Winnipeg | Canadian Museum for Human Rights

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

When I look at it, I can't help but she someone flipping the bird. From the way the building "wraps" around that looks like fingers of a hand with the middle one out stretched.

But its great. The tower looks unfinished though. Is that by design? I was hoping they'd add a spotlight to the top like they had in New York and Vegas.

The tower has lighting that will only be used when the building officially opens.

There was a 100 hour burn in that was done last year. It looked okay, but the light seemed to get trapped in all the steel. Maybe they weren't turned on 100% or aimed differently.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

When I look at it, I can't help but she someone flipping the bird. From the way the building "wraps" around that looks like fingers of a hand with the middle one out stretched.

I've heard this many times but I just don't see it? I try to see it, force myself to imagine it but it just doesn't happen for me?

I see a truly amzaing piece of architecture and design, which on that point, would allow people's imagination to picture many different things. Be it doves or a finger as you say.
When every single person see's something else in the design of a structure...someone did thier job right.

[Arts]

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

When I look at it, I can't help but she someone flipping the bird. From the way the building "wraps" around that looks like fingers of a hand with the middle one out stretched.

But its great. The tower looks unfinished though. Is that by design? I was hoping they'd add a spotlight to the top like they had in New York and Vegas.

I don't see a middle finger, but now when I look at it from the glass side it strongly resembles a left hand wrapped around a baton of some sort.

[pegcity]

Maybe it's flipping the bird to racism?!

[Danny D Oh]

Too bad none of our influential families view overpasses, underpasses and interchanges or basic infrastructure maintenance as a pet project.

[chrisallard5454]

Originally Posted by Danny D Oh

Too bad none of our influential families view overpasses, underpasses and interchanges or basic infrastructure maintenance as a pet project.

Time to get over it. There really is no use complaining about it anymore, the building has been completed.

[bomberjet]

http://museumforhumanrights.ca/building-museum/museum-detail/archaeology#.Uh41_hsqiZY

Beneath the Canadian Museum for Human Rights
Archaeological work: 2008-2012 (see photos and links below)

The largest block excavation ever conducted in Manitoba got underway on the site of the Canadian Museum for Human Rights in June 2008, before construction began. The work, undertaken by Quaternary Consulting Ltd. under the direction of senior archaeologist Sid Kroker, took place over a five-month period.

During construction from 2009 to 2012, archaeological monitoring, mitigation and salvage work was conducted by Stantec Consulting Ltd. under the direction of senior archaeologist David McLeod.

Aboriginal Elders conducted ceremonies at the site and with some of the recovered artifacts.

More than 400,000 artifacts were discovered, adding important new insights about First Nations habitation and activity on the site during a period roughly 600 to 900 years ago, an era known as the Late Woodland Period. During May 2013, these findings were shared and discussed with Aboriginal elders in Winnipeg, and presented to the national conference of the Canadian Archaeological Association.

The findings have been summarized in a CMHR news release and blog post, both issued on August 28, 2013, and in the executive summaries of the archaeologists’ reports, which are posted on this page.

The full reports, totalling over 1,600 pages, have been posted on the Bibliography page of The Forks Heritage Research Web site.

Among the significant findings were:

A large number of hearths (191) in the relatively small excavation area, possibly the highest concentration of any site in Canada. This suggests long-term seasonal habitation, raising questions about interpretation of the role of The Forks as simply a stopping and trading place.
At least five completely new and previously unseen types of ceramic pottery, which seem to represent a period of rapid cultural change that took place over 200 to 300 years, between 1100 and 1400 A.D. This suggests different groups from a wide geographic area met here to interact, trade, form alliances and marry – resulting in the evolution of a “homegrown” localized pottery type distinct from those of Saskatchewan or North Dakota. The pottery findings may also refute the theory that Anishinaabe (Ojibway) people did not move into The Forks until the fur-trade era, and instead suggest they had been using the site for hundreds of years previously, along with many other groups.
The presence of maize and bean residues on ceramics, scapula hoe fragments and squash knives, supporting theories that farming took place along the Red River, particularly since evidence was also found at a dig at Lockport.
An intact ceremonial pipe adorned with a beaver effigy (the bowl being the nose), similar to those made by Aboriginal peoples far to the south, evidence that sophisticated long-distance trade networks existed.
A high concentration of sacred materials such as ceremonial pipe fragments, possible sucking tubes and a significant presence of red ochre support theories that the site was a place of peaceful meeting, alliance-building and celebration.
There was no evidence that the CMHR site has ever been a burial ground.



Some pretty cool stuff in there.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by chrisallard5454

Time to get over it. There really is no use complaining about it anymore, the building has been completed.

I would still love to see the building turned into the Canadian Rock and Roll Hall of Fame....

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

I would still love to see the building turned into the Canadian Rock and Roll Hall of Fame....

At least people would visit it!

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

At least people would visit it!

That's a shocking commentary on Manitobans if that's true. More interested in seeing an exhibit on the Guess Who, Avril Lavigne, Steppenwolf, etc. than the civil rights movement, the Holocaust, Apartheid, etc?

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by isaidso

That's a shocking commentary on Manitobans if that's true. More interested in seeing an exhibit on the Guess Who, Avril Lavigne, Steppenwolf, etc. than the civil rights movement, the Holocaust, Apartheid, etc?

You bet.

My daughter is very musically inclined. Taking her to a rock and roll museum would teach her the history of Canadian music, and all the great bands and artists this nation has produced.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by isaidso

That's a shocking commentary on Manitobans if that's true. More interested in seeing an exhibit on the Guess Who, Avril Lavigne, Steppenwolf, etc. than the civil rights movement, the Holocaust, Apartheid, etc?

It's just sour grapes. Nickelback will have to find another building in which to display their platinum records.

[bomberjet]

I would rather see some history that learn about Avril Lavigne.

[Jets4Life]

The vast majority of Winnipeggers would prefer a Rock and Roll Museum to a Human Rights Museum, especially the way things have went down over the past 7 years. The CMHR may as well say they are in way over their heads, and let the Government of Canada take over.

There would be nothing wrong with a Holocaust museum, if it was 100% privately funded by the Aspers. However, there is no point of leaving taxpayers on the hook for what essentially is a watered-down Holocaust museum. The building itself, is impressive, but I think most people can safely admit that the Human Rights museum is doomed to fail.

Originally Posted by bomberjet

I would rather see some history that learn about Avril Lavigne.

The history of music is just as important as the history of genocide. Especially if the history the museum is going to present, is inaccurate or slanted at best.
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I can bet on two things in my lifetime:

1) No man is immoral, and I will eventually meet my maker.

2) The atrocities and human rights violations by the state of Israel, towards the Palestinain population will be left out of the CMHR. The credibility of the musuem will take a big hit for this, and many will begin to question why public funds are used to prop up what essentially is a propaganda museum for the State of Israel.

The few people who support the CMHR, are a dying breed, and it is time to admit that the museum itself, is going to be a complete failure. However, that does not mean Winnipeg can make good use, out of the building itself, with minor renovations.

[DancingDuck]

I respect your opinion, but I am sick and tired of people saying that the museum will be a failure before it has even opened, let alone been finished. Give it a chance. People in this city assume that as soon as there are delays or cost overruns that the end result will be failure. The CMHR is a world class building, and will no doubt house a world class museum inside. But it is impossible to know because the museum isn't finished yet!

P.S. thank you Jets4Life for sharing the reasons behind your thoughts. Most people don't do this.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

The credibility of the musuem will take a big hit for this, and many will begin to question why public funds are used to prop up what essentially is a propaganda museum for the State of Israel.

Careful, your agenda is showing...

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by esquire

Careful, your agenda is showing...

With all due respect, it's not an aganda. It's the truth. I'm sure if (hypothetically), the Ukranians had been the ones who proposed, and financed 1/4 of the CMHR, the Holodomor would be the centrepiece of the museum, and the atrocities that the local Ukranian population took part in against the Jews in WW2, would not be mentioned.

It's human nature for the ethnic group calling the shots, to try and slant history to paint their people in a favorable light. That is why I believe the only way the CMHR is to succeed, is to give the Aspers the boot, and let the Government of Canada take it over.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

It's human nature for the ethnic group calling the shots, to try and slant history to paint their people in a favorable light. That is why I believe the only way the CMHR is to succeed, is to give the Aspers the boot, and let the Government of Canada take it over.

You'll be glad to know that your wish was granted in 2008, which is when the Government of Canada took it over. It is governed by a Board of Trustees, and the only Asper presence comes in the form of Gail Asper, who is but one vote out of nine on the board.

The Content Advisory Committee was established in 2009 and does not have a single person named Asper on it.

[bomberjet]

Just a personal opinion. I like listening to music to pass the time in the car, etc. But really don't have much of an interest. I do rather enjoy a good history lesson though.

Of course this is allllll personal opinions. So don't get too offended!

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Just a personal opinion. I like listening to music to pass the time in the car, etc. But really don't have much of an interest. I do rather enjoy a good history lesson though.

Of course this is allllll personal opinions. So don't get too offended!

People who enjoy good history lessons will go to the Library, rent a movie, or in most cases, search the internet. Human behavior tells us the museum will not last long, without massive government subsidies. People tend to go out to have fun, enjoy life, and be entertained.

Very few people will want to visit a museum, that is largely based out of the dark side of human nature. Once the novelty wears off, it will likely needs massive bailouts annually, just to keep from going under. Once the Government tires of writing off huge losses by the museum, it will close.