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Old Posted Jun 6, 2013, 2:30 AM
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I really hope these two small projects, and the tower proposed for Queen St actually happen - obviously for the density and investment in the area, but also because of the more contemporary design. Granted none of the proposals would get Frank Gehry or IM Pei excited, but they would certainly inject a bit more life into a neighborhood that really needs it. I'll give Dieppe a bye this time around but Moncton and Riverview desperately need to step away from the drab and conservative architecture!

I think we should really strive to develop our own look to distinguish us. At the moment, all we seem happy to build are white, grey, tan or beige rectangles. It's incongruent with the culture and vibrancy that the region has, and I think if we had a few projects that really stood out, it might get our developers out of their shells!
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Old Posted Jun 6, 2013, 1:32 PM
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I walked by the lot today, there is no way that house on the corner is Heritage, it has White Vinyl siding on it and when I looked inside it hasn't been well kept for recently having a business in it. So if anything it will be a god send to have it gone.

In my eyes it loses its Heritage Status as soon as someone puts vinyl siding on it... whats the point in designating something heritage and leave it there if its empty, it's just going to become another boarded up property that will sit empty till it becomes a fire hazard.
I live in a heritage home that has vinyl siding as well, which I assume was placed long before the bylaw came into effect. I believe that it would no longer be permitted, and that the city offers small grants to encourage home owners to revert to traditional materials.

Here's the bylaw: http://www.moncton.ca/Assets/Residents+English/By-Laws/Z-1102+-+Heritage+By-law.pdf

Schedule B lists those two houses (83 & 87-93 Botsford).

Section 8 of the bylaw states that a house can't be demolished without first attempting to sell it at a fair market price. Further conditions under sections 9 & 10.

On top of that, section 5 states that replacing a house that's a part of schedule B requires that the new development draw its design inspiration form one of the prevalent architectural styles of buildings located within the Preservation Area, and that it must use the same traditional materials and detailing as originally found on existing buildings of the same style within the Preservation Area.

I hardly see how that new building is reminiscent of the late 19th or early 20th century. I assume the city is asleep at the wheel.
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2013, 2:22 PM
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Schedule B lists those two houses (83 & 87-93 Botsford).

Section 8 of the bylaw states that a house can't be demolished without first attempting to sell it at a fair market price. Further conditions under sections 9 & 10.

On top of that, section 5 states that replacing a house that's a part of schedule B requires that the new development draw its design inspiration form one of the prevalent architectural styles of buildings located within the Preservation Area, and that it must use the same traditional materials and detailing as originally found on existing buildings of the same style within the Preservation Area.

I hardly see how that new building is reminiscent of the late 19th or early 20th century. I assume the city is asleep at the wheel.
So which properties are worthy of preservation for posterity?

This is the great challenge faced by all those individuals interested in historic preservation, while at the same time worried about stifling growth and preventing renewal in the urban core.

All conscientious North American cities (at least those in the east with histories going back more than 200 years) are trying to grapple with this issue. Basically, you can't preserve everything. If you do, you just drive growth to the periphery of the city and this will eventually hollow out the core. At the same time, it is vitally important that we preserve our built heritage as it is an important component of who we are. It reminds us of where we came from and contributes greatly to the character of our community.

A balance needs to be struck......

Individual properties should be preserved if the buildings can be proven to have historical merit, or if they are outstanding examples of the architectural form of their era. The Thomas Williams House downtown is an excellent example of this. A case can also be made where in some circumstances, entire neighbourhoods should be preserved if the streetscape is particularly historic or meritorious. A good example of this would be the neighbourhood around Victoria Park downtown. This neighbourhood is an exemplary example of early 20th century downtown residential architecture and is nicely complemented by the Victoria Park itself. The streetscape in this neighbourhood is very attractive and should be preserved at nearly all costs. If new construction in this neighbourhood is permitted, then it should very definitely complement the existing style of the street.

The case for 83 Botsford Street however is not so clear. This house, although considered a heritage property, is not really an outstanding exemplar of the period it was constructed and, to my knowledge, does not have any particular historical merit. The need to preserve this property therefore is relative rather than absolute.

The developer needs this property to consolidate enough land for his proposed development to proceed. The development in question has the elements that the city wishes to see in other future downtown projects, namely a street presence with ground level retail/commercial and upper level residential units. This type of development allows for downtown commercial growth and at the same time provides for the residential base to help support and nurture these new commercial enterprises. This type of project, if replicated throughout the core, allows people greater opportunities to live close to their places of employment, and would encourage walking rather than commuting. A vibrant downtown core would naturally follow from this trend.

In essence, I am saying that heritage laws shouldn't be obstructive, and should instead be applied in a judicious manner so that the best of our built heritage should be preserved, while at the same time new projects with merit are allowed to proceed. This is a fine balance to try to maintain, but if Moncton gets it right, we could have a truly spectacular downtown in 50 years time......
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Old Posted Jun 8, 2013, 3:24 PM
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Well, it looks like this house is ready for demolition. Drove by it today and the electrical system has been cut from the utility pole and the inside is completely empty. I also noticed an orange property line tag in the back.

Valron Engineers office is no longer located there, and a quick search online shows their offices are now at 100 Cameron st.

I predict the wrecking ball very soon.
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I don't disagree that the property is not visually appealing. There's a number of heritage properties like that. I don't understand how the city went about picking which properties are worthy of protection.

I looked through some old maps, and it looks like there was a church at that location up until at least 1911, so these two houses are not that old. And I found nothing in terms of anything historically interesting relating to them.

My main concern is that one day we'll lose something worth saving just because the city isn't paying attention -- or that it has limited authority through the Municipalities Act to actually do anything when something like the Castle Manor tree fiasco happened. Other than not personally having heard from the media about a heritage home being demolished, I have no reason to accuse the city of not following procedure; however, it's important that they do so in order to demonstrate to developers that they can't bulldoze anything they want.

My second concern is that I don't like the renders of that new building -- and I think the city ought to use the heritage bylaw to force the developers to build something with character.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 12:59 AM
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Interesting photo from Vintage Moncton



The old and the new on Main Street....
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That's a really cool picture!!
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Notice the big change:

Old: People walking around Downtown
New:More cars and no people
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 3:24 AM
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Notice the big change:

Old: People walking around Downtown
New:More cars and no people
True enough, but that's why we want the new events centre downtown isn't it. We want to increase foot traffic and add to the vitality of the area.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2013, 3:33 AM
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I completely agree, It needs to be built! This time of year there is a lot more foot traffic it just seems like the winter months is when it dies off, but hopefully the city council will get their buts in gear and start making this dream a reality. That recent study shows that whatever money they government spends will be made back within a few years. So I think the city finally has the right information to go forward!
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Glass installation at the back of the building is mostly complete.
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CTV News sneak peek on the progress on the construction of the new Moncton Museum and Transportation Discovery Centre.

http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=947493&binId=1.1145463&playlistPageNum=1

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My question is why was the old city hall built in a residential neighbourhood and not downtown in 1916?
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2013, 4:35 PM
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My question is why was the old city hall built in a residential neighbourhood and not downtown in 1916?
The city hall was downtown. They just relocated the facade to the Moncton Museum when the museum was built, and used it for the main entrance to the museum. Now the facade will form the back of the Transportation Discovery Centre foyer inside the building.....

Here is a photo of the original city hall from Vintage Moncton:

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It was originally where the plaza in front of the Assomption Place is now, right?
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It was originally where the plaza in front of the Assomption Place is now, right?
I believe so; yes. That's why they had to build the "old" new city hall as part of the Assumption Place development.
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Story from News 91.9

http://www.news919.com/2013/06/19/highfield-square-demolition-likely-later-this-year/

MONCTON, NB – The former Highfield Square Mall will likely be demolished sometime later this year now that the City of Moncton is the new owner.

The site is where the city wants to build a downtown centre.

City Manager Jacques Dube says it will likely be a coordinated effort since the former owner still owns the old Sobeys store attached to the mall.

“We’ve already had discussions with Crombie REIT… they are going to want to demolish their portion fairly soon because they have commercial interest and plans to undertake,” notes Dube.

City staff say the old mall will likely take a couple of months to tear down given that it may contain asbestos.

Dube adds an environmental cleanup will also have to take place before a contractor is ready to build on the site by 2015.

I wonder what this commercial interest and plans are?
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^ I'm not sure if its related but......

Today I passed 1234 Main and they have a new sign up showing that the Reno is merely "phase 1" they do intend to refit 1222 main as well!!

We the possible event center, aquilinni development, and the refit of 1222 and 1234 main that whole area could be so different in 5-10 years you wouldn't recognize it!
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2013, 1:41 AM
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I wonder what this commercial interest and plans are?
Indeed. There must be something afoot here!

This probably also explains why they never included this portion of the mall in the initial purchase proposal to the city. They have other plans for this bit of land.
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I wonder what this commercial interest and plans are?
Hopefully not a 2 story call centre...

I wonder if this commercial interest would be interested in working with and becoming a part of the new Events Centre building, considering their proximity.
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