Stadiums and Arenas of Canada

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

I agree with all said that Moncton deserves it, but the question remains, can they support one better than Halifax could?

The ability of Moncton to support events in massive numbers is evident to most who have lived in the Maritimes. People in southern NB already commute between the 3 big cities in the south to a considerable degree and do it all the time. New Brunswickers are like people in Maine in that they drive A LOT.

Halifax does look better on paper, but based on what I observed from living in Halifax for 20 years, it would be quite an even contest as to who would support a CFL team in greater numbers. The answer: they both would.

[osmo]

Originally Posted by mistercorporate

Just because you support it, doesn't mean that others do, if you were at the receiving end of all the hate Toronto receives then you'd understand. Clearly this had nothing to do with the previous bids, Montreal bidded 4 times before they landed the Summer Olympics. Toronto came in 3rd in '96 due to it being very soon after the last Canadian Olympics, it came in 2nd in 2008 due to politics (China was using the 1/4 of humanity never having had an Olympics card) though we had the best technical bid. 2024 looks very promising however, and I'd frankly rather get it now at this later stage since Toronto is a much more appealing city with more going for it than it was in '96 or '08.

And I agree with Chadillaccc, pretty cool!

Atlanta promised a windfall profit for the games and had bribes. Remember that in '96 Athens was supposed to host for the 100yr anniversary but they could not get their act together. The Chinese did some dodgy stuff also - Basically Toronto never played dirty. I forget which bid they bid they had which was superior, I believe it was 1996.

Toronto needs a summer game because it's the only way the Feds will invest and pump much need money into the City. It's infrastructure won't get fixed until the games happen. It sounds nutty but that's the foolishness that is Toronto and its place in the Federal context. No other Country dogs it's economic and population center like Canada. Evrey other places gives its City the tools and powers it needs so that the State can reap the rewards in taxes. Canada continues to drop the ball on this.

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by osmo

Atlanta promised a windfall profit for the games and had bribes. Remember that in '96 Athens was supposed to host for the 100yr anniversary but they could not get their act together. The Chinese did some dodgy stuff also - Basically Toronto never played dirty. I forget which bid they bid they had which was superior, I believe it was 1996.

Toronto needs a summer game because it's the only way the Feds will invest and pump much need money into the City. It's infrastructure won't get fixed until the games happen. It sounds nutty but that's the foolishness that is Toronto and its place in the Federal context. No other Country dogs it's economic and population center like Canada. Evrey other places gives its City the tools and powers it needs so that the State can reap the rewards in taxes. Canada continues to drop the ball on this.

Canada's not dropping the ball on anything. Rogers Centre and BMO field received a significant chunk of cash from the feds and neither were primarily used for amateur activities. No summer games involved there.

There is no reason for the feds to fund sports infrastructure in the city for professional teams -let the private sector do that. Especially in regards to a stadium. Why should the feds get involved?

[isaidso]

That said, our taxpayers dollars went to Skydome to provide a home for both the Jays and the Argonauts. Why wasn't that made a condition upon the sale to Rogers? Someone dropped the ball there by not looking after the interests of taxpayers. If Rogers wanted to turf the Argonauts, they should pay for their new football stadium. That they're getting away with it is scandalous.

[FrankieFlowerpot]

http://www.toronto2015.org/lang/en/galle...onto-2015-games-already-10-complete.html

To celebrate the new stadium, the City of Hamilton is collecting sports memorabilia and other items from residents and local sport heroes for a time capsule, which will be installed in the stadium during construction. The initial item added to the capsule was a medal from the first major international competition ever held in Canada: the 1930 British Empire Games.

The participant medal was donated to the city by Edna (Teddy) Robinson, a trailblazing educator in Hamilton, shortly before her death in 2005. The medal belonged to her father, M.M. (Bobby) Robinson, one of Hamilton’s great sports editors who founded what later become the Commonwealth Games on the same ground where the new stadium for the Pan Am Games is rising. At the time she donated the medal, she asked city staff to ensure people would always remember her father’s impact on sport in Canada.

The Hamilton stadium time capsule will contain memorabilia marking milestones of the former Ivor Wynne Stadium and the development of the new stadium and surrounding neighbourhood now and in the future.

Other time capsule contributions from partners supporting the TORONTO 2015 Games included a newspaper front page celebrating Toronto’s winning bid for the 2015 Pan Am/Parapan Am Games, a Team Ontario soccer kit and a book celebrating the history of Ivor Wynne Stadium.

[SteelTown]

Seems like a complete waste to burry a medal from Bobby Robinson, founder of the Commonwealth Games.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Halifax is obviously, clearly the place that would make more sense for it to be placed. Moncton is just the place fighting for it. Halifax is three times the size of Moncton, with healthy population and economic growth, much more of a corporate presence, much more of a chance of getting funding for a decent stadium, and a much bigger immediate population base to support the team. Hell, the province of Nova Scotia alone has over 200 000 more people than NB, plus Halifax has nearly 300 000 more people than Moncton.

You're making statements like "obviously and clearly the place that would make sense for it" without providing any evidence.

If you don't live here and don't know the differences between the cities and more importantly the potential supporting areas, looking at Wikipedia and comparing city population sizes doesn't show all that needs to be discussed in the debate. If that were the case the GTA would be the most obvious place to put a second CFL franchise and we know they have enough issues with the first.

You said Hfx has more of a corporate presence, which is true. That's one of the points I posted above in one of my posts that you don't read.

You're saying Halifax has much more of a chance for getting funding for a stadium. How is that, when Hfx councils have already previously botched a chance at a new stadium with a failed Commonwealth Games bid and rejected another stadium proposal and Moncton already has a relatively new stadium

Moncton has 1.3 million people within a 2.5 hour drive and is the 6th fastest growing city in Canada. These people are now used to coming to Moncton for shopping/concerts/🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 much like it used to be for Halifax (in the olden days) Except now it is three hours closer (it used to be three hours to Hfx from Moncton, with the "new" highway it's 2 1/2 hours)

Having lived in both places, 15/20 years ago I would have laughed at anybody who would have favoured Moncton over Halifax. But it's different now. Much of that could be attributed to Ian Fowler, GM of Moncton’s Economic Development, Tourism and Culture Department.

Fowler was a visionary and a doer. He helped change the attitude and perception of Moncton. The unfortunate reason why I mention this is that he died in late 2011 at a young age of cancer. If the city can carry on with his legacy and vision, there will be a new football team in town. If not, well...

[elly63]

Originally Posted by isaidso

The ability of Moncton to support events in massive numbers is evident to most who have lived in the Maritimes. People in southern NB already commute between the 3 big cities in the south to a considerable degree and do it all the time. based on what I observed from living in Halifax for 20 years, it would be quite an even contest as to who would support a CFL team in greater numbers. The answer: they both would.

Praise Allah!

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by elly63

You're making statements like "obviously and clearly the place that would make sense for it" without providing any evidence.

If you don't live here and don't know the differences between the cities and more importantly the potential supporting areas, looking at Wikipedia and comparing city population sizes doesn't show all that needs to be discussed in the debate. If that were the case the GTA would be the most obvious place to put a second CFL franchise and we know they have enough issues with the first.

You said Hfx has more of a corporate presence, which is true. That's one of the points I posted above in one of my posts that you don't read.

You're saying Halifax has much more of a chance for getting funding for a stadium. How is that, when Hfx councils have already previously botched a chance at a new stadium with a failed Commonwealth Games bid and rejected another stadium proposal and Moncton already has a relatively new stadium

Moncton has 1.3 million people within a 2.5 hour drive and is the 6th fastest growing city in Canada. These people are now used to coming to Moncton for shopping/concerts/🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 much like it used to be for Halifax (in the olden days) Except now it is three hours closer (it used to be three hours to Hfx from Moncton, with the "new" highway it's 2 1/2 hours)

Having lived in both places, 15/20 years ago I would have laughed at anybody who would have favoured Moncton over Halifax. But it's different now. Much of that could be attributed to Ian Fowler, GM of Moncton’s Economic Development, Tourism and Culture Department.

Fowler was a visionary and a doer. He helped change the attitude and perception of Moncton. The unfortunate reason why I mention this is that he died in late 2011 at a young age of cancer. If the city can carry on with his legacy and vision, there will be a new football team in town. If not, well...

Elly I don't know why you keep saying we're not showing evidence to support our comments. We've clearly explained why we believe Halifax would be a better location. Just because you disagree with our point of view doesn't mean we're not explaining ourselves.

I'm not saying that Moncton can't support a team. I'm saying Halifax is much less of a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵. Out of the 2 possible locations for a team in the Maritimes, I strongly believe Halifax has a better chance of being successful.

You also argue the fact that because Moncton has a stadium and Halifax doesn't, it should get the team. I hope you know that the current Moncton Stadium won't be nearly enough for a franchise. It would need millions in upgrades. Probably at least $100 million. If Halifax wanted to settle for a $20 million stadium it would probably already be done...

Maybe this will shed some light on the issue: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2013/03/01/nb-moncton-cfl-future-155.html

[Chadillaccc]

He says that every time someone disagrees with him. Next will be that we are childish and juvenile, even though he is the one name-calling, and panicking because we don't agree with his view.

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

He says that every time someone disagrees with him. Next will be that we are childish and juvenile, even though he is the one name-calling, and panicking because we don't agree with his view.

Ya I can see that. He wants us to show evidence for things that have been discussed on this forum a hundred times. He can't accept that people have opinions that differ from his apparently...

[AuxTown]

This Moncton vs. Halifax is a non-debate. Moncton has 140k people in its metro whereas Halifax has over 400k. Unless Moncton is expected to have fans that are at least as crazy as Sask (draws from two different metros well over 200k) then they are going to have a hard time filling seats. With a 30k seat stadium, 1 in every 5 people (including babies and seniors) would have to be attending every football game, which is not very likely. I know they had great crowds for a few concerts in recent years, but those were huge international bands who drew folks from 100's of km away and further; many even drove in from Halifax. A regular season CFL game against the Argos is not going to have that kind of drawing power. Halifax is less of a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 just based on population but the lack of real ownership interest or pre-franchise fan support suggests both would be a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

He says that every time someone disagrees with him. Next will be that we are childish and juvenile, even though he is the one name-calling, and panicking because we don't agree with his view.

You keep getting personal because all you can do is make generalized statements. All you've basically said is Halifax has a larger population than Moncton. I first posted about Halifax's larger corporate base which was parroted by hybrid.

If you guys know so much about the area and the people please post uour insight, I've lived in both. If people here are under the misconception that either Moncton or Halifax by themselves can support a franchise, they'd be wrong. It has to be a Maritime franchise, that's one reason why Moncton and its centrality might be a better option than Halifax.

I could care less if you disagree with me, I'll be happy if either gets the franchise because it will be a Maritime franchise. At least try and add something to the discussion other than one is a bigger city than the other.

[elly63]

Originally Posted by O-Town Hockey

This Moncton vs. Halifax is a non-debate.

You might want to tell the CFL commissioner that

[Matrix19]

another update for the Quebec City NHL arena

Photo from Canoe :



http://argent.canoe.ca/nouvelles/le-coli...et-pour-une-franchise-de-la-lnh-23052013

[Shinook]

Originally Posted by Matrix19

another update for the Quebec City NHL arena

Photo from Canoe :



http://argent.canoe.ca/nouvelles/le-coli...et-pour-une-franchise-de-la-lnh-23052013

This is not an NHL arena. Why?

Newsflash: QUEBEC CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN NHL TEAM

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by elly63

You keep getting personal because all you can do is make generalized statements. All you've basically said is Halifax has a larger population than Moncton. I first posted about Halifax's larger corporate base which was parroted by hybrid.

If you guys know so much about the area and the people please post uour insight, I've lived in both. If people here are under the misconception that either Moncton or Halifax by themselves can support a franchise, they'd be wrong. It has to be a Maritime franchise, that's one reason why Moncton and its centrality might be a better option than Halifax.

I could care less if you disagree with me, I'll be happy if either gets the franchise because it will be a Maritime franchise. At least try and add something to the discussion other than one is a bigger city than the other.

If anything was parroted it's because you continue to ask us to explain our point of views and we're forced to continuously repeat the same thing! If I were to use your same claim against you I'd be saying that you're only argument is that Moncton is in a central location. Stop playing stupid.

I feel like I'm arguing with a child who, no matter what answer I give, will just keep asking "why?".

Oh and one last thing... It's ironic that you say we're getting personal. If I recall correctly wasn't it you who got all personal over the Hamilton Stadium because you knew someone who worked on the project? Your arguments are empty words and your credibility has plummeted to 0.

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by Shinook

This is not an NHL arena. Why?

Newsflash: QUEBEC CITY DOES NOT HAVE AN NHL TEAM

Lol maybe it should be NHL-calibre arena instead.

[blueandgoldguy]

Originally Posted by Matrix19

another update for the Quebec City NHL arena

Photo from Canoe :



http://argent.canoe.ca/nouvelles/le-coli...et-pour-une-franchise-de-la-lnh-23052013

Wow, that's coming along nicely Matrix! I didn't think we would see the arena in Quebec City rise so quickly out of the ground. I take it those tower-like structures along the outer wall would be the staircases and elevators of the arena?

[elly63]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

Oh and one last thing... It's ironic that you say we're getting personal. If I recall correctly wasn't it you who got all personal over the Hamilton Stadium because you knew someone who worked on the project? Your arguments are empty words and your credibility has plummeted to 0.

I said knowing somebody didn't affect my opinion it just gave me some insight into why the stadium was what it was. But if you want to see some conspiracy in that go ahead. I did offer the information, you wouldn't have known otherwise. Aside from living in both Halifax and Moncton, I have no vested interest in who gets the franchise, so you can believe that or not.

My credibility (didn't know I had any) is plummeting because I'm asking you guys to explain why something 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 or it is clear and obvious? If you're skin is that thin perhaps you shouldn't read my posts, even though you keep reading them.

Do you guys have any clue about the makeup of these two markets? Taking your generalized population comment to heart would tell us Toronto would be a great place to put a CFL franchise and Regina would not.

I've put my reasons why I think Moncton would be a good site. The reason I keep asking why (like a kid) is because you don't say anything. I'll keep asking and you can think I'm trolling but I'm just looking for explanations. Look at mistercorporate he explained his opinions, I don't know if he was right but at least he explained his opinion.

Let me start you out with what I already posted.

Halifax is better because:
It has a larger local population
It has a larger corporate presence
It has a higher profile university football history

Anything else? More specific?