YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[deasine]

Originally Posted by Porfiry

Then again it's probable we pre-cleared US customs in Vancouver.

Exactly so. That won't happen on the way back to Vancouver.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Seems as if you much prefer nonstops, as many people do. We have Syndey and Auckland, with Brisbane - Vancouver coming up on AC Dreamliner, now all we have to work on is a nonstop Melbourne flight!!

It's more of a * Alliance thing mainly... Just a bonus they are the fastest routes.

As for YVR-BNE that is nothing in stone yet. Just speculation. Would be another decent option though.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Very good point. If their planes had the range, you can guarantee that they'd fly from Calgary as well. I'm sure there's demand, especially given Calgary's corporate population.

...and colder weather.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Porfiry

I took the YVR-HNL-SYD flight on Air Canada several times about ten years ago (before they had the 777 direct), and they definitely let us off the plane to wander the terminal (you could also stay on the plane if you wanted). No customs clearance required. I remember this because I once misread the re-boarding time and nearly missed getting back on the plane.

Then again it's probable we pre-cleared US customs in Vancouver.

Sure it wasn't pre 9/11?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Sure it wasn't pre 9/11?

It's still the case. When you fly to the US from Vancouver you go through security and US customs at YVR. Flights from the transborder terminal are considered US domestic flights.

I have flown YVR-SFO-HNL and we landed at the domestic terminal at SFO. As was states, however, Australian airports wouldn't have that so the benefit is only one-way.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

It's still the case. When you fly to the US from Vancouver you go through security and US customs at YVR. Flights from the transborder terminal are considered US domestic flights.

I have flown YVR-SFO-HNL and we landed at the domestic terminal at SFO. As was states, however, Australian airports wouldn't have that so the benefit is only one-way.

But was it a same plane flight. I believe the difference was that AC's YVR-HNL-SYD was one plane carrying both US-bound and Int'l travellers. Despite preclearance eveyone continuing on had to go through the Immigration dog and pony show in HNL.

[deasine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

But was it a same plane flight. I believe the difference was that AC's YVR-HNL-SYD was one plane carrying both US-bound and Int'l travellers. Despite preclearance eveyone continuing on had to go through the Immigration dog and pony show in HNL.

If you go through YVR Preclearance you don't have to go through immigration period. The point of preclearance is to clear immigration AT YVR with US customs. Why would it make sense to go through immigration twice in the same country? However, there are US bound flights from YVR that don't have access to preclearance (as the borders are closed): example is CX flight to JFK.

Coming back, you will have to clear immigration at HNL as preclearance in SYD is not available.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

It's still the case. When you fly to the US from Vancouver you go through security and US customs at YVR. Flights from the transborder terminal are considered US domestic flights.

I have flown YVR-SFO-HNL and we landed at the domestic terminal at SFO. As was states, however, Australian airports wouldn't have that so the benefit is only one-way.

Originally Posted by whatnext

But was it a same plane flight. I believe the difference was that AC's YVR-HNL-SYD was one plane carrying both US-bound and Int'l travellers. Despite preclearance eveyone continuing on had to go through the Immigration dog and pony show in HNL.

Originally Posted by deasine

If you go through YVR Preclearance you don't have to go through immigration period. The point of preclearance is to clear immigration AT YVR with US customs. Why would it make sense to go through immigration twice in the same country? However, there are US bound flights from YVR that don't have access to preclearance (as the borders are closed): example is CX flight to JFK.

Coming back, you will have to clear immigration at HNL as preclearance in SYD is not available.

All of which point up the desirability of nonstop flights from YVR to Down Under. (Australia and NZ).
Two down, one planned, and one to work towards.

[theKB]

Originally Posted by deasine

If you go through YVR Preclearance you don't have to go through immigration period. The point of preclearance is to clear immigration AT YVR with US customs. Why would it make sense to go through immigration twice in the same country? However, there are US bound flights from YVR that don't have access to preclearance (as the borders are closed): example is CX flight to JFK.

Coming back, you will have to clear immigration at HNL as preclearance in SYD is not available.

The YVR-HNL-SYD flight actually departed from the international terminal and required clearance in the US for all passengers during the fuel stop (as ridiculous as that sounds)

[deasine]

Originally Posted by theKB

The YVR-HNL-SYD flight actually departed from the international terminal and required clearance in the US for all passengers during the fuel stop (as ridiculous as that sounds)

In other words, this means the the flight didn't have pre-clearance. I don't think it's ridiculous per say. The US BTW is not the only country that requires passengers to pass through customs even for transiting passengers, China is exactly the same.

[Kapten]

Any chance we'll see any of these markets open up from YVR with the 787?

New Dehli
São Paulo
Buenos Aires
Johannesburg
Tel Aviv

[YVR Bruce]

[QUOTE=Kapten;6263746]Any chance we'll see any of these markets open up from YVR with the 787?

Doubtful

YYZ will get J'burg before a YVR-New Delhi link.
I'd bet on YVR-IST before listed destinations

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Kapten

Any chance we'll see any of these markets open up from YVR with the 787?

New Dehli
São Paulo
Buenos Aires
Johannesburg
Tel Aviv

[QUOTE=YVR Bruce;6263817]

Originally Posted by Kapten

Any chance we'll see any of these markets open up from YVR with the 787?

Doubtful

YYZ will get J'burg before a YVR-New Delhi link.
I'd bet on YVR-IST before listed destinations

Toronto is within the 787 range to Jo'burg, might get it (and probably will).
There has been mention of a Vancouver > Sao Paulo route, of which a HK > Sao Paolo run, with a stopover in YVR, is only 306 miles longer than HK> Sao Paolo via Toronto (keeping in mind that Sao Paolo is more of a financial centre than Buenos Aires). Toronto will have YYZ - IST double-daily according to their press releases, but if there's the demand, Star Alliance Turkish might fly here, if the just-renewed bilateral permits it. Sure hope they do.

Vancouver to New Delhi seems justified according to the demographics, but again, Toronto seems to have that locked down, with Air India returning there, and planned AC 787 service Toronto-New Delhi.
The only planned 787 service out of YVR is Brisbane and Frankfurt (which we already have with both AC and LH, anyway).
I'd love to see YVR > IST, though. Great location for the Middle East, Persian Gulf, Eastern Mediterranean and East Africa.
(This according to the marketing dep't at YVR.)

[trofirhen]

CPA62 From Canada, joined Jan 2012, 32 posts, RR: 0

A possible future route for Vancouver? Lan Chile reps departed Vancouver earlier this month. They are eyeing service to Vancouver on a routing SCL-LIM-YVR. A business study was completed on the possibility of this route,
the results are apparently very favourable in terms of cargo, business traffic and connection possibilities with One World.
Departure from Lima would be late evening for arrival into Vancouver morning next day. No word on when but it is apparently in the works? Don't think there is an agreement in place between Canada and Chile for such a route?

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5422413/

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

The only planned 787 service out of YVR is Brisbane and Frankfurt (which we already have with both AC and LH, anyway).

Not necessarily true. These would be new routes but the 787 is planned to replace some current routes operated by 763s now.
FRA is not served by AC from YVR, yet. LH flies year-round and Condor and Air Transat fly seasonal YVR-FRA.
In addition, there are a couple of other Asian routes that are being looked at by AC. So there might be another Asian route ex YVR on the horizon as well.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Not necessarily true. These would be new routes but the 787 is planned to replace some current routes operated by 763s now.
FRA is not served by AC from YVR, yet. LH flies year-round and Condor and Air Transat fly seasonal YVR-FRA.
In addition, there are a couple of other Asian routes that are being looked at by AC. So there might be another Asian route ex YVR on the horizon as well.

>> checking the Air Canada route map, it shows Frankfurt among two other European destinations:Munich (which is seasonal as we know), and the other of course, LHR. I might assume that they list Frankurt as one of "their" destinations because of *Alliance/codeshare with LH (?)

>> More Asian routes, great!! but I wish they'd turn their interests elsewhere, too, like a route to Istanbul or such. Yield-factor problems, no doubt.
Oh, and do you think we might ever get Singapore back?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by whatnext

But was it a same plane flight. I believe the difference was that AC's YVR-HNL-SYD was one plane carrying both US-bound and Int'l travellers. Despite preclearance eveyone continuing on had to go through the Immigration dog and pony show in HNL.

No, I had to switch planes. Went through security at YVR, which effectively means you're considered to be on US soil at YVR (for the purposes of immigration).

YVR-HNL-SYD sounds like it flew as an international flight. I'm not sure how long ago this was, but I bet if it was reinstated it'd go through transborder.

[satishreddy]

I took the Air Canada YVR-HNL-SYD flight several times during 2003-2006.

For the southbound flight, US pre-clearance was done in Vancouver. During the stop at HNL, everyone got off the plane. No customs and immigration in HNL.

For the northbound flight, everyone got off the plane in HNL and went through US customs. We then went upstairs and got back on the plane to Vancouver.

The stop in HNL was around midnight in both directions, so just as one was sleeping or about to fall asleep, one had to get up and get off the plane -a great inconvenience.

On one occasion in January 2005, the southbound flight had only a tech stop in HNL. Nobody got off the plane. The northbound flight was non-stop. The non-stop flight was heavenly - luckily I was in business class.

The above flights were with the B767-300 and the A340-300. Once Air Canada received the 777-200L, it flew that plane YVR-SYD non-stop, making it a much more pleasant experience and avoiding US customs. I flew the non-stop flight in 2011.

[Valley_Refugee]

A possible future route for Vancouver? Lan Chile reps departed Vancouver earlier this month. They are eyeing service to Vancouver on a routing SCL-LIM-YVR. A business study was completed on the possibility of this route,
the results are apparently very favourable in terms of cargo, business traffic and connection possibilities with One World.
Departure from Lima would be late evening for arrival into Vancouver morning next day. No word on when but it is apparently in the works? Don't think there is an agreement in place between Canada and Chile for such a route?

I was actually just about to muse on the possibility of a YVR-SCL route, given that both cities are huge mining centres. I work for a large national law firm in Vancouver and we have ties with firms in Chile as many of our mining clients have business there and vice versa. It's one route that might generate pretty decent business yield.

The Canada-Peru CTA allows for service between Lima and Vancouver. The Canada-Chile CTA restricts fifth freedoms from Chile to Canada as stopping over at Miami and New York, but that could either be changed or it could be LAN Peru operated.

[ACT7]

[QUOTE=trofirhen;6263869]

Originally Posted by YVR Bruce

Toronto is within the 787 range to Jo'burg, might get it (and probably will).
There has been mention of a Vancouver > Sao Paulo route, of which a HK > Sao Paolo run, with a stopover in YVR, is only 306 miles longer than HK> Sao Paolo via Toronto (keeping in mind that Sao Paolo is more of a financial centre than Buenos Aires). Toronto will have YYZ - IST double-daily according to their press releases, but if there's the demand, Star Alliance Turkish might fly here, if the just-renewed bilateral permits it. Sure hope they do.

Vancouver to New Delhi seems justified according to the demographics, but again, Toronto seems to have that locked down, with Air India returning there, and planned AC 787 service Toronto-New Delhi.
The only planned 787 service out of YVR is Brisbane and Frankfurt (which we already have with both AC and LH, anyway).
I'd love to see YVR > IST, though. Great location for the Middle East, Persian Gulf, Eastern Mediterranean and East Africa.
(This according to the marketing dep't at YVR.)

Where did you hear about those two things? (the bolded part).