Calgary 2013 Civic Census - Page 8

fusili · #**141** Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 6:53 PM**

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Yeah I don't get why people engage the guy, he has 100% proven that he doesn't care about logic or facts and is more interested in arguing.

It has also greatly improved my experience here. Instead of inanely arguing with a troll, we can have real discussions about how we think growth will occur, where development is more likely to occur next, how each project contributes to the urban environment, etc etc. Major improvement to my experience on this forum.

Deepstar · #**142** Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 7:44 PM**

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It has also greatly improved my experience here. Instead of inanely arguing with a troll, we can have real discussions about how we think growth will occur, where development is more likely to occur next, how each project contributes to the urban environment, etc etc. Major improvement to my experience on this forum.

Agreed. That's why I have blocked him too. I get that not everyone wants to live in the inner city, but there's a difference between that and just being a troll.

RyLucky · #**143** Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 10:25 PM**

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Well they are moving somewhere (possibly from other inner city areas to the Beltline), or do you feel they are simply dying and not being replaced, or transitioning to a homeless lifestyle?

It is not a major trend, but I think affordability is getting the best of some people.

I'm really curious what happens next year, given the flooding, and if over a number of years there remains an impact.

I assume that growth in both inner and outer city is from migration from other places (outside Calgary) and birth rate. Anecdotally, most people I know who live in the inner city once lived in the suburbs of calgary or another Canadian city. Most people I know on the suburbs have never really lived anywhere urban except maybe during university or while on vacation or something. Maybe it's just the circles I keep...

RyLucky · #**144** Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 10:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Calgarian

Yeah I don't get why people engage the guy, he has 100% proven that he doesn't care about logic or facts and is more interested in arguing.

Sympathy for the Devil's advocate?

RyLucky · #**145** Posted **Jul 26, 2013, 10:31 PM**

Like it or not, there are a lot of people who actually think like suburbia. He/she is an important voice in that sense, no?

ST1 · #**146** Posted **Aug 1, 2013, 8:26 PM**

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Like it or not, there are a lot of people who actually think like suburbia. He/she is an important voice in that sense, no?

No.

suburbia · #**147** Posted **Aug 1, 2013, 8:37 PM**

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No.

Boy - the extremism I've seen in comments like the several above is way beyond anything I feel I've shown. I just got over from the construction thread where I was commenting about how great a location the new Kensington brownstone project is in (Kensington is a fantastic inner city area in my books). I also regularly comment on skyscrapers, art installations, and even green spaces in and around the core. At the end of the day, I'm certainly happy that I'm not so narrow minded as some of the others.

Thank you RyLucky for the nod of confidence and for allowing for a diversity of voices.

I'm sure Calgarian is going to pipe-up now, as he really hates different opinions. I'm sure he'll go ahead and describe all of my posts ever made, right after admitting that he doesn't read (or even see) my posts. LOL!

Calgarian · #**148** Posted **Aug 1, 2013, 8:38 PM**

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Like it or not, there are a lot of people who actually think like suburbia. He/she is an important voice in that sense, no?

There's a difference between having a different point of view and using every negative thing that happens downtown to try and make a point. He cherry picks his arguments and refuses to acknowledge the arguments of others, that's just plain trolling.

And I do agree that there are a ton of people who are convinced downtown is scary and dangerous, and that's unfortunate because Calgary is probably one of the safest cities on the planet. Anyway, back to the numbers!

Deepstar · #**149** Posted **Aug 2, 2013, 12:28 AM**

Most of your posts are fine, it's the anti-Beltline ones that I don't agree with. If you prefer the suburbs to the inner city that's okay, but that shouldn't take away from the recent successes in the Beltline.

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Boy - the extremism I've seen in comments like the several above is way beyond anything I feel I've shown. I just got over from the construction thread where I was commenting about how great a location the new Kensington brownstone project is in (Kensington is a fantastic inner city area in my books). I also regularly comment on skyscrapers, art installations, and even green spaces in and around the core. At the end of the day, I'm certainly happy that I'm not so narrow minded as some of the others.

Thank you RyLucky for the nod of confidence and for allowing for a diversity of voices.

I'm sure Calgarian is going to pipe-up now, as he really hates different opinions. I'm sure he'll go ahead and describe all of my posts every made, right after admitting that he doesn't read (or even see) my posts. LOL!

MasterG · #**150** Posted **Aug 2, 2013, 1:04 AM**

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Like it or not, there are a lot of people who actually think like suburbia. He/she is an important voice in that sense, no?

We will make no distinction between those that are trolls and those that shelter them.

So say we all.

RyLucky · #**151** Posted **Aug 2, 2013, 1:21 AM**

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We will make no distinction between those that are trolls and those that shelter them.

So say we all.

lol.

You don't let bullies sit at your table?

Spring2008 · #**152** Posted **Sep 2, 2013, 4:57 PM**

Airdrie keeps doing its thing. Another year of close to 9% growth. The little village is about to surpass 50k.

http://www.airdrie.ca/index.cfm?serviceID=485

Doug · #**153** Posted **Sep 2, 2013, 6:51 PM**

With Calgary and Airdrie adding about 34K between them, total CMA growth could push 40K. That would be well over 3%.

Spring2008 · #**154** Posted **Sep 2, 2013, 8:00 PM**

^Oh yeah, for sure. Prob slightly higher than last year where we had ~42k growth, and about 44k including the municipalities south of the cities borders.

If we maintain the same % growth rates, we shouldn't be far off from 50k increases per year for the metro area. Also, only 2-3 years from surpassing 1.5million for the metro area including Okotoks/High River etc.

Wigs · #**155** Posted **Sep 2, 2013, 8:13 PM**

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Airdrie keeps doing its thing. Another year of close to 9% growth. The little village is about to surpass 50k.

http://www.airdrie.ca/index.cfm?serviceID=485

I knew it was growing fast but didn't think they'd hit 50k til next year. impressive!
somewhere between 2025-2030 they'll hit 100k, maybe sooner

Chadillaccc · #**156** Posted **Sep 3, 2013, 3:46 AM**

Holy shit! Pretty cool! They need to start planning for medium density and possibly a route for the Ctrain to make it into the city.

DizzyEdge · #**157** Posted **Sep 3, 2013, 7:24 PM**

It seems a reasonable route might be along the existing rail line, because a) it's relatively centered b) it would bring the LRT to the edge of Airdrie's 'downtown' c) assuming park and ride, it would funnel that traffic away from Highway 2 rather than having both car commuters and transit commuters pack the same roads heading toward #2.

MasterG · #**158** Posted **Sep 3, 2013, 8:10 PM**

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It seems a reasonable route might be along the existing rail line, because a) it's relatively centered b) it would bring the LRT to the edge of Airdrie's 'downtown' c) assuming park and ride, it would funnel that traffic away from Highway 2 rather than having both car commuters and transit commuters pack the same roads heading toward #2.

Would a commuter rail line work better? the distance is huge and most are only getting off on a few stops (Airdrie, Airport, 16th or 32 ave business access, Downtown).

Surely that is easier and much cheaper than a full new LRT line. Airdrie seems a no-brainer for commuter rail (once the transit connections are in place at the stops along the way)

Perhaps when Airdrie is 100,000+ and deerfoot is mega-congested?

DizzyEdge · #**159** Posted **Sep 3, 2013, 9:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by MasterG

Would a commuter rail line work better? the distance is huge and most are only getting off on a few stops (Airdrie, Airport, 16th or 32 ave business access, Downtown).

Surely that is easier and much cheaper than a full new LRT line. Airdrie seems a no-brainer for commuter rail (once the transit connections are in place at the stops along the way)

Perhaps when Airdrie is 100,000+ and deerfoot is mega-congested?

Good question, since it at 80km/hr you'd have about a 12 min gap between Calgary stations and one in Airdrie. At what point is the trip too small to bother with a commuter system?

MasterG · #**160** Posted **Sep 3, 2013, 10:38 PM**

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Good question, since it at 80km/hr you'd have about a 12 min gap between Calgary stations and one in Airdrie. At what point is the trip too small to bother with a commuter system?

Airdrie is around 35km, which would be a stretched LRT line, particularly if it had a stop every km or 2 like the other lines. Those stops would add up the minutes.

What do commuter rail lines cost? Given Airdrie's situation, I assume there would be alot of work to double track and station work downtown + other stops. But the route is there, as are all major bridges over the Bow etc. Likely no need for any further grade separation immediately.

Rolling stock + a few hundred million for track + stations? is that too low?