest' in the next couple of years

office
condo
mixed use

Chadillaccc · #**8218** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 6:50 PM**

swooooooooon!

MTLskyline · #**8219** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 7:02 PM**

900 de Maisonneuve Ouest
Standard Life is thinking of moving their headquarters there (currently located on Sherbrooke as well as another building on Stanley)

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Originally Posted by MTLskyline

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New render:

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jay2018 · #**8220** Posted **Oct 2, 2013, 7:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dwils01

Considering it only sold 10% since May and only one type of unit it's no surprise. But I really liked the design. Ottawa just seems like a place that can't sell a lot of condo's but I hope that other big developments they have there do better. Toronto's slumping market may not have anything to do with this but they are both showing that sales are slowing down. Did condo's sales in Ottawa ever pick up though?

The Ottawa condo market has done very well in the last 5 years just last year condo start ups were 44% reaching a 34 year high while single house start ups were 24% which was a 32 year low so yes the condo market has really picked up now there are signs its a bit slower now.