Stadiums and Arenas of Canada - Page 118

elly63 · #**2341** Posted **May 16, 2013, 9:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Chadillaccc

Elly, it's like you think there is a big conspiracy against Hamilton in this argument, there isn't. It's just a hideous stadium with no professional look or innovative design to it. That's all. We do not need to outline and pin point everything that is wrong with it, because to us, the design speaks for itself. We can see the renders, and they are horrid.

I never thought any such thing about Hamilton. All I'm seeing is a bunch of juvenile posts basically saying "it 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵" and no one is saying why. What do you call innovative design? Why are the renders horrid? Surely you must be able to say what the problem is apparently it is too much for me to ask people to explain themselves. Maybe they can't and it's just bitching for the sake of bitching, like referrals to the previous proposed sites

Prometheus · #**2342** Posted **May 16, 2013, 11:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by elly63

How come nobody can tell me the reasons why it's "second rate and now crappy" It's like being with 12 year olds and the total extent of their criticism is... "it 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵". I thought people here had a little more intelligence than that, I guess I was wrong.

Oh my God, many of the obvious shortcomings of the Hamilton stadium have been pointed out numerous times in this thread already.

Here are just a couple:

The complete lack of aesthetic consideration given to its exterior: There is no cladding or any meaningful exterior expression. Its unsightly guts of metal girders and beams are left utterly naked and exposed. The structure makes no attempt to relate to its environment in an attractive way. At best, the stadium's exterior is uninspiring; at worst, it's an eyesore.

The absence of permanent endzone seating: The lack of an animated and noisy crowd enveloping the entire field of play detracts from the atmosphere, in the stadium and on television. Moreover, a stadium without any stands at the ends of the field is more closely associated with amateur sports than a growing professional football league. With the exception of Ottawa, every other CFL franchise either has or is building a stadium with seating in both endzones. By moving from a stadium which had seating in one endzone to a stadium which has seating in neither endzone, the Tiger Cats are taking a step backwards, not forward.

Here is another shortcoming:

Poor sightlines for most spectators: The stands are utterly straight. When the play is further down the field, one's view is easily obstructed by other spectators leaning out to see the action. The Romans discovered 2,000 years ago that this problem could be mitigated by creating curved stands.

Chadillaccc · #**2343** Posted **May 16, 2013, 11:07 PM**

and there, now you have three of the many reasons which have been stated several times by myself and others, literally spelled out for you now. Thanks Prometheus!

elly63 · #**2344** Posted **May 16, 2013, 11:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

The complete lack of aesthetic consideration given to its exterior: There is no cladding or any meaningful exterior expression. Its unsightly guts of metal girders and beams are left utterly naked and exposed. The structure makes no attempt to relate to its environment in an attractive way. At best, the stadium's exterior is uninspiring; at worst, it's an eyesore.

The absence of permanent endzone seating: The lack of an animated and noisy crowd enveloping the entire field of play detracts from the atmosphere, in the stadium and on television. Moreover, a stadium without any stands at the ends of the field is more closely associated with amateur sports than a growing professional football league. With the exception of Ottawa, every other CFL franchise either has or is building a stadium with seating in both endzones. By moving from a stadium which had seating in one endzone to a stadium which has seating in neither endzone, the Tiger Cats are taking a step backwards, not forward.

Here is another shortcoming:

Poor sightlines for most spectators: The stands are utterly straight. When the play is further down the field, one's view is easily obstructed by other spectators leaning out to see the action. The Romans discovered 2,000 years ago that this problem could be mitigated by creating curved stands.

At least this is a start. How do you know what materials will be used for the exteriors? We haven't seen any detailed drawings. Are you basing this on a particular drawing? As for the exposed girders and beams they are supposed to be covered at eye level an example of which Frankie provided with the London Olympic stadium. Part of the building's aesthetic was to blend in with the neighborhood and not overshadow it.

The endzone seating is based entirely on the people of Hamilton. The budget for Infrastructure Ontario precluded it, the city of Hamilton or the Ti-Cats can add endzone seating if they so wish.

And Chadillaccc you've added nothing but "it 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵" posts. If there are many reasons as you say, how about adding some more. I've no problem with the haters but I'm going to ask them to get off their 🞵🞵🞵 and explain their opinion.

Only The Lonely.. · #**2345** Posted **May 17, 2013, 1:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Top stadium in Canada:

She's a thing of beauty driving onto campus..

Now if only we can hook up the new stadium to a proper rail system.

FrankieFlowerpot · #**2346** Posted **May 17, 2013, 1:42 AM**

Re: Endzone seating - as part of the PSOS documents that each bid team received there was a criteria that 80% of the seating had to be within the goal-lines. The seats on each end run to the end of the endzones with gives the other 20% of seats

Re: Poor sightlines as I said before - the new stadium has better sightlines than the old IW

http://newstadiumnewexperience.com/the-experience/

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The new stadium will have the best sightlines for football of any facility in Canada. A capacity reduction and tremendous sightlines will fuel energy and emotion to create a powerful yet intimate live atmosphere.

Dr Awesomesauce · #**2347** Posted **May 17, 2013, 1:53 AM**

@elly63

While I appreciate your 'finger flinging' comment - very funny - and your steadfast support for this stadium, you don't understand the vitriol Hamiltonians feel about this project because, well, you're not a Hamiltonian, you're detached from it all.

Many of us had our hearts set on a beautiful new waterfront stadium. Sure, there were flaws to that idea but the thought of being able to showcase our city from the beautiful West Harbour and not the industrial East End was intoxicating. Incidentally, Hamilton was to host all Pan-Am athletics events and most of the football matches (not to mention build a velodrome next to the proposed stadium - over the months, Hamilton's role in the games has be whittled down to just football). Anyway, those waterfront plans were derailed by the Kitty Cats - for no good reason - and a feckless City Council after which months and months of nonsense ensued, including threats by Bob Young that he'd move the team if he didn't get what he wanted. My life-long support for the TiCats really wavered during that time and remains tenuous, I have to say.

So, long story short, here we are back in the same 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 location as Ivor Wynne - overlooking our necrotic steel mills and all the other detritus of a once glorious industrial past - with a stadium which the City and the public had absolutely no say in in terms of design, etc. I understand that $119MM or $150MM or whatever the price tag really is isn't a lot of money, but I have the feeling that if we'd gone ahead with the waterfront location investors would have come out of the woodwork - there certainly seemed to be lots of interest at the time.

There's so much more to say but, God help me, I haven't got the strength. Here's a link to 200+ pages of pure sh*te about the stadium in the Hamilton section - http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=175400

christopherj · #**2348** Posted **May 17, 2013, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Um, why are you all stealing our Arena thunder?

Because our arena has already been "official" three times already.

We're like the boy who cried wolf.

trebor204 · #**2349** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:45 AM**

Former Winnipeg Stadium under demolition
(Pictures taken this week)

Migs · #**2350** Posted **May 17, 2013, 5:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Um, why are you all stealing our Arena thunder?

Congrats on the new arena, can't wait to see pics of it going up. That and the Regina stadium will be going up simultaneously, will be fun to watch.

Migs · #**2351** Posted **May 17, 2013, 5:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Steveston

IMHO, Soldier Field is a masterpiece of stadium renovation. The cantilevered video boards, the rake of the triple-tiered east side, the bank of suites. It looks great because it looks so different from the cookie-cutter bowls in so many other US cities.

Had a look-see at the new Vikings Stadium? That's gorgeous!

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/photo...3c6#8f96ecbb-edb1-4552-92cd-16d0e381d0d0

Vikings stadium looks fantastic. HKS Architects who designed this stadium as well as Cowboy's Stadium are one of the 3 finalists for bids for the Regina stadium. Be very interesting to see what they come up with, I think its also safe to say that they are the early 'favourite' to win the project since they are teamed up with PCL who does ALOT of govt projects here in Sask.

May the best team win.

craner · #**2352** Posted **May 17, 2013, 7:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

People don't care that they only had 119m to work with - the stadium does look second rate. You may like it but most don't. Crappy stadium in a crappy part of the city. Luckily it's main use is only for the CFL, so it's not totally inappropriate.

It would have been marginally acceptable if the east stands were a mirror of the west, however, probably can't be done for 119 mil. Surely there is someone in the Hammer that could have kicked in some additional funds (ala Katz)?
That said, the new digs are an improvement over IWS and I don't think as tragic as some are making the new stadium out to be.

Coldrsx · #**2353** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:04 PM**

Winter skating rink I presume.

http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1...gen/derivatives/landscape_1020/image.jpg)

(http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1...gen/derivatives/landscape_1020/image.jpg)

Biff · #**2354** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:28 PM**

The Winnipeg stadium demolition looks like the new design for Hamilton's under construction stadium.

Coldrsx · #**2355** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:30 PM**

From the CTV story

Chadillaccc · #**2356** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

The Winnipeg stadium demolition looks like the new design for Hamilton's under construction stadium.

haha! At least the Winnipeg demolition has a partial roof over it

Coldrsx · #**2357** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:40 PM**

(http://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1...gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpeg)

Chadillaccc · #**2358** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:43 PM**

You buggers up there are sooooooooooo lucky! I hope Calgary's new Stadiums will be even half as nice as that!

esquire · #**2359** Posted **May 17, 2013, 3:58 PM**

Very impressive arena design for Edmonton. People can quibble with the funding arrangements and debate that aspect of it, but the project itself looks flawless.

Chadillaccc · #**2360** Posted **May 17, 2013, 6:58 PM**

Wow, Winnpeg! Looking fantastic!

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Originally Posted by Cyrodill

New Blue stadium lives up to the hype; now it's up to you By: Ed Tait
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http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/unbelievable-stunning-incredible-207836081.html

Sight Lines at IGF top row/corner