YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 256

trofirhen · #**5101** Posted **Sep 14, 2013, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Where did you hear about those two things? (the bolded part).

sorry, but I didn't note it down. About the double-daily YYZ-IST I read somewhere, as with the eventual return of Air India. Sorry not to be more precise. Additionally, I spoke with someone at the YVR route development office on this, esp the Istanbul aspect, and they said that the only possibility would be if Turkish (also *alliance) were to try out the route, which seems improbable at present.

Kapten · #**5102** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 6:41 PM**

If Air Canada purchases the new Bombardier C Series jet, could they use it to open up new North American markets from Vancouver?

There are a number of cities not currently served non-stop from Vancouver that may benefit from the plane's range/economics:

Quebec City
Halifax
Boston
Austin or San Antonio
Orlando

Are any of these markets being considered...?

LeftCoaster · #**5103** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 7:27 PM**

I doubt the C series will change any of that as Air Canada could already easily run those routes with their existing A319 fleet.

trofirhen · #**5104** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 7:52 PM**

A YVR route developments rep told me that YVR really wants Orlando. However, as this would apparently be an O / D flight, with little connecting traffic, it's not lucrative enough to be highly sought after. Hopefully, as Vancouver grows, this may change.

Denscity · #**5105** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 8:49 PM**

So glad there's some life in this thread again. Its one of my most favourite of the whole website! Hey Johnny any new additions to YVR's lineup?

rxp · #**5106** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 10:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by Kapten

Any chance we'll see any of these markets open up from YVR with the 787?

Doubtful

YYZ will get J'burg before a YVR-New Delhi link.
I'd bet on YVR-IST before listed destinations

Why would that be the case?

I remember a presser with Kingfisher and BC Govt before it had financial issues... But I still dont get why other airlines are not doing it? The market for India from Vancouver is huge, and they currently go via Europe or Asia...

trofirhen · #**5107** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 10:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Why would that be the case?

I remember a presser with Kingfisher and BC Govt before it had financial issues... But I still dont get why other airlines are not doing it? The market for India from Vancouver is huge, and they currently go via Europe or Asia...

They also go direct from YYZ, too. Could that play a role in all this?

Hot Rod · #**5108** Posted **Sep 17, 2013, 11:44 PM**

Sorry to be a little late, but I saw recently that DL will be dropping the SEA-KIX route in Feb 2014. I suspected as much.

whatnext · #**5109** Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 12:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Why would that be the case?

I remember a presser with Kingfisher and BC Govt before it had financial issues... But I still dont get why other airlines are not doing it? The market for India from Vancouver is huge, and they currently go via Europe or Asia...

Three words: Low Yield Market.

trofirhen · #**5110** Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 1:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by rxp

Three words: Low Yield Market.

I am sure you are totally right, but not having majored in Economics, WHY is this a low-yield market? Not enough Business Class travel?

Vagabond · #**5111** Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 6:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

I am sure you are totally right, but not having majored in Economics, WHY is this a low-yield market? Not enough Business Class travel?

Long time lurker, but I have a bit to contribute on this point.

YVR did a pretty comprehensive internal study on the potential for a non-stop YVR-DEL link in 2012 (not published, but not private either). The study included a broad survey of the local business community and was supported by the Provincial Govt (which would love to see a non-stop flight to India for political reasons).

The findings were that, while a huge overall market, YVR-India has pretty minimal business class traffic. YVR-DEL is the 4th busiest route between North America and India, but falls behind virtually every other major NA airport on business class demand (YYZ performed poorly on this indicator as well, actually). The numbers I saw indicated that only about 1% of the traffic between YVR-India is in business class. Considering the economics of ultra long haul (ULH) flights (Delhi would be a 14 1/2 hour flight requiring a 777 or 787), a lack of business class demand means the route is practically a non-starter.

Also, virtually all the Indian airlines are in pretty bad shape financially at the moment. The aforementioned Kingfisher Airlines has been all but wrapped up in bankruptcy and will likely never fly again in India, let alone to North America. Air Canada may make a go of it at some point in the future, but they're more likely to try from YYZ first.

trofirhen · #**5112** Posted **Sep 18, 2013, 8:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Long time lurker, but I have a bit to contribute on this point.

YVR did a pretty comprehensive internal study on the potential for a non-stop YVR-DEL link in 2012 (not published, but not private either). The study included a broad survey of the local business community and was supported by the Provincial Govt (which would love to see a non-stop flight to India for political reasons).

The findings were that, while a huge overall market, YVR-India has pretty minimal business class traffic. YVR-DEL is the 4th busiest route between North America and India, but falls behind virtually every other major NA airport on business class demand (YYZ performed poorly on this indicator as well, actually). The numbers I saw indicated that only about 1% of the traffic between YVR-India is in business class. Considering the economics of ultra long haul (ULH) flights (Delhi would be a 14 1/2 hour flight requiring a 777 or 787), a lack of business class demand means the route is practically a non-starter.

Also, virtually all the Indian airlines are in pretty bad shape financially at the moment. The aforementioned Kingfisher Airlines has been all but wrapped up in bankruptcy and will likely never fly again in India, let alone to North America. Air Canada may make a go of it at some point in the future, but they're more likely to try from YYZ first.

At this point, in retrospect, it really does seem a shame that Emirates fell through. Oh well, maybe we'll get Istanbul, (if there's a high enough yield factor). That would be a shortcut, anyway, compared to what is there now.

Spork · #**5113** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 5:09 AM**

Horrible shot of the outlet construction taken by me today while PARKED SAFELY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

deasine · #**5114** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 7:25 AM**

...on the bridge?!

Spork · #**5115** Posted **Sep 22, 2013, 3:12 AM**

That was a "hey, I'm being safe" potentially sarcastic moment. You decide.

Johnny Aussie · #**5116** Posted **Sep 26, 2013, 7:12 AM**

Just had a look at a few things happening:

China Eastern

MU has revised its winter scheds. Originally the increase was going to be from a single daily last winter to double daily this winter. Now the frequencies will vary between 10 weekly and 14 weekly depending on the period. I would still say this is an overall pretty big increase in capacity year on year.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/09/20/mu-w13update1

Air China

Effective 10 October, Air China will begin code sharing on a few Air Canada domestic routes from YVR to YYC, YEG, YWG, YYZ, YOW and YUL.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/09/26/caac-codeshare-oct13/

Delta Air Lines

Although preliminary, Delta appears to be increasing YVR-ATL next summer from 1 to 3 weekly. Added flights on Wednesdays (757) and Sundays (738) along with the usual Saturdays (757). The other Delta routes are pretty much status quo for now.

Johnny Aussie · #**5117** Posted **Sep 29, 2013, 4:50 AM**

The UA non-stops to Dulles which were introduced this summer twice-weekly must have been successful.

Effective 5 June daily 320 to depart at 1230.

Looks like a bit of a turnaround to east coast flights with the additional DL flights to ATL and the continuing DL daily to JFK which was new for summer 2013.

Not bad.

Johnny Aussie · #**5118** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 6:55 PM**

A very good month for YVR.

All sectors except Misc International have very healthy growth.

http://yvr.ca/Libraries/Aviation_Marketing/Aug_Traffic_Update.sflb.ashx

Some highlights:

Overall up 5.9 % to over 1.9M (record month). Getting close to a 2M month.
Domestic up 5.5% to 998K (record month). Getting close to a 1M month.
Transborder up 5.1% to 467K.
Asia Pacific up an impressive 10.3% to 271K (record month).
Europe up 4.8% to 178K (second best month ever).
Note: sched Europe up a massive 15.7%.
Misc International down 6.7% to 18.8K. I assume reduced sun destinations.

Denscity · #**5119** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 7:50 PM**

Once again the bringer of good news Johnny! Nearly 2M a month projects to 24M a year which would shatter the record!! Awesome! Go YVR go!!!

Johnny Aussie · #**5120** Posted **Oct 1, 2013, 8:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Denscity

Once again the bringer of good news Johnny! Nearly 2M a month projects to 24M a year which would shatter the record!! Awesome! Go YVR go!!!

Whoa...ease up there tiger! ;-)

YVR is a very seasonal market. August is always by far the biggest month. June, July and September also pretty big. But months like April and November are much quieter. Hard to project an annual figure by using the biggest month only. Let's work on getting to 20 million first :-)

Hopefully the momentum continues. Certainly some good bumps coming up on international (mainly Asia Pacific of course) for the winter months. And early previews to next spring and summer looking not bad either.