ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 371

scania · #**7401** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 12:12 AM**

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interesting before and after construction photos of the beltline:

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awesome!!!

Zanarkand A East · #**7402** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 1:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

Dude, your team hasn't played one game at FBS. Most schools do not do well moving from FCS to FBS. It's COMPLETELY about saying "We have a real football team (albeit one that now loses all the time)"

Moving to FBS a challenge for most

Although numerous studies have found revenue increases with a move to FBS, they've also found expenses generally increase at an even greater rate. There's some evidence to suggest being at the top of FCS is better -- both from a financial and student-athlete experience standpoint -- than being at the bottom of FBS. The average revenue for an FBS program in the bottom quartile is $22.5 million, compared to $25.6 million in the top quartile of FCS.
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Fewer athletes get a chance: NCAA data shows an FCS school in the top quartile sponsors 23.6 sports, compared to just 16.8 sponsored by the bottom quartile FBS schools. The total number of student-athletes also drops from 639 in the top quartile of FCS to 458 in the bottom quartile of the FBS.

Higher student fees: McNeely's presentation said schools reclassifying increase student fees by an average of $1.2 million annually to keep up with the added expenses.

I will say this is less absurd than Georgia Southern moving to FBS.

Other posters are already bitching about this being off-topic, so I won't give this nonsense the rebuttal it deserves, although I'll mention that we put a few players in the NFL before we even became FBS. Let's just leave it at "we'll see."

Meanwhile:

Friendship Baptist rejects Atlanta's $13.5 million offer for stadium site (AJC)

I always wanted this on the north site, so this is great news for me!

clexmond · #**7403** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 1:47 AM**

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

Other posters are already bitching about this being off-topic, so I won't give this nonsense the rebuttal it deserves, although I'll mention that we put a few players in the NFL before we even became FBS. Let's just leave it at "we'll see."

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Friendship Baptist rejects Atlanta's $13.5 million offer for stadium site (AJC)

I always wanted this on the north site, so this is great news for me!

There's no way we (Atlanta) should even be offering that much for a 2 acre site. Land right on Peachtree can be had for less than that and certainly less than the $12million per acre the church countered with. Find a way to make it fit or move it to the northern site.

GTdan · #**7404** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 3:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by clexmond

There's no way we (Atlanta) should even be offering that much for a 2 acre site. Land right on Peachtree can be had for less than that and certainly less than the $12million per acre the church countered with. Find a way to make it fit or move it to the northern site.

This is ridiculous! Mayor Reed deserves to be voted out of office after allowing over half a billion dollars of public funds being spent on a new stadium.

jpk1292000 · #**7405** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 3:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by GTdan

This is ridiculous! Mayor Reed deserves to be voted out of office after allowing over half a billion dollars of public funds being spent on a new stadium.

I think that there are $200 million in public funds being spent, not $500 million, according to the article.

Still, it's $200 million that I think could have been spent in a much smarter way to improve the city.

scania · #**7406** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by jpk1292000

I think that there are $200 million in public funds being spent, not $500 million, according to the article.

Still, it's $200 million that I think could have been spent in a much smarter way to improve the city.

It's an investment. The new stadium will bring a lot of money to the city. Maybe you think they should improve Marta, or the Streetcar. Lets make it easier for people to get around the city for free...that idea will bring tons of money to the city. People need to realize that it's not all about something being pedestrian friendly, or more intown neighborhoods. The new stadium will be great financially for the city.

ATLaffinity · #**7407** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 4:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by clexmond

There's no way we (Atlanta) should even be offering that much for a 2 acre site. Land right on Peachtree can be had for less than that and certainly less than the $12million per acre the church countered with. Find a way to make it fit or move it to the northern site.

Fuck those churches. So they think they are too important to bulldoze. BUT $26M might make them less historically important.

Build on the other site. They have every right to forgo millions. Let them.

testarossa50 · #**7408** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 12:28 PM**

26 story office tower planned at Central Perimeter (rendering inside)
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2013/06/21/new-office-towers-enter-perimeter.html

Apartment "tower" planned by Lenox (no rendering, no details)
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...mon-eyes-apartments-by-lenox-square.html

Zanarkand A East · #**7409** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 1:03 PM**

Not sure if this has been posted, but there are some amazing designs and project details. I just hope it's build on Northside and Ivan Allen so there's plenty of space around it. Meanwhile, I don't see a better way to spend $200 million in tourism tax revenue that will pay dividends like this new stadium. Revenue from boosted tourism could fund some of the projects I've heard that should have received the $200M (not $500M, wherever the hell that number came from...)

New Atlanta Stadium

sunking1056 · #**7410** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 2:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by scania

Maybe you think they should improve Marta, or the Streetcar. Lets make it easier for people to get around the city for free...that idea will bring tons of money to the city.

Yeah, cause investment in transportation infrastructure obviously has no impact on economic growth. You never see firms wanting to locate near transit. And this generation's workforce has no interest in transportation alternatives.

I'm not as against the stadium as a lot of people but your comment was just asinine.

ChrisInmanPark · #**7411** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 3:32 PM**

Some new details on the Inman park 280 Elizabeth Street project like a timeline for completion.

http://www.atlantaintownpaper.com/2013/06/new-apartments-retail-coming-to-inman-park/

scania · #**7412** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 3:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by sunking1056

Yeah, cause investment in transportation infrastructure obviously has no impact on economic growth. You never see firms wanting to locate near transit. And this generation's workforce has no interest in transportation alternatives.

I'm not as against the stadium as a lot of people but your comment was just asinine.

No it wasn't. I clearly said that both were important. I assume you didn't comprehend what I was trying to convey.

scania · #**7413** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 3:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by testarossa50

Apartment "tower" planned by Lenox (no rendering, no details)
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...mon-eyes-apartments-by-lenox-square.html

This is great news. I hope this is successful enough for The Related Group to build more skyscrapers in the city. It would be nice to have a new look in our modern glass skyscrapers.

GTdan · #**7414** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

Not sure if this has been posted, but there are some amazing designs and project details. I just hope it's build on Northside and Ivan Allen so there's plenty of space around it. Meanwhile, I don't see a better way to spend $200 million in tourism tax revenue that will pay dividends like this new stadium. Revenue from boosted tourism could fund some of the projects I've heard that should have received the $200M (not $500M, wherever the hell that number came from...)

New Atlanta Stadium

You guys are insane if you really think that only $200 million of public money will be spent on getting a new stadium. Yes, the city will probably only give $200 million for construction. But what about infrastructure improvements, land purchasing, and even the millions of dollars that the city will spend to demolish the existing dome. I guarantee this number will exceed $500 million of public money.

ChrisInmanPark · #**7415** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 5:01 PM**

Perennial Properties Somerset Apartments had active demolition today. They began site prep a few months ago with the demo of the old skatepark but then work stopped. Hopefully they are back on track. These are gonna have amazing views when done.

http://eastatlanta.patch.com/groups/real...beltline-slated-for-february-2b8fffea832

Libertarian · #**7416** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 5:10 PM**

The more I noodle it, the more the Ivan Allen location seems a no-brainer. As someone pointed out the available surface area is much larger, providing for adequate parking and tailgating. The surface street connections to the Connector etc. are greatly improved by use of Ivan Allen Blvd., North Ave., Northside Dr. Both N/S and E/W MARTA stations are easy walking distance, meaning there is no need for a line transfer. The many existing venues already in the area will receive much more foot traffic during events and will encourage further development.

Libertarian · #**7417** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 5:15 PM**

I meant to add that the existing GWCC staging lot can be moved to the old dome location, so no loss of functionality for their operations.

joecool · #**7418** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 5:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by testarossa50

26 story office tower planned at Central Perimeter (rendering inside)
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2013/06/21/new-office-towers-enter-perimeter.html

Apartment "tower" planned by Lenox (no rendering, no details)
http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...mon-eyes-apartments-by-lenox-square.html

Ugh... I wish more of these were being built Downtown/Midtown. Am I the only one who feels like this? Sick of seeing Buckhead and Dunwoody get most of the new towers.

ChrisInmanPark · #**7419** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 5:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by joecool

Ugh... I wish more of these were being built Downtown/Midtown. Am I the only one who feels like this? Sick of seeing Buckhead and Dunwoody get most of the new towers.

I know how you feel. But at least they are being built next to a MARTA station and they are not in Alpharetta.

clexmond · #**7420** Posted **Jun 21, 2013, 6:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by joecool

Ugh... I wish more of these were being built Downtown/Midtown. Am I the only one who feels like this? Sick of seeing Buckhead and Dunwoody get most of the new towers.

Don't worry, their complete lack of anything resembling a grid network will catch up with them soon enough and much of the development will have to shift to Midtown and Downtown. I just recently read an article discussing the awful performance of the retail component of Terminus in Buckhead due to the excessive traffic along Piedmont / Peachtree in the area.