Edmonton Construction 11 (November 2011) - Page 450

brenGT2 · #**8981** Posted **Sep 6, 2013, 4:11 AM**

I stopped by the Pearl and Beth Shalom today to see the progress. Here are some pictures from this afternoon.

Pearl:

Pearl Construction Update: September 5, 2013 by brenGT2, on Flickr

Pearl Construction Update: September 5, 2013 by brenGT2, on Flickr

Beth Shalom:

Beth Shalom Construction Update: September 5, 2013 by brenGT2, on Flickr

240glt · #**8982** Posted **Sep 6, 2013, 2:16 PM**

70837083-007
29-Aug-2013
10530 - 111 STREET NW
Plan B4 Blk 11 Lots 212-217
10510 - 111 STREET NW
Plan 1320011 Blk 11 Lot 121A
To construct Hording (fencing on
111 street) for the construction of
an Apartment House (120
Dwellings) with main floor Retail
Use. To be Removed on or Before
February 28, 2014
SYNERGY PROJECTS LTD., PATRICK

Coldrsx · #**8983** Posted **Sep 6, 2013, 3:24 PM**

Horizon Project I presume.

Coldrsx · #**8984** Posted **Sep 7, 2013, 4:15 PM**

Edmonton's love affair with the suburburbs must end.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/...dure+researcher+warns/8879559/story.html

Hallsy's Toupee · #**8985** Posted **Sep 7, 2013, 10:20 PM**

Someone please tell me what the deal is with the Jasper Block? The entire thing's been sitting there empty with For Sale signs on it for nearly a year now.

EdmTrekker · #**8986** Posted **Sep 7, 2013, 11:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hallsy's Toupee

Someone please tell me what the deal is with the Jasper Block? The entire thing's been sitting there empty with For Sale signs on it for nearly a year now.

I think it is still for sale. I believe it has a historic designation so what would you/can you do with it. And thats a lot of $$ being asked given what it is with zip parking.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17836130/10516-Jasper-Avenue-Edmonton-AB/

kcantor · #**8987** Posted **Sep 8, 2013, 1:25 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdmTrekker

I think it is still for sale. I believe it has a historic designation so what would you/can you do with it. And thats a lot of $$ being asked given what it is with zip parking.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17836130/10516-Jasper-Avenue-Edmonton-AB/

all of the facades were retained but all of original structure including foundations and floors and all building systems within them - as well as the 4th floor expansion - was replaced with new construction. the basement was converted to parking with access from the lane and there is surface parking/loading off of the lane as well. there are no use restrictions i am aware of as a result of the historic designation on the façade. hodgson schilf were the architects.

Qafir Arnaut · #**8988** Posted **Sep 8, 2013, 1:36 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin_foster

Quebec City has 419,702 more rental apartments than Edmonton? 170,000 more than TO?

Or is it supposed to be 41,000?

It's probably correct. French culture does not put as much value on home ownership as NA Anglos

Jaws · #**8989** Posted **Sep 8, 2013, 2:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by Qafir Arnaut

It's probably correct. French culture does not put as much value on home ownership as NA Anglos

Probably not correct. 477k rental units in Quebec City and 80k Montreal? I'll venture a guess that there aren't even 477000 total dwellings in Quebec City.

Chadillaccc · #**8990** Posted **Sep 8, 2013, 8:06 PM**

As of 2011, Quebec City only had 255 785 dwellings, while Edmonton had 348 672 dwellings.

Source: http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recens...unt&SearchType=Begins&SearchPR=01&B1=All

Coldrsx · #**8991** Posted **Sep 8, 2013, 9:18 PM**

Hallsy's Toupee · #**8992** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 4:35 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Edmonton's love affair with the suburburbs must end.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/...dure+researcher+warns/8879559/story.html

Disputed:
http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/experts-disag...ty-of-edmonton-suburban-growth-1.1445751

feepa · #**8993** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 2:04 PM**

^

the shameless downtown boosters over at c2e would have you believe that everyone, their family and dog should live downtown in an 800 sqft condo tower, no matter where they work or play. It don't matter if you live closer to your work, you should live downtown... because (insert deadly silence here).
Downtown and central areas are severely lacking in housing stock that I would even remotely consider buying into. Beyond that, most people in this city work outside of the central areas, so like me, it makes no sense to locate downtown (anymore). Downtown also doesn't offer the central living lifestyle that you find in most larger centers like Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal... Fix those two issues and you'll see a lot more people choosing to live centrally.

Coldrsx · #**8994** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 2:16 PM**

^not at all. What many of us would say is we would like people to consider other options when and if they choose to relocate ie. mature neighbourhoods. It is a reality that many don't want to live in a condo, that's fine, but there are other options and more coming. That said, we need more townhouses, infill and renovations to provide those housing options. While downtown needs more, much more, I have everything (other than ocean/lake) those other cities offer and have lived downtown Van and spent plenty of time 'living' downtown/central Toronto.

feepa · #**8995** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 2:22 PM**

There isn't very much for 'other options' and 'more coming' is not really evident at all.... I gave up, like many others have 'waiting' for 'more coming' that's been bandied about for 20 or more years now. More is not 'coming'.
Reality is central living is at best okay for the 20% that work downtown, as long as they are also okay with living in a condo tower with limited space, and have no family. But the real reality is that for the other 80%, it doesn't make any sense at all to live downtown or centrally, as the work force is outside of the core. Leduc, Fort Sask, Acheson, NW Industrail, etc etc, etc, etc,. On top of the work force working outside of the core, the attraction to live centrally is not there, like it is for other major centers. Downtown and central living is much different in Edmonton than it is in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. There are no shops and restaurants open late, everything closes down really early, and you are forced to travel to the burbs to get what you need.... It's highly laughable when you say you have all the same amenties here in central Edmonton that you do in central TO or Van.... You are fooling only yourself.

dansk · #**8996** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 2:54 PM**

When I moved back to Edmonton I wanted to live downtown and even put a downpayment on a condo. The ideal of living downtown is amazing, but the reality of living downtown is not as rosey for those of us that work outside the core (which is the majority of Edmontonians). Edmonton at this point has employment areas around the edges of the city.

If you look at Edmonton compared to other cities in North America that we compete with in attracting people to live in, we are doing much better than we used to. Look at how dense new areas are compared to those built in the 50-80's. As our current mayor has stated, we need to have a vareity of living options. Downtown is an ideal that many would like, but not realistic. We would have taken up much more of an environmental footprint by living in the core, due to the amount of driving we would have been doing on a daily commute.

Bring my job downtown and I would move in a heartbeat or an older community. Give it a few more years and downtown will have more business due to companies actually wanting to be part of the core. We are getting there but slowly.

Xelebes · #**8997** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 3:04 PM**

I prefer to call it "using the whole city."

Coldrsx · #**8998** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 3:43 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by feepa

There isn't very much for 'other options' and 'more coming' is not really evident at all.... I gave up, like many others have 'waiting' for 'more coming' that's been bandied about for 20 or more years now. More is not 'coming'.
Reality is central living is at best okay for the 20% that work downtown, as long as they are also okay with living in a condo tower with limited space, and have no family. But the real reality is that for the other 80%, it doesn't make any sense at all to live downtown or centrally, as the work force is outside of the core. Leduc, Fort Sask, Acheson, NW Industrail, etc etc, etc, etc,. On top of the work force working outside of the core, the attraction to live centrally is not there, like it is for other major centers. Downtown and central living is much different in Edmonton than it is in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. There are no shops and restaurants open late, everything closes down really early, and you are forced to travel to the burbs to get what you need.... It's highly laughable when you say you have all the same amenties here in central Edmonton that you do in central TO or Van.... You are fooling only yourself.

Call it what you want, but I find no real difference to my day to day (other than simply more options) living centrally here vs. there.

Coldrsx · #**8999** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 5:01 PM**

Nearctic 121st proposal going to Council on the 16th, 3 townhouses, 5 laneway and tower above.

http://sirepub.edmonton.ca/sirepub/cache/2/dyd52czjpnpohdcgycm10z4b/25477509092013105756667.PDF

ue · #**9000** Posted **Sep 9, 2013, 5:09 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by feepa

Downtown also doesn't offer the central living lifestyle that you find in most larger centers like Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal... Fix those two issues and you'll see a lot more people choosing to live centrally.

I really don't get why people lump Calgary into these groupings. They may have a bit more options and a bit more construction compared to Edmonton, but I'd hardly call it up there with the big three. I don't find Calgary terribly different from Edmonton in this area, aside from Calgary being a bit further ahead in shifting the mentality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by feepa

There isn't very much for 'other options' and 'more coming' is not really evident at all.... I gave up, like many others have 'waiting' for 'more coming' that's been bandied about for 20 or more years now. More is not 'coming'.
Reality is central living is at best okay for the 20% that work downtown, as long as they are also okay with living in a condo tower with limited space, and have no family. But the real reality is that for the other 80%, it doesn't make any sense at all to live downtown or centrally, as the work force is outside of the core. Leduc, Fort Sask, Acheson, NW Industrail, etc etc, etc, etc,. On top of the work force working outside of the core, the attraction to live centrally is not there, like it is for other major centers. Downtown and central living is much different in Edmonton than it is in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal. There are no shops and restaurants open late, everything closes down really early, and you are forced to travel to the burbs to get what you need.... It's highly laughable when you say you have all the same amenties here in central Edmonton that you do in central TO or Van.... You are fooling only yourself.

Vancouver and Portland are both pretty decentralized, yet are held in high esteem among urban planners. I don't see why Edmonton can't have a vibrant city centre even if more people work in Acheson or Nisku or Refinery Row than downtown.

Of course Downtown Edmonton doesn't have the amenities of Downtown Toronto. That's a silly comparison. Toronto's an older, bigger, and more prominent city than Edmonton. Downtown Toronto has over 100,000 people compared to Edmonton's, what, 13,000?

Isn't it widely known that Vancouver too closes up early for a "big" city?

The points of comparison here are a bit silly, but the usual suspects nonetheless. Vancouver is the only one that is sort of realistic, but even it is pretty sleepy after dark like the other Western Canadian cities.