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Old Posted Jul 11, 2013, 8:21 PM
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that's partly why it's so wonderful and should be (and is) treasured.
What they should do is use this land for a better botanical garden, with some impressive building. The land is large enough they could do something like what Montreal has done (with Chinese pavilions) or take a page out of other ones and building a modern low-rise building/greenhouse/information centre/restaurant, etc. (I'll try to find an image of what I mean).

It would be well-located near the o-train corridor, near Dow's Lake and all the condos going up. The Maragret Park next to this land might be redeveloped for condos or office space. It makes perfect sense to turn this area into something more than a field with trees, but rather an excellent botanical garden.
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Counter-proposal...
Abolish the whole experimental farm to the outskirts OR at least the greenbelt. Wasn't the greenbelt reserved for green spaces and developments like these?

Having this huge underused plot of land in central Ottawa is crazy.
That site hosts the Agriculture Museum, the Aboretum and numerous historical buildings. It was identified as a national historic site in 1998. As much as a big chunk of the farm fields would make great infill devellopment it simply is never going to happen. I think 50 years from now as the city grows much larger we will appreciate having such a huge plot of greenspace smack in the middle of town.

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Old Posted Jul 11, 2013, 8:40 PM
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there's a thread on this with some old concept plans and articles... a big central park would be great.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=176006
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I like the experimental farm but I believe this parcel should be developed, it doesn't add anything and it would be extremely good infill.
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The fact that it is separated from other rural farmland makes that patch very useful as an experimental farm. There is very little worry of cross-pollination. It's not just useless farmland. It's a large scale laboratory for one of Canada's largest industries. Don't even fricking think of touching it.
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Mother says they should erect a Dutch style windmill there.
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Counter-proposal...
Abolish the whole experimental farm to the outskirts OR at least the greenbelt. Wasn't the greenbelt reserved for green spaces and developments like these?

Having this huge underused plot of land in central Ottawa is crazy.
Abolish parts of the Greenbelt near major highways and transit lines. Use the money to expand Gatineau Park and/or bury the ORT along the stretch of Parkway.


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I like the experimental farm but I believe this parcel should be developed, it doesn't add anything and it would be extremely good infill.
Since that parcel is surrounded by suburban development and is far from any of the rail transit plans, it might be best to keep this part. I would prefer developing along Carling.

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Mother says they should erect a Dutch style windmill there.
That would have been a great place for the windmill.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2013, 12:28 AM
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What they should do is use this land for a better botanical garden, with some impressive building. The land is large enough they could do something like what Montreal has done (with Chinese pavilions) or take a page out of other ones and building a modern low-rise building/greenhouse/information centre/restaurant, etc. (I'll try to find an image of what I mean).

It would be well-located near the o-train corridor, near Dow's Lake and all the condos going up. The Maragret Park next to this land might be redeveloped for condos or office space. It makes perfect sense to turn this area into something more than a field with trees, but rather an excellent botanical garden.
I was thinking they should include a botanical garden as well, like a bio-dome - they could study other plants and whatnot not native to the Ottawa (or Canadian) climate.

I actually kinda picture the Farm as our version of Central Park...a very dilapidated looking Central Park, but a park nonetheless.

Ultimately, I'd love to see it develop into something like the recently completed Gardens of the Bay (Singapore). And, that's not to say it couldn't still maintain it's primary use as a testing facility and farm land...

@Norman Bates, a dutch style windmill would be awesome
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Former councillor pitches P3 proposal for Mooney’s Bay pavilion

Published on July 12, 2013
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An Ottawa businessman is hoping to partner with the city to revamp the beach pavilion at Mooney’s Bay.

By David Sali

George Brown, a lawyer who previously served as president of the Ottawa Community Loan Fund as well as spending nine years as a city councillor, says the community gathering space at the popular local beach is in dire need of redevelopment.

He met this week with River Coun. Maria McRae, who chairs the city’s environment committee, to discuss a plan for a public-private partnership to rebuild the facility and has hired an architect to come up with a design.

“We see an opportunity to turn a dilapidated building into something the whole city of Ottawa could proud of,” said Mr. Brown, who has lived in the Mooney’s Bay area for most of his life and says the park has become a year-round recreation hotspot for beach enthusiasts and volleyball players in summer and cross-country skiers in winter.

“It’s an old, run-down city building that we think could be improved greatly. To me, it’s a win-win deal for everybody.”

While the proposal is still in its early stages, Mr. Brown says the new pavilion could include a coffee shop and will likely incorporate leading environmental technology in its architecture - for example, reusing wood from nearby ash trees. It would be run on a not-for-profit basis.
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Other departments eyed for Defence building in former Nortel campus

By David Pugliese, OTTAWA CITIZEN July 12, 2013 8:04 PM


OTTAWA — Public Works is considering whether other government departments might make their home at the former Nortel campus after concerns have been raised that preparing the location for the Defence department might be too expensive.

The Conservative government has earmarked almost $1 billion for the proposed plan to move military personnel and Department of National Defence staff to the former Nortel site at 3500 Carling Ave. That includes $208 million to buy the property, with an additional $790 million to be spent to renovate the buildings for DND’s needs, according to a presentation made to the Senate by Treasury Board officials. The cost to prepare the site involves everything from creating new offices to installing secure computer networks.

Sources, however, have said the cost of outfitting the campus for DND could increase to around $880 million, prompting Public Works to reconsider whether DND should be relocated there. Public Works officials say that estimate is not accurate but refuse to release their cost estimates for the renovations and fit-up costs.

Public Works, however, acknowledges it has compiled an extensive number of documents related to the option of moving in other departments into the campus instead of DND. It has not disclosed what those departments might be.

Asked whether Public Works is looking at other options for tenants at the former Nortel campus, department spokesman Sébastien Bois responded in an email that the organization “is currently reviewing its plans for the renovation and future occupancy of the Carling Campus in light of the current environment of fiscal restraint to ensure that the use of the Campus provides best value for taxpayers.”

The DND originally estimated the cost of preparing the Nortel site for its needs would be $633 million, according to department documents obtained by the Citizen through the Access to Information law.

Although DND is planning for the move, cabinet has not yet made the final decision authorizing the department to occupy the Nortel site.

But some are questioning the move at a time of cost-cutting, particularly since the DND will still continue to occupy key buildings such as its main headquarters, the Major-General George R. Pearkes Building on Colonel By Drive, as well as its facility on Star Top Road. DND’s presence in the Louis St. Laurent building, the National Printing Bureau building and the Hotel de Ville building in Gatineau will also continue.

Michel Drapeau, an Ottawa lawyer and former Canadian Forces colonel, said it makes more sense to move departments which need less security over to the Nortel campus. That, in turn, would cut down on the cost of refitting the campus, he added.

“What about moving the agriculture or environment departments out there?” he said. “The other question is, ‘Why move at all if DND is still keeping its Colonel By headquarters?”

Others have also raised warnings about increasing costs. After hearing the Treasury Board estimate for refitting the Nortel campus for DND during a senate meeting in February 2011, Liberal Senator Pierrette Ringuette questioned whether the proposal made economic sense.

“With the refurbishing costs, the move, the IT, the security, etc., etc., the estimate is almost $1 billion,” she pointed out to fellow senators. “How can we justify this?”

DND officials declined to discuss the Nortel move, referring all queries to Public Works. Previously, however, it hoped to make details public at a high profile news conference in 2010.

A day before that news conference, planned for Oct. 19, 2010, the Privy Council Office stepped in to shut the event down, according to the DND documents obtained by the Citizen.

The event was to have included Defence Minister Peter MacKay and Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose.

DND sources say the Nortel move is particularly sensitive as the Conservative government is not keen to highlight its plans to spend on the project during a time of fiscal restraint.

The DND documents also provided a department name for the Nortel move — Project X.

Also spiked during the aborted 2010 news conference was a message to be distributed to employees by then-deputy minister Robert Fonberg and then-defence chief Gen. Walt Natynczyk, notifying them of the reasons for the move. That message was to highlight the Nortel complex as a state-of-the art facility with lots of green space and bike paths. The move would reduce accommodation costs and improve security, the message added.

“A move of this magnitude will, no doubt, cause some disruptions along the way,” the message from the two men noted. “We acknowledge that this announcement will raise many questions and concerns with respect to transportation, family issues, and other personal considerations.”

In the past the Defence department has estimated it would save $50 million a year by moving many of its employees in the Ottawa area into the former Nortel site but it has not provided a breakdown on how it came up with that figure.

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Here is a little tidbit that has escaped the media.

The Ontario gov't says that the francophone population in SW ont. is growing. They say they should provide french university and college accessibility in the region. (London, Windsor?)

uOttawa has been asked to prepare a feasibility study as to how they could or would operate a satellite francophone campus the
The province would build it and uOttawa would run it.

P.S -probably few know that uOttawa has long had a satellite campus in Cornwall--

http://www.cornwall.ca/en/webadmin/UniversityofOttawa.asp

-although there is a movement afoot to get the province to build a University of Cornwall.

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Wasn't sure if this had been posted... or where to post it, for that matter. But, there was an article earlier today regarding the approval of the planned foot bridge over the Canal:

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Rideau Canal Footbridge approved

BY LAURA ARMSTRONG, OTTAWA CITIZEN JULY 12, 2013

OTTAWA — Ontario Minister of the Environment Jim Bradley has dismissed a bump-up request pertaining to the City of Ottawa’s Rideau Canal Footbridge project, green-lighting it to proceed as planned.

In a memo sent by the city in late June regarding the footbridge project, city officials stated staff were proceeding with the design of the bridge while the Ministry of Environment dealt with a single bump-up request made during the environmental assessment process. The request, an issue not satisfactorily resolved through the planning exercise, was made by a member of the public who complained the bridge would block their view.

At the time, city staff said any risks associated with advancing the design prior to the environmental assessment being approved were low.

Last Thursday, Bradley dismissed the request, allowing the city to proceed with the project, something the city said local residents, businesses, schools and community groups have shown strong support for.

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Here is a little tidbit that has escaped the media.

The Ontario gov't says that the francophone population in SW ont. is growing. They say they should provide french university and college accessibility in the region. (London, Windsor?)

uOttawa has been asked to prepare a feasibility study as to how they could or would operate a satellite francophone campus the
The province would build it and uOttawa would run it.


P.S -probably few know that uOttawa has long had a satellite campus in Cornwall--

http://www.cornwall.ca/en/webadmin/UniversityofOttawa.asp

-although there is a movement afoot to get the province to build a University of Cornwall.
Source?
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2012/11/07 · by KayCie Gravelle, News Editor · in News, University of Ottawa


Would serve growing francophone community in southwestern Ontario

Andrew Ikeman | Fulcrum Staff



Southwestern Ontario has one of the fastest-growing francophone communities in Ontario, and that is something the University of Ottawa wants to capitalize on. The U of O is examining the possibility of opening a satellite campus in the region whose primary focus will be French-language education.

According to U of O President Allan Rock, the university is currently exploring whether it would be viable to open a satellite campus in the region. The plans are still in their early stages.

“What we are looking at is the possibility of opening up a satellite campus somewhere in that part of the province, which would enable us to provide French-language instruction to that growing population [of francophones in the region],” said Rock. “We have to think of cost, availability of professors to provide the courses—whether online might be able to help with that—so we are examining that whole question.”

The university is basing its decision to investigate the satellite campus on a report by Ontario’s French Language Services Commissioner François Boileau. The report recommended that in response to the increasing population of francophones in southwestern Ontario, the provincial government establish post-secondary education in the region.

“With the rapid growth of central-southwestern Ontario’s francophone population, it is more critical than ever to remedy the insufficient number of colleges and universities in that region that offer French-language programs and services,” said Boileau in an email to the Fulcrum. “These deficiencies have the effect of pulling the rug out from under elementary and secondary students, newcomers, and francophiles who want to pursue a post-secondary education in French. The same could be said of the self-serving interest of the government in maintaining and improving its capacity to provide the public with quality French-language services.”

The commissioner also believes that the University of Ottawa may be a key player in the region. According to Rock, the university is currently working on a report to submit to the senate and the Board of Administration on the subject. The location, courses, and a timetable for the possible construction of the satellite campus are still undecided, but Rock hopes to have the completed report by the end of the school year.

Rock was adamant that the new campus would not take away from what is taught in the main campus.

“The idea is not in any way to diminish what we are doing here, but rather to replicate it there, for the convenience of the French-language population that wants access to university courses,” he said. “As to which courses would be taught, again it’s very early in the process.”
as far as the people of Cornwall wanting their own university --just google it and you will find lots of articles from Cornwall advocating a University of Cornwall.
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That's interesting. It would be interesting to know where their study is at 18 months along. I see that they also refer in the piece to "central-southwestern Ontario", which to me is K-C-W or perhaps London, rather than Windsor.
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Didn't see that coming;

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Algonquin to operate Saudi Arabian campus

Published on July 15, 2013
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Algonquin College plans to operate an English-language campus in Saudi Arabia starting this September.

The Ottawa-based postsecondary institution will operate the satellite campus in Jazan, a coastal city in the country’s southwest region, as part of a public-private partnership with Saudi Arabia's Technical and Vocational Training Corp.

Previously, Algonquin provided curriculum and faculty to a government-run facility at the same campus, which was then called the Jazan Economic City Polytechnic.

“This new partnership will rename the existing campus the Algonquin Jazan College of Excellence,” Algonquin stated, “and see Algonquin manage all campus operations including staff and student recruitment, program development and delivery, quality assessment, college services, and facilities maintenance.”

TVTC directed that the campus will be male-only; Algonquin was unsuccessful in winning a separate bid for a female-only campus.

If filled to capacity, the satellite campus in Jazan, Saudi Arabia is expected to host 2,000 students and bring in annual revenues of more than $25 million. Profits will be used for “college services and infrastructure,” Algonquin stated.

“In addition to being a revenue generator for the college at a time of reduced funding, this new campus will provide more international connections for Algonquin College faculty, staff and students,” the college added.

Algonquin expects to offer 10 programs in areas ranging from business, to construction engineering, to technician positions in fields such as facilities and architecture.

The Ottawa college is one of five international institutions selected by the Saudi Arabian government to manage 10 colleges.

According to Algonquin, the government is spending $1 billion (four billion Saudi riyals) in “a new polytechnic education model” that includes “hands-on, applied education.”

The pilot program is expected to attract 110,000 students and could be expanded to 450,000 if successful.

Algonquin also has campuses in China, India and Montenegro and plans to open one in Kuwait in 2014.
http://www.obj.ca/Local/2013-07-15/article-3315555/Algonquin-to-operate-Saudi-Arabian-campus/1
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Old Posted Jul 16, 2013, 12:03 PM
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There is an article in the paper copy of OBJ about Morguard and the new Vice-Pres of Eastern Canada. He says that they expect to find a tenant for the Zellers space on Sparks, something that will attract more people. He also says that after 150 Elgin, they expect to concentrate on projects already in the books, such as Standard Life phase III.
Not mention of St-Laurent, but he does want to encourage the company to invest more in retail and condos (and St-Laurent is a prime spot for that, IMO). He also wants to invest in updating older buildings to attract new tenants in the midst of Federal downsizing.

He also stats he wants to look into making connections between the existing Morguard buildings on Queen Street and the subway line (I'm glad to see major developers still interested; other than Brookfield (who already have an underground concourse over the proposed station), whoever runs the Sun Life Centre (the owners, Bentall-Kennedy, would have wanted to connect the WEP, I would think) and Gillin (who wanted to keep the NAC station location).

Read more in the July 15 2013 edition of OBJ, page 10.

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There is an article in the paper copy of OBJ about Morguard and the new Vice-Pres of Eastern Canada. He says that they expect to find a tenant for the Zellers space on Sparks, something that will attract more people. He also says that after 150 Elgin, they expect to concentrate on projects already in the books, such as Standard Life phase III.
Not mention of St-Laurent, but he does want to encourage the company to invest more in retail and condos (and St-Laurent is a prime spot for that, IMO). He also wants to invest in updating older buildings to attract new tenants in the midst of Federal downsizing.

He also stats he wants to look into making connections between the existing Morguard buildings on Queen Street and the subway line (I'm glad to see major developers still interested; other than Brookfield (who already have an underground concourse over the proposed station), whoever runs the Sun Life Centre (the owners, Bentall-Kennedy, would have wanted to connect the WEP, I would think) and Gillin (who wanted to keep the NAC station location).

Read more in the July 15 2013 edition of OBJ, page 10.
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The electronic version can be found here:
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Any idea what's happening with the northwestern corner of Booth-Somerset? I drove by today and noticed the old building that was beside it was demolished (and now a pile of wood and some brick).

What's going on with that corner and why was that building demolished?
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