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View Poll Results: Which of the designs would you like to see become the new Lansdowne 'Front Lawn'?
Option A: "One Park, Four Landscapes" 12 11.88%
Option B: "Win Place Show" 23 22.77%
Option C: "A Force of Nature" 14 13.86%
Option D: "All Roads Lead to Aberdeen" 16 15.84%
Option E: "The Canal Park in Ottawa" 18 17.82%
None of the above. Please keep my ashphalt. 18 17.82%
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Wasn't there a percentage of "uniqueness" that had to be reached?

Some opponents (not necessarily alecz_dad, I don't recall) acted as though not only should every store be new to Ottawa, but they should also sell products that can not currently be bought in Ottawa. That's a little extreme.

I think the actual agreement is something like 35% of retailers or some such. It may be mentioned in the article that is linked above, but I can't view it because I've gotten all my Citizen freebies for the month.
I am not sure if it was ever an agreement at least in the formal sense. The local business association (The Bank Street BIA), had asked that they hold back on leasing a certain percentage of the space until closer to the completion time. The reason being that smaller unique, local stores tend to go looking for space that is already available to lease (ie actually built) rather than projecting years in advance for future space the way large chain can and do.

It is not so much that local stuff couldn't lease the space. Smaller businesses lease much of the more expensive space in the city (market, sussex, etc..) The big block players on the other hand tend to grab up huge cheap suburban space. The thing with the bigger players is they have have planning departments so they can beat others to the punch. Good retail space actually pretty hard to get in Canada. This is why Target sent billions to get Zeller's leases. They could care less about Zeller's. It was just the space they wanted.
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Hmmm... Perhaps its wishful thinking, however given the fact they continue to build the cinema makes me think they might be waiting for a bigger separate announcement that Ottawa will finally get a Paramount/Scotiabank Theatre.
Oh yeah, that's a great place for it!
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I see Mark Cohon and Jim Watson are having a Topping Off Ceremony for the south side stands today. Love the project, but hate meaningless ceremonies.
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Video: Lansdowne's new south side stands

The completion of concrete work Monday at Lansdowne's new south side stands for the new multi-purpose stadium.

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It’s crunch time for Lansdowne project

Critical questions about $400M redevelopment remain unanswered

By Joanne Chianello, OTTAWA CITIZEN September 30, 2013


OTTAWA — There were moments during Monday’s press conference at Lansdowne Park when the construction noise was so loud it virtually drowned out the speakers. Someone quipped that the construction schedule is so inflexible workers couldn’t take a break, even for an hour-long event.

Except that it wasn’t really a joke.

“It’s on schedule, but it’s going to be tight,” said Roger Greenberg, one the business partners in the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment Group, which teamed up with the City of Ottawa to redevelop Lansdowne.

OSEG has held a Canadian Football League franchise since 2008, and it’s the group’s desire to bring professional football back to Ottawa that fuelled a years-long, controversial process that ended up in the $400-million redevelopment deal that includes refurbishing Frank Clair Stadium.

The newly named REDBLACKS team is set to kick off in early July 2014. At least, that’s the hope. Greenberg said the CFL could buy the OSEG-city partnership a little more time by scheduling the Ottawa team’s first few games out of town. But what happens if something goes wrong that causes, say, a delay of two months? Or even one month? After all, the REDBLACKS can’t just play away games until August.

We’ll deal with that if it happens, said CFL commissioner Mark Cohon. And anyway, added Greenberg, that’s not going to happen.

“I’m confident it will be open midsummer, first of July.”

Indeed, there was a lot of confidence in the air on the Lansdowne construction site on Monday afternoon. Asked about the surprise sale by Sobeys of its Empire Theatres chain, Greenberg said he was “not in a position to talk about that yet.”

OSEG has a signed lease with Empire for a state-of-the-art multi-screen cinema at Lansdowne, but it’s very unclear what the sale of the movie chain means for the Ottawa project.

And yet, Greenberg has “every confidence that we will end up with a very high-quality, unique-to-Ottawa theatre experience at Lansdowne.”

Good to know that Roger Greenberg is such an optimist.

The fact is, it’s crunch time for the massive project, and there are still some questions outstanding.

One of those is the retail mix for the 360,000-square-foot shopping and entertainment section of the park. There’s been a significant amount of criticism that the retailers thought to be coming to Lansdowne are not really “unique”, as originally promised. There’s an LCBO signed — a really nice one, we’re told — and a Whole Foods grocery store, which will be an Ottawa first. But the retail mix will also likely include a couple of banks and a drugstore.

Greenberg said OSEG will absolutely live up to its agreement to bring new retailers to Ottawa, adding that 65 per cent of the space is leased -- “signed, sealed and delivered,” he said — while serious negotiations are underway for another 20 per cent. Unfortunately, the retailers don’t want their names released yet, but Greenberg hopes to announce them in the next couple of months. Then we can really judge what sort of shopping experience Lansdowne might offer.

This fall should also see the release of additional information on city’s part of the project — which is costing taxpayers $218 million up front — including the Aberdeen Pavilion, the Horticulture Building and the urban park on the east side of the site.

According to Mayor Jim Watson, the city will issue a report about the possible uses for both those heritage buildings before the year’s end. Although the Aberdeen Pavilion isn’t widely used in the dead of winter due to heating restrictions, Watson mused that the Ottawa Farmers’ Market could use it “a couple days a week” in the post-market season if local growers have enough produce. The mayor also envisions a rotating exhibit or event each month in 2017 to celebrate the country’s sesquicentennial.

Ideas for the Horticulture Building include a café and a community kitchen on the ground floor, and possibly city staff offices on the upper level.

While there’s lots of information headed our way over the next few months, there’ll be a lot of folks holding their breath that the stadium is game-ready by July 1.

As for getting the rest of the project online, well, it might not be the smoothest transition.

The Fury FC soccer team, for instance, will have to play the first part of its season off-site; there’s no way Frank Clair Stadium will be ready for the soccer’s April launch, but should be open for the second half of the North American Soccer League’s season.

And don’t expect the condo and office towers to be completed by next summer. Or all of the retail.

“You don’t just open 360,000 square feet all at once,” said Greenberg.

And while the infrastructure for the urban park should be installed by next fall, the planting might be delayed, so it won’t actually look like a park until the spring or summer of 2015.

The biggest question, which no one addressed Monday, was the transportation issue. And we’re not just talking about managing traffic on game day — the city is concocting a convoluted plan for off-site satellite parking — but on a regular Saturday. Getting into the Lansdowne parking lot off Bank Street on a hazardous-waste drop-off day was a challenge. What about when there’s 360,000 square feet of retail luring shoppers? Or worse, what happens to those retailers if getting there gets too hard?

And yet, it’s hard to deny the excitement in the dusty air at Lansdowne. Pity the poor residents who live nearby and will have to put up with construction for many more months — and Bank Street traffic for who knows how long. But it is encouraging to see something actually happening at Lansdowne, even if you don’t agree with how it all happened.

Will it work? That debate is long past. All we can do now is wait. And cross our fingers.

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Yesterday Joanne Chianello had the temerity to raise some of those bothersome, unanswered questions about the Lansdowne scheme: It’s crunch time for Lansdowne project: Critical questions about $400M redevelopment remain unanswered.

"The biggest question, which no one addressed Monday, was the transportation issue. And we’re not just talking about managing traffic on game day — the city is concocting a convoluted plan for off-site satellite parking — but on a regular Saturday. Getting into the Lansdowne parking lot off Bank Street on a hazardous-waste drop-off day was a challenge. What about when there’s 360,000 square feet of retail luring shoppers? Or worse, what happens to those retailers if getting there gets too hard?"

A typical Saturday afternoon on Bank Street in 2014?




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I see Mark Cohon and Jim Watson are having a Topping Off Ceremony for the south side stands today. Love the project, but hate meaningless ceremonies.
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Yesterday Joanne Chianello had the temerity to raise some of those bothersome, unanswered questions about the Lansdowne scheme: It’s crunch time for Lansdowne project: Critical questions about $400M redevelopment remain unanswered.

"The biggest question, which no one addressed Monday, was the transportation issue. And we’re not just talking about managing traffic on game day — the city is concocting a convoluted plan for off-site satellite parking — but on a regular Saturday. Getting into the Lansdowne parking lot off Bank Street on a hazardous-waste drop-off day was a challenge. What about when there’s 360,000 square feet of retail luring shoppers? Or worse, what happens to those retailers if getting there gets too hard?"

A typical Saturday afternoon on Bank Street in 2014?
We've discussed AD NAUSEAM that traffic patterns and driving has been shown all over the world to be driven by ease and parking availability.

If parking and driving get too hard, ie bussing/walking/cabbing/biking/long-boarding/unicycling get easier, then the masses will choose these methods instead.

If you were clear about your REAL concern (be it folks parking on your quiet street, or simply more people in your neighbourhood or god knows what else) we might be better able to explain it. Or, conversely, help you realize this is life in the core of a city and suggesting you deal with it.

But trying to beat the traffic/parking bit again where it's been debated to death, is simply transparent.
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Is it just me?

I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks the design of the stadium is mediocre at best? Don't get me wrong, I support the Lansdowne development and I am happy the project went ahead. But let's be honest about what we're getting here ... a refurbishment. Or, if you prefer, a half a new stadium. There's no symmetry whatsoever between the new south side and the 70's looking decrepit north side. It's like they didn't even try. To the south, a decent looking grandstand with an interesting veil. To the north, a bunch of seats fastened to an ugly flat slab under a completely different (and ugly) looking roof system. Under that, an awkward looking arena.

Again, I'm glad this development is moving forward. It's definitely a huge improvement that needed to happen. But I think headlines like "Lansdowne's Wow Factor" in today's Sun are a bit much. There are many places in the world where they are building impressive NEW stadiums (heck, even in Winnipeg). As far as refurbished stadiums go, this one is okay. I guess.
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Yesterday Joanne Chianello had the temerity to raise some of those bothersome, unanswered questions about the Lansdowne scheme: It’s crunch time for Lansdowne project: Critical questions about $400M redevelopment remain unanswered.

"The biggest question, which no one addressed Monday, was the transportation issue. And we’re not just talking about managing traffic on game day — the city is concocting a convoluted plan for off-site satellite parking — but on a regular Saturday. Getting into the Lansdowne parking lot off Bank Street on a hazardous-waste drop-off day was a challenge. What about when there’s 360,000 square feet of retail luring shoppers? Or worse, what happens to those retailers if getting there gets too hard?"

A typical Saturday afternoon on Bank Street in 2014?
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Transit issues have been addressed, and as ThaLoveDocta mentioned, prior statistics speak for themselves.
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I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks the design of the stadium is mediocre at best? Don't get me wrong, I support the Lansdowne development and I am happy the project went ahead. But let's be honest about what we're getting here ... a refurbishment. Or, if you prefer, a half a new stadium. There's no symmetry whatsoever between the new south side and the 70's looking decrepit north side. It's like they didn't even try. To the south, a decent looking grandstand with an interesting veil. To the north, a bunch of seats fastened to an ugly flat slab under a completely different (and ugly) looking roof system. Under that, an awkward looking arena.

Again, I'm glad this development is moving forward. It's definitely a huge improvement that needed to happen. But I think headlines like "Lansdowne's Wow Factor" in today's Sun are a bit much. There are many places in the world where they are building impressive NEW stadiums (heck, even in Winnipeg). As far as refurbished stadiums go, this one is okay. I guess.
I've always liked the new stadium design, but when I saw pics of Winnipeg's stadium last week I was in awe. It looks as good as some NFL stadiums. I don't know if our stadium is on that level.
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Winnipeg's was also designed to be able to put a roof on easier in the future if they choose to do so.
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Traffic on a downtown street in a major metropolitan area? Has this ever happened before?
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Seriously?? You're at this again??

Have you not figured out, the contributors to this website for the Ottawa area are the usual suspects - we have all heard your anti-Lansdowne rants before. We get it, you don't like what's happening there. Isn't the first step to recovery acceptance? I thought you'd have made more progress by now.

How about you go around Westboro, ByWard Market, Little Italy, Wellington Village, etc... on a weekend and take a few shots of the traffic? Spoiler alert, they won't look much different than that photo of the Bank St. The National Capital Region is over 1M, when you have that many people in an area, you're going to get traffic.

Can we please move on from this useless anti-Lansdowne bashing now?

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Yesterday Joanne Chianello had the temerity to raise some of those bothersome, unanswered questions about the Lansdowne scheme: It’s crunch time for Lansdowne project: Critical questions about $400M redevelopment remain unanswered.

"The biggest question, which no one addressed Monday, was the transportation issue. And we’re not just talking about managing traffic on game day — the city is concocting a convoluted plan for off-site satellite parking — but on a regular Saturday. Getting into the Lansdowne parking lot off Bank Street on a hazardous-waste drop-off day was a challenge. What about when there’s 360,000 square feet of retail luring shoppers? Or worse, what happens to those retailers if getting there gets too hard?"

A typical Saturday afternoon on Bank Street in 2014?


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I've said this before in many forums, I'm not sure how you judge a project when it's mid-way through construction. Renderings are one thing, but most projects aren't exact replicas of their renderings. I'll reserve my judgement until next summer/fall. But solely basing my opinion on the renderings, I like the whole project a lot. I think it will be a great new addition to the city. Like anything, it could have been more extravagant, and perhaps it could have improved in places, but there's a budget they have to adhere to.

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I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks the design of the stadium is mediocre at best? Don't get me wrong, I support the Lansdowne development and I am happy the project went ahead. But let's be honest about what we're getting here ... a refurbishment. Or, if you prefer, a half a new stadium. There's no symmetry whatsoever between the new south side and the 70's looking decrepit north side. It's like they didn't even try. To the south, a decent looking grandstand with an interesting veil. To the north, a bunch of seats fastened to an ugly flat slab under a completely different (and ugly) looking roof system. Under that, an awkward looking arena.

Again, I'm glad this development is moving forward. It's definitely a huge improvement that needed to happen. But I think headlines like "Lansdowne's Wow Factor" in today's Sun are a bit much. There are many places in the world where they are building impressive NEW stadiums (heck, even in Winnipeg). As far as refurbished stadiums go, this one is okay. I guess.

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Seriously?? You're at this again??

Have you not figured out, the contributors to this website for the Ottawa area are the usual suspects - we have all heard your anti-Lansdowne rants before. We get it, you don't like what's happening there. Isn't the first step to recovery acceptance? I thought you'd have made more progress by now.

How about you go around Westboro, ByWard Market, Little Italy, Wellington Village, etc... on a weekend and take a few shots of the traffic? Spoiler alert, they won't look much different than that photo of the Bank St. The National Capital Region is over 1M, when you have that many people in an area, you're going to get traffic.

Can we please move on from this useless anti-Lansdowne bashing now?
Better yet - take a stroll down King West, Queen West, Spadina, or Eglinton near Younge street. (periphery core streets, not downtown)

Then we'll talk.
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I've said this before in many forums, I'm not sure how you judge a project when it's mid-way through construction. Renderings are one thing, but most projects are exact replicas of their renderings. I'll reserve my judgement until next summer/fall. But solely basing my opinion on the renderings, I like the whole project a lot. I think it will be a great new addition to the city. Like anything, it could have been more extravagant, and perhaps it could have improved in places, but there's a budget they have to adhere to.
I will wait and see too, but I think the renderings are pretty clear in terms of demonstrating the lack of continuity and symmetry between the new vs. the refurbished. The new is curvy and modern. The refurbished has only hard edges and is dated (yeah, nice girders). I don't see how that's gonna somehow change in the final product. I'm not an architect, but I have to think they could have incorporated some of the wood veil materials over to the north side? Maybe have some curvature to the replaced roof on the north side? I know there were budget restraints, but my God they could have done something. As it is, there is nothing that visually connects one side to the other.

It's going to be nice, but I don't think it's going to be great. That's all I'm saying. It will be respectable, but a showpiece for others to gawk and awe at? C'mon now.
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I think it would have been a big mistake to somehow make the north stands curvy and more similar to the south stands. Lipstick on a pig or something like that. I agree that the two are somewhat incongruous, but I'm okay with that. Someday the north stands will need to be replaced, and something more in line with the south stands can take their place.
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Keep in mind, unlike most stadiums, Lansdowne is not symmetrical - the Civic Centre (or whatever name-of-the-month it's called nowadays) is under the north stands. It was a cost issue to renovate the north stands and arena rather than start from scratch - though I have no doubt the architects would have preferred the latter.
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If some got there way and a central park was built the traffic would be the same if not worse.
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