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Old Posted Aug 19, 2013, 10:23 PM
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If they must insist on including 'Pimisi', they could rename Bayview rather than LeBreton. It's a rather generic name and it's not like Bayview has the history of LeBreton as it is on landfill. Heck, Bayview Station is at a location where eels might conceivably have once lived...
I like this idea. Some people get confused between Bayview and Bayshore.
     
     
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I like this idea. Some people get confused between Bayview and Bayshore.
Good suggestion. It would make a lot more sense as others have pointed out there is history associated with LeBreton that does not deserve to be erased.
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LRT station name could be seen as a token of cultural guilt

By Kelly Egan, Ottawa Citizen August 20, 2013 6:02 PM


Pimisi is the suggested name for the new LeBreton light-rail station.

Questions abound. What does it mean? How is it pronounced? What does it have to do with transit? Does it have any geographic link?

And has anyone consulted Mary Pitt?

Many have already pointed out the name LeBreton not only has historical roots (Capt. John, important pioneer, early 1800s) but everybody knows where it is.

When you look at the 13 names, in fact, Pimisi is the only one that lacks everyday currency and has no instant locator. It is not, in other words, even a place. It is the Algonquin word for eel.

(Chicago may have its L, but Ottawa might well have its Eel.)

However, the proposal begins to make more sense when the background is understood, a point no doubt to be made at Wednesday’s transit commission meeting, where the names are up for approval.

The City of Ottawa, in fact, has been in discussion with the Algonquins of Ontario for at least three years about how LeBreton could be designed with an Algonquin theme, in terms of art, look and materials.

The Algonquins considered about 14 names, including Tanakiwin (homeland), Kichisippi (big river, variant spelling) and Makwa (bear) before reaching consensus on Pimisi at a meeting a few days ago.

The Algonquins — who live in nine small communities in Ontario and about the same number in Quebec — have a massive land claim over much of Ottawa and beyond. Victoria Island and the Chaudière Falls, very close to modern-day LeBreton Flats, are considered ancestral gathering places while the eel is thought of as sacred.

So, from their point of view, the name and location make sense.

One has to wonder whether there is “white-man” tokenism at play, however, and whether something as modern as urban transit — no doubt destined to be much cursed at — is the right vehicle to honour the pre-colonial past.

Think of it. We first do hideous things to our native peoples, send them to live in deplorable conditions, pollute and dam rivers so that the so-called American eel, the sacred one, is almost extinct, and now want an everyday reminder on our train system of the mess we’ve made of fellow humans and innocent creatures.

It might be guilt-shedding for some, not to mention fairly cheap and easy. (Many of the stations will have themes.)

It would likely mean more to Algonquins and everybody else if: 1) we settled the land claim, soon and satisfactorily; 2) we created a bona fide aboriginal centre on Victoria Island that would tell their whole story in a meaningful way; and 3) helped create native prosperity.

But that’s just me. Look, after all, at the magnificent Wabano Centre for Aboriginal Health on Montreal Road. Is that not so much more than a name?

Does much flow, after all, from naming a provincial park or a college based on Woodroffe Avenue for the Algonquins, or using their word for big river, Kitchissippi, for a municipal ward?

Still, Chief Kirby Whiteduck, an Algonquin from Golden Lake, says the name will serve as an important reminder about the precarious status of the eel population and drive home the point about a heritage food source.

As for the strangeness of the name, he responded:

“If I never heard the word LeBreton before and I saw it on paper, how would I pronounce it, you know?”

In supporting materials, the Algonquin point out that eels were once abundant on the Ottawa River system, accounting for as much as 50 per cent of the fish biomass.

Theirs is a different life cycle.

Born in the southern Sargasso Sea, they get carried north up the coast of North America by currents until they are big enough to enter freshwater rivers, like the St. Lawrence and Ottawa.

Because they travel immense distances inland, up and down stream, the destructive effect of dams and hydro turbines is thought to be a major reason for the population crash.

Whiteduck, in fact, said he visited an “eel ladder” at a hydro dam near Cornwall just this week.

The city, meanwhile, recognizes the importance of connecting names to specific locations. It says Ottawa currently has 51 “rapid” transit locations, 50 of them with geographic names.

Of the 294 stations in six major Canadian cities, 286 were found be have geographic names. (The report, oddly, seemed to be weakening the case for Pimisi, not making it.)

Not much turns on it, in the end — it just seems like an ill fit. No other ethnic or cultural group is singled out for special treatment in the naming. The bus token, possibly, is yet with us.

To contact Kelly Egan, please call 613-726-5896, or email [email protected]
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Still, Chief Kirby Whiteduck, an Algonquin from Golden Lake, says the name will serve as an important reminder about the precarious status of the eel population and drive home the point about a heritage food source.
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So that name was chosen in order to make a political environmental statement?

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Still, Chief Kirby Whiteduck, an Algonquin from Golden Lake, says the name will serve as an important reminder about the precarious status of the eel population and drive home the point about a heritage food source.
That very well might be the point...though for most people, the point will be missed.
     
     
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So that name was chosen in order to make a political environmental statement?
Yes. Heritage food stuffs! And riders will take time to learn about the eels. More ridiculous is that this is based on the fact there is a land claim in the general vicinity of the station, but not actually ON the station.

And even more brilliant (even for a city that makes a habit of erasing all non-politically correct/industrial/non-government vestiges and history), is that the name Kitchissippi (already applied to a whole ward, and a local beer company) was deemed unacceptable for a station name. The Algonquin name for the friggin river. Gee - wouldn't this have been great for Bayview or Dominion - those stations will little real history behind their names?

I'm sure Watson would have no qualms rubber stamping this without consultation due to 'special circumstances' (the immense pressure of political correctness constantly weighing on the shoulders of this career politician).

Sorry, but Lebreton Flats is the cradle of civilization for Ottawa. So many important firsts happened here (the first business, first electric light, first freakin electric light rail station, for God's sake!). To erase it like this pretty much makes modern Ottawans look like pale white doughy reeds, blowing in whatever direction the wind goes, not giving two shits about the past or a city's roots, just obsessed with appearing hyper-PC though cultural recognition (which could have still happened while preserving a remnant of our collective past!).

But maybe no one cares, because this is what we've become.
     
     
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According to twitter, looks like Pimisi will stay and LeBreton is gone.

Anyone else have more info?
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Tweaks to LRT station name rec: Train becomes Tremblay but gets "VIA Rail" subtitle. Rideau gets "Byward Market" subtitle #cbcott

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Also, Kent station becomes Lyon, and as covered last week Lebreton becomes Pimisi #cbcott

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Transit Commission approves staff recommended LRT station names, including Pimisi for Lebreton, Tremblay for Train #cbcott

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LRT naming vote: Bloess dissents on Pimisi and Tremblay. Tierney dissents on Tremblay. Everything carries.
     
     
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also, how to pronounce Pimisi: https://vine.co/v/heuIEjIbtKr
     
     
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Jon Willing posted on the Ottawa Sun Liveblog a graphic showing the final options for the exterior colour-scheme and design of the trains:


(http://iwitness.ottawasun.com/Event/LIVE_Transit_Commission_debates_LRT_station_names/85877543)

According to the Live blog, the bottom-left option was the final chosen colour/design scheme (as was shown earlier in this thread).
     
     
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I think I like the top right one the most.
     
     
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Jon Willing posted on the Ottawa Sun Liveblog a graphic showing the final options for the exterior colour-scheme and design of the trains:


(http://iwitness.ottawasun.com/Event/LIVE_Transit_Commission_debates_LRT_station_names/85877543)

According to the Live blog, the bottom-left option was the final chosen colour/design scheme (as was shown earlier in this thread).
IMO the bottom-left is the lamest of the bunch. Top-right would be my pick. It flows much better with the nose design, and is more... red.
     
     
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According to twitter, looks like Pimisi will stay and LeBreton is gone.

Anyone else have more info?
Well, if geographic wayfinding isn't important to OC Transpo, maybe we could rename Dominion station to LeBreton in order to preserve this historically important name?
     
     
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Liveblog Replay: Ottawa City Hall's transit committee

By David Reevely, Derek Spalding, The Ottawa Citizen August 21, 2013 9:02 AM


OTTAWA — The Citizen's David Reevely and Derek Spalding report live from Ottawa City Hall on Wednesday:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Liveblog+Ottawa+City+Hall+transit+committee/8815053/story.html
     
     
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Jon Willing posted on the Ottawa Sun Liveblog a graphic showing the final options for the exterior colour-scheme and design of the trains:


(http://iwitness.ottawasun.com/Event/LIVE_Transit_Commission_debates_LRT_station_names/85877543)

According to the Live blog, the bottom-left option was the final chosen colour/design scheme (as was shown earlier in this thread).
Centre, left would be my pick although I still preferred the first two versions from December (my absolute favourite was the one depicted in all the station renderings).

I wrote to the transit commission a few days ago motioning how asinine it is to rename LeBreton (only in a more diplomatic way) and suggesting renaming Baseline "Algonquin" and Dominion "Kitchissippi". I also suggested following in MTL and the Ottawa Police's (officers voted on designs for new squad cars) example for an online vote on train design.

Only response I received was from Katherine Hobbs who was opposed to "Kitchissippi" for Dominion because it would be confusing because they're will be multiple station in the Kitchissipi Ward (but yet Pimisi is not confusing?) but agreed that the name Dominion does not properly represent as the heart of Westboro.
     
     
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So we can't name Tremblay station VIA because it is a corporate name (a Crown Corporation, but anyway) yet it is OK to sole source a casino site to corporate owned land or sole source an entire sports and entertainment project to a group of private companies.

On another note, only one person (Bloess) in that damn place had the guts to speak out against "Pimisi". What an embarrassment! We just made history by naming a transit station for something that has nothing to do with its surrounding area. Why don't we just sell the naming rights for the other 16 stations?
     
     
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Well, if geographic wayfinding isn't important to OC Transpo, maybe we could rename Dominion station to LeBreton in order to preserve this historically important name?
Which only further illustrates the stupidity of the decision, because if you rename Dominion "LeBreton'', people will think it's in the vicinity of Booth and the Chaudière Bridge because, well... that's what the area has always been called!

I wonder if any aboriginals actually find this a bit insulting. I know as a francophone if you wanted to rename something historically established and significant like Wellington St. or Colonel By Drive with an allegedly francophone friendly name to "honour" us (I dunno... Chasse-Galerie, or Astrolabe, or Coureur des Bois), I'd find it a bit ridiculous and token-ish.
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We just made history by naming a transit station for something that has nothing to do with its surrounding area.
sorry, the name does have 'something' to do with the surrounding area: the station is practically on top of the aqueduct where the eels were found during recent maintenance work, either earlier this year or last year (can't keep my years straight anymore)
     
     
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sorry, the name does have 'something' to do with the surrounding area: the station is practically on top of the aqueduct where the eels were found during recent maintenance work, either earlier this year or last year (can't keep my years straight anymore)
Yes, but for the naming of a major transit station, this tenuous connection is about as dumb as remaining Fallowfield Station 'Dandelion Field' because of the obvious.

I'm more annoyed by the ease at which these councillors delete the city's history in order to be seen as progressive and politically correct. The cynical part of me half expects the gutless bunch to turn Billings Bridge Station into Slutwalk Station and convert Bayshore to Idle No More Station.

Ottawa: Ignoring its own history to promote others' (out of guilt) since WWII.
     
     
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also, how to pronounce Pimisi: https://vine.co/v/heuIEjIbtKr
Based on that pronunciation, I'd recommend it be respelled to Pamisee. Much less ambiguous. Although the first vowel is technically [ɪ] people will just weaken it to [ə] anyway.
     
     
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