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Old Posted Jul 24, 2013, 6:09 PM
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Nice try?

I question how much you really know about architectural style in general based on your commentary.

Most of the remarkable historic structures we have here in the United States are revivalist in nature as it is, based on thousands of years of Roman/Italian, Greek, French, Spanish & English influence.

We, as a country are very new in terms of world timelines. Most of our heritage is borrowed from the millions of immigrants who traveled here and brought along a piece of their former homes. Architecture is cyclical with many revivalism periods. Yes, we do have contemporary and modern cycles as well, but to disregard thousands of years of history as faux is fairly amateur in one's understanding.

Like DMTower and Stenar, I appreciate a great modern structure (like SL's new public safety bldg or the SL library, though even it combines contemporary w/ classic features) ...but in my opinion, varied styling is always best. A well done "recreation" will age well and will probably be admired 50+ years down the line as people have this same ongoing debate we have delved into today.
Okay, I finally have some time to respond to this. The reason I said that those were bad examples, is because none of those examples were built in modern times. In other words, they were all built back when load-bearing masonry was still the leading technology. Steel and concrete frame structures were not around just yet. Thus, my reasoning for saying that there were definite structural and programmatic reasons why those building were built they were built. Modern functionalism and aesthetics of lightweight cladding and glass were not yet discovered. And, besides, those buildings were typically a hodgepodge of classical masonry styles. And, maybe only one of those was more like Italian medieval architecture, which is what the new civic center was trying to mimic.

To respond to your reasoning about architectural recycling, here is my retort. Classical styles were borrowed and reborrowed many many times. But, now that we have the technology and very different modern functions and programs, that type of structure no longer fits these modern times. They also meant different things back then. Too often Americans look back with nostalgia of classical architecture, but without understanding the context, meanings, functions, and technological limitations that they were meant for back then. They then somewhat ignorantly try to recreate those past styles to modern programming, function, and technology. Most of the time, they do it cheaply and wrongly. They do it with wrong proportions, wrong context, etc. The Draper High School is a perfect example of a misappropriation of classical forms. Plus, there is no nearby examples of colonial architecture like that, except for maybe an old LDS chapel which borrowed from New England protestant churches. If there was a more traditional architectural form to pull from in pre-modern times commonly found in Draper, it would be a barn or something like that.

Regarding classical styles being resurrected and borrowing, the renaissance was about returning to more rational and proportional forms of Roman classical architecture. Vitruvius, a Roman military man, recorded the classical styles and architecture, and his writings were resurrected and used as inspiration during the Renaissance. After that, architects began playing around with different ways to reuse these architectural forms, such as arches, cornices, entablatures, keys, bases, roman columns, and pilasters, and decorative moldings over windows, pitched roofs, towers, domes, and cupolas. But, finally new technology were developed to meet the demands of an industrial/post-industrial/modern era. Load bearing masonry was not needed. Brave architects explored new rational forms of building cladding and aesthetics. We don't need to retreat to these old forms that were used for centuries and centuries. It was a different spirit of the times, and they didn;t know any better. but, now we do.

My biggest problem with trying to recreate past historical forms is that there is barely any context to justify a return to do that here, and it is typically done incorrectly, ie. bad proportions, cheap detailing, etc.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2013, 6:39 PM
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By the way, this building is the Springville Art Museum, not the old high school.

This blog shows the old high school and the museum, still in use as its original purpose.

Source: http://utahspresenthistory.blogspot.com/2011/03/springville-high-school-and-art-museum.html
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2013, 11:32 PM
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By the way, this building is the Springville Art Museum, not the old high school.

This blog shows the old high school and the museum, still in use as its original purpose.

Source: http://utahspresenthistory.blogspot.com/2011/03/springville-high-school-and-art-museum.html
Well you're both kind of right. It is the old art museum, but it was built as part of the high school. I'm not sure of the exact set up between the two entities, but the school owned it and it is owned by the Nebo School District today. It is the only part of the old high school that still stands, besides the seminary across the street.
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2013, 2:24 AM
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My biggest problem with trying to recreate past historical forms is that there is barely any context to justify a return to do that here, and it is typically done incorrectly, ie. bad proportions, cheap detailing, etc.
Why should buildings have to match an existing context? I'm just trying to understand your logic. Obviously if there is a well-established architectural context, i.e. characteristics that easily define an area, then it would make sense not to disrupt that with something out of harmony. Yalecrest is a good example of a community where context is precious. But in a community that is new and growing, what is the point of drawing from context? If every building had to have a precedent, nothing would ever be built. Nothing new or original would ever be created. Everything that is now prized and precious was once novel and out of place.

I don't mean to rehash what others have said; they make very good points. A community like Draper shouldn't be enslaved by its past as a 'cow town.' It has the opportunity to define itself, because it is young and growing, by whatever style it wants. Every civilization is created despite context. Its styles can only possibly be new or borrowed. Nothing truly belongs. What comes and what goes is all simply a matter of preference, and you seem to be ignoring the fact that these buildings reflect peoples' taste. You may find them to be in poor taste, but that doesn't make the architecture "bad" or "wrong." You may prefer classical forms in their respective contexts, but these are new creations; I think it would make more sense to argue why you think given classical characteristics would improve a structure's appearance (such as Stenar has done), rather than simply stating that they are ugly because they are unconvincing. If a musician sped up the tempo in a new rendition of a classic piece, it would no doubt be unpleasant to many. But does that make he/she any less of an artist simply because people don't like their (re)creation?
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2013, 5:24 AM
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2013, 12:10 AM
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Utah County No. 1 for economic vitality

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/ce...f7a0980-3009-5c92-b0ef-c48b05e2fa56.html

Genelle Pugmire - Daily Herald

...According to Provo's economic development director Dixon Holmes, "This isn't your mama's Provo or Utah County any more."

On Wednesday, G. Scott Thomas of the Philadelphia Business Journal reported that On Numbers Economic Index ranked the Provo/Orem metro area, which includes most of Utah County, as No. 1 in the nation for economic vitality. The index measures the monthly economic vitality of 102 major markets. The area has been No. 2 for four months...


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Old Posted Jul 26, 2013, 10:24 PM
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Tygr,

Spanish Fork foot the bill for Costco's lot improvements because of the ground. Spanish Fork also incentivized Costco by offering them their first 18 months of Utilities for Free, as well as a 2-3 year break on Property taxes. I'm not exactly sure of all the details, but I'm wondering if something like this could happen for Wal-mart as well? If so, that makes building a new Wal-mart a more attractive solution. . . I'm mostly thinking out loud. . . but I would doubt that the GM of Wal-mart in Springville will know too much about incentives tossed about to get a store in Spanish Fork. For the record, I think a Super Target would be a much better get for Spanish Fork
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Old Posted Jul 27, 2013, 4:15 PM
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Spanish Fork foot the bill for Costco's lot improvements because of the ground. Spanish Fork also incentivized Costco by offering them their first 18 months of Utilities for Free, as well as a 2-3 year break on Property taxes. I'm not exactly sure of all the details, but I'm wondering if something like this could happen for Wal-mart as well? If so, that makes building a new Wal-mart a more attractive solution. . . I'm mostly thinking out loud. . . but I would doubt that the GM of Wal-mart in Springville will know too much about incentives tossed about to get a store in Spanish Fork. For the record, I think a Super Target would be a much better get for Spanish Fork
I haven't heard anything about the city incentivizing Walmart yet. I do think that some of the same ground preparation (as was needed for Costco) will be needed for much of the land to the east (behind Food 4 Less, Kmart). It is yet to be seen who might foot the bill (hopefully the developer—and not the city).

Target was in the original plans back in 2007 when it all got started. Target had even agreed to be part of the development... until the Provo "East Bay" project was announced that would require a partial realignment of the golf course and right off the NB off-ramp. Target, Best Buy, and I believe PetSmart were announced as tenants. But, you can see how well progressed that project has moved along.

Had Target remained true to their commitment, it is possible we would have Target instead of Costco. I would be fine if Walmart backs out and Target jumps back in due to no progress on the "East Bay" project. I believe it's Spanish Fork's advantage right now.

In Nov. 2007 Chili's had approval from the Development Review Committee (p. 3) to build a location right where the Wells Fargo is being built by Costco. Unfortunately the economy collapsed and nothing came of it. Hopefully they consider looking at the area again.

The Planning Commission and City Council are reviewing Canyon Creek's signage plan on Tuesday.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2013, 10:18 PM
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Adobe's new Utah campus is showcased in Architectural Record

Adobe's new Utah campus is showcased in Architectural Record, the most popular architecture magazine: http://archrecord.construction.com/proje...stems-Utah-Campus-WRNS-Studio.asp?bts=OB

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Just north of Lehi, Utah, busy Interstate 15 winds like a river past a new campus for the technology giant Adobe. Situated between the highway and the steep Wasatch Mountains, with typical suburban sprawl and billboards just across the highway, the 38-acre site is in motorists' full view. With its strong form and contemporary material palette, this first phase of the campus, by the San Francisco–based design firms WRNS Studio (the core-and-shell architect) and Rapt Studio (which designed the interiors), is a bold and visible symbol for the software company. Silicon Valley–based Adobe chose Lehi for its newest facility because of its proximity to outdoor recreation and to numerous other technology companies. While employees can enjoy the mountains and nearby Utah Lake, Salt Lake City is just a 25-minute drive north on I-15.
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Despite its banality, the highway is “part of the topology of the place,” says Bryan Shiles, a principal at WRNS. It is “framed and captured as part of a larger painterly notion of landscape.” This is clear in the parti sketch for the Adobe Utah Campus, which includes three long lines drawn on the site so as to embrace the valley and mimic the adjacent Wasatch Range. Those lines developed into three four-story bar-shaped buildings, each bent slightly to follow the shifting topography and fit into the rough terrain. The first completed phase of the campus comprises a 200,000-square-foot office block and a connected 80,000-square-foot amenities building. The structures hug the ground in places and in others cantilever over it, with chamfered vertical metal fins rhythmically punctuating the steel-and-glass shell above the exposed concrete base









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I love seeing the Adobe Center every time I drive into Utah County. It's good to have it get some recognition.
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I love seeing the Adobe Center every time I drive into Utah County. It's good to have it get some recognition.
...look for some Adobe/Utah news potentially after their next earnings call
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Interesting article--nice to see for a Utah building. (I won't even whine about how I Wish They Had Built Something In Downtown SLC)
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Happy first day of School for the Alpine School District! The largest school district in the state has plans of increasing in size. Over the next 10 years there are plans to build up to 8 additional schools in the district. As I get information on where I will post it here. Education is extremely important, not just to businesses in the area, but also to families.
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Happy first day of School for the Alpine School District! The largest school district in the state has plans of increasing in size. Over the next 10 years there are plans to build up to 8 additional schools in the district. As I get information on where I will post it here. Education is extremely important, not just to businesses in the area, but also to families.
Here is a link to the conceptual plan for the new north Lehi High School (will probably be named Traverse Mountain or something to the effect). It will be located directly across the street (south) from the Ivory Ridge tennis club complex

http://alpineschools.org/bond-updates/new-high-school-lehi-update
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Alpine commissioners say no to townhouse proposal

ALPINE -- Some landowners don't want apartments in the city of Alpine, whether in the form of townhomes or condos. They got what they wanted.

Those who attended the Aug. 20 commission meeting gave a resounding "no" to the city's planning commissioners about developer Will Jones' proposed townhome overlay in Alpine's business district.

The commission's vote to give a recommendation to the city council was tied, and the townhome proposal died for lack of a majority.


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Thanks Bob for keeping us updated on the Xactware Project. It's very exciting for me to see the Silicon Slopes coming to fruition, having grown up in that area. I see where across I-15 the new Museum is moving right along.

Museum of Natural Curiosity at Thanksgiving Point

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Alpine commissioners say no to townhouse proposal

ALPINE -- Some landowners don't want apartments in the city of Alpine, whether in the form of townhomes or condos. They got what they wanted.

Those who attended the Aug. 20 commission meeting gave a resounding "no" to the city's planning commissioners about developer Will Jones' proposed townhome overlay in Alpine's business district.

The commission's vote to give a recommendation to the city council was tied, and the townhome proposal died for lack of a majority.


http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/no...e5d11d0-6c4a-5e11-a395-f528eebf4d00.html

I have to think that Alpine just needs the right proposal in the right location of town.(That could include authentically recreated Victorian Townhomes). No city in the greater metro has more potential to house a charming, walkable village center than Alpine. However, it has to be the right, historically accurate, high quality project. It's high time a group came up with the right proposal.
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The residents of Alpine are the most NIMBY people I've ever heard of. They really don't want anything other than the status quo to come to town and they don't want any more commercial either. They are completely satisfied with the amount of commercial they have and are apparently fine traveling to Highland to shop.

That is the exact reason I turned down the planning job in Alpine last year. The job was partially planning and partially code enforcement, but considering that the city council, mayor and most residents where completely content with how things are and wanted nothing to change, I didn't see a whole lot of planning happening and I really didn't want to spend the majority of my days writing people letters telling them their weeds were to tall of there manual was flowing into the neighbors yard.
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Future Mayor, I've purposly waited several days in order to make sure my response to your above post would be dialed back somewhat. IMO, the strokes you are making are way too broad.
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