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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 12:49 AM
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... if I had to guess I would've thought the place held closer to 50,000...
I thought it looked a lot bigger than 33,000 as well, when I saw it, both the exterior and interior aspects. I hope Regina cann match it. And Calgary, if they ever get their act together.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 11:25 PM
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DOWNTOWN ARENA
PILE TESTING BULLETIN – JULY 29, 2013
OVERVIEW
Starting Wednesday, July 31, pile load testing will commence on the site for the downtown arena. These pile load tests will involve excavating two sites, inserting concrete piles, and then putting a load (in this case a steel beam) on the piles to test the pile’s performance. This testing will help the design team determine how many piles are needed for the arena building. These tests will be completed by mid-October.
CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY
There will be two excavations on the site (see map on reverse). The dirt will be stockpiled on site to minimize truck traffic in and out of the site. The pile will be covered with tarps to minimize dust. A piling rig will then be brought on site to install the concrete piles, and at that time concrete trucks will bring material to the site.
When testing is complete, the dirt will be backfilled back into the excavated areas, and fencing will be removed, returning the site to its original state.
There will be times, particularly when the pile testing is underway, that there will be limited activity on site.
TRAFFIC
There will be no restrictions to traffic flow during the testing period. Trucks will access the site from 104 Avenue.
SCHEDULE
July 30 - 31 Temporary fences installed on site
August 1 – 19 Excavations
August 12 – 23 Installation of concrete piles
August 19 to September 30 Pile testing
September 30 to mid-October Backfill excavations and exit site
SAFETY
The pile testing area will be fenced and closed to the public. Signage will be placed in the area to advise the public about the construction activities.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
The information in this bulletin is current to July 29, 2013. All dates are approximate and weather dependent. We thank you for your patience during the pile testing. For more information please contact:
Eugene Gyorfi
Project Manager, City of Edmonton
(780) 944-7494

     
     
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Old Posted Jul 30, 2013, 11:34 PM
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The site must be urban (e.g. Varsity). It has to be the kind of location where people could potentially walk past and say, 'What's this? The Argos play here? Looks great. Let's check it out...' If they move to Mississauga or Downsview, then it might as well be the Moon - the team will fall further into obscurity. That's my feeling, anyway - perhaps Torontonians have a different view.
Agree 100%. Varsity was always where the Argonauts should have gone on a permanent basis. At this point, they need to find something downtown as close to that as possible. They need to be as visible as possible and in a fan friendly football specific stadium. That said, I'll likely never get over the Argos missing the opportunity to redevelop Varsity.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 7:30 PM
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Thousands of holes in Olympic Stadium roof
Riley Sparks, The Gazette July 25, 2013


Olympic Stadium roof seen from the observation deck at the top of the stadium’s tower in Montreal, Monday April 2, 2012.
Photograph by: John Mahoney, Gazette file photo


MONTREAL — Fresh concerns about the safety of the Olympic Stadium’s roof have forced the Alouettes to put their bid to host the 2017 Grey Cup on hold.

“If this was to prevent us from being able to host a Grey Cup in Montreal in the short- to mid-term, it would be tremendously disappointing,” said Mark Weightman, the team's chief operating officer.

Tests on the condition of the roof last year showed that the thin membrane is falling apart more quickly than expected.

Documents obtained by La Presse reportedly show that daily inspections of the stadium roof found 2,729 tears between November 2012 and May 2013.

Most of the tears are only a few millimetres or centimetres long, but maintenance of the roof costs about $1 million every year, Olympic Park spokesperson Justine Lord-Dufour said.

“Deterioration of the roof’s mechanical properties is considerable, and aging is more significant than anticipated,” Olympic Park administrators noted in their 2012 annual report.

The roof material — a composite of fibreglass and PTFE, a polymer more commonly known as Teflon — can support as much as 58 kilograms per square centimetre.

But since this roof was installed, it has suffered a 59-per-cent decline in its load-bearing capacity.

Maintenance and more frequent testing of the roof material have not slowed its deterioration.

“Experts confirm that the risks of breakage are only increasing,” the 2012 report said.

Because of the stadium’s particular shape, the roof does not drain properly in all weather conditions, which can strain the material.

In 1999, just one year after a new $33-million roof was installed, a large section gave way under heavy snow.

Workers on the field were almost buried under an avalanche pouring down from the roof 52 metres above.

After the collapse, heating elements were installed under the roof to melt snow before enough could accumulate to break the roof.

Maintaining that system is expensive, the Olympic Park said in its 2012 report, and it does not ensure the stadium can be used during the winter.

“Twenty-four hours prior to an event, if weather reports indicate that there will be snow, or any type of accumulation on the roof, the stadium is closed down and the event is cancelled,” Dufour said.

A study by the Olympic Park administration after the 1999 collapse concluded that fixing the roof’s major structural problems would be too complicated.

Options for a new roof are still under discussion, but the high price and complexity of the project have slowed progress.

“We obviously hope that there will be a new roof built in the short term to make that stadium operational and usable for twelve months of the year,” Weightman said.

“Until some sort of resolution has been come to concerning that very important dossier, we’re in a holding pattern.”

The nine most popular CFL games ever were all in Montreal, and all attracted over 60,000 people.

To bid for the Grey Cup, the Alouettes have to guarantee that the Olympic Stadium — the only football field in the city that can fit so many people—will be available in Nov. 2017.

So far, that hasn’t been possible, Weightman said.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 7:33 PM
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^ It just never ends with that thing.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 31, 2013, 11:35 PM
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Jean Drapeau's Olympics are the gift that keeps on giving (to engineering consultants at least).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 4:18 PM
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Regina’s new stadium could pay tribute to former Grain Show Building
Marco Vigliotti Metro Regina Aug 1/2013

The design of Regina’s new stadium and future home of the Saskatchewan Roughriders might pay homage to a prominent building that formerly occupied its planned site at Evraz Place.

The city’s proposed stadium development regulations say planners should consider incorporating “historical architectural references” to the old Grain Show Building at the exhibition grounds in the design of the $278-million facility to replace aging Mosaic Stadium.



“It’s always good to reflect your heritage,” Mayor Michael Fougere said on Thursday of the proposed regulations.

“That’s part of the spirit of the development.”

Constructed for the World’s Grain Exhibition in 1933, the Grain Show Building was destroyed by two fires in 1955 and 2009.

However, any architectural nod to the former Evraz Place mainstay is not explicitly required. The proposed characteristics are intended as guidelines for planning staff.

“The guidelines are intended to be flexible and open to interpretation, rather than mandatory and rigid like a development standard,” states a report by city planning director Diana Hawryluk and Jason Carlston, deputy city manager of community planning and development.

“This approach will allow evaluation of how the building performs and interfaces with its surroundings while providing flexibility for individual expression.”

While the 33,500-seat stadium’s design remains far from certain, the city’s planning commission has begun laying the necessary groundwork to bring the facility to Evraz Place.

During its meeting on Wednesday, the commission approved a rezoning of a section of land bordering the Canadian Pacific Railway line to accommodate the future stadium.

The commission also amended the city’s zoning bylaw to allow the facility to be located on a public service property, which is the current designation for Evraz Place.

City council will discuss both moves for possible approval at its Aug. 26 meeting.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 4:24 PM
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How the heck you can stretch from the futuristic (below) to the retro (above) is beyond me. IMO that should have been spelled out to concept designer Patel long ago.

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 4:31 PM
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How the heck you can stretch from the futuristic (below) to the retro (above) is beyond me. IMO that should have been spelled out to concept designer Patel long ago.

That was merely an exercise done to show people what could possibly be accomplished with the budget and also to get ideas on wind direction, sun angles, and other such observations designers might want to take into account. Nothing more. The article also states that nods to the past are just a design consideration, not requirement, so we could still end up with something completely futuristic without any nod or historical reference.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 4:43 PM
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That was merely an exercise done to show people what could possibly be accomplished with the budget and also to get ideas on wind direction, sun angles, and other such observations designers might want to take into account. Nothing more. The article also states that nods to the past are just a design consideration, not requirement, so we could still end up with something completely futuristic without any nod or historical reference.
I am aware of what a concept drawing is but often as not contractors will try not to stray too far from the original model. Usually you don't hire a Dipesh Patel to ignore what he's given you. As for the historical reference, I am aware of that as well, I did bold it
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 4:46 PM
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oh dear, please no.

why would a stadium reference an old exhibition hall?....why would it reference an old building of any kind?...its neither an exhibition hall or an old building....its a modern stadium...let it be that.....let future generations build their buildings to reference it.

faux historicism is so bogus....celebrate the future Regina,
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 5:04 PM
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I am aware of what a concept drawing is but often as not contractors will try not to stray too far from the original model. Usually you don't hire a Dipesh Patel to ignore what he's given you. As for the historical reference, I am aware of that as well, I did bold it
It was more a concept for the taxpayer than possible architects/developers (as much as some here in Regina don't want to admit it, the last municipal election was basically won and lost on each candidate's views on the new stadium). The architects can certainly use it as reference if they want, but the main point was to show the city/province what could possibly be done for the budget and to galvanize some support.

And Viking, my guess is the most you would see is the entrances paying homage or something, which on the whole, could be neat, but would definitely have to be done with great care so it doesn't look stupid (as can often happen).
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 5:12 PM
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Oh PLEASE let this happen
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2013, 5:32 PM
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oh dear, please no.

why would a stadium reference an old exhibition hall?....why would it reference an old building of any kind?...its neither an exhibition hall or an old building....its a modern stadium...let it be that.....let future generations build their buildings to reference it.

faux historicism is so bogus....celebrate the future Regina,
Not like Winnipeg would allow a major sports venue to look like a big old heritage building, like say a department store

Seriously though, i agree completely. The retro trend is over and dead. Not even baseball, the most retro-obsessed sport that there is, builds faux-historic venues anymore.
     
     
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oooohh...Rider fans ain't gonna be happy with this...even though it is only a reference to preserving the history of the franchise...It is kinda unique....

Initial Render :

http://i43.tinypic.com/33482sj.jpg

Coming soon?

http://i39.tinypic.com/34yw8b7.jpg

You could save a few $$ on the 2nd photos historic interpertation of the new stadium?



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Old Posted Aug 3, 2013, 5:11 AM
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Ugh. No.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2013, 5:53 AM
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I'm not so quick to dump all over this concept.

Soldier Field is a great example of a very modern retrofit design incorporating the historic elements of the old stadium. True, that was a stadium to begin with, but the historic elements could have easily been part of another type of structure (an exhibition hall, perhaps?).

Not saying that it'll turn out great, guaranteed, but it's also not a sure thing that it'll —, either.

As long as it doesn't turn into a ROM clusterf**k.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2013, 7:24 PM
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Something like Amon G Carter stadium (home of Texas Christian University) with a roof and proper seats could work here

The architects HKS who designed that are on the Regina Stadium as well

     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2013, 8:47 PM
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^ It just never ends with that thing.
A new stadium could have been built in every city in Canada for what has been pumped into the Big Owe!
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 3, 2013, 11:05 PM
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Agree 100%. Varsity was always where the Argonauts should have gone on a permanent basis. At this point, they need to find something downtown as close to that as possible. They need to be as visible as possible and in a fan friendly football specific stadium. That said, I'll likely never get over the Argos missing the opportunity to redevelop Varsity.
Downtown would be great, but where in the world would you put something as large as a football stadium? Downtown land values have skyrocketed and you would be competing with every developer that wants to put up more high-rise condos or office buildings. Building downtown is just going to be way too expensive. The Argos have no choice but to go where the land is cheaper and available.
     
     
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