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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 5:52 PM
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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 10:12 PM
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Somehow those new renderings make the new Hamilton stadium look even worse than the last set did. It's a shame that no one can pull this project out of the muck... Hamilton is going to be stuck with this expensive dud for a long time.
     
     
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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 10:13 PM
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These updates renderings look exactly the same as the old renderings.
     
     
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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 10:29 PM
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For some reason it looks worse, I agree with Esquire. I didn't know it was possible for a professional North American stadium to look less professional than it already did.
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Old Posted May 14, 2013, 10:34 PM
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Anywho... here's a great update of the construction of tower 1 (of 3) at Rogers Arena! The photo is by Built Form, in the Vancouver section. Can't believe how quickly this one is moving along!

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Quebec new NHL arena , update :
     
     
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 12:57 AM
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When are we gonna know if Quebec's getting a team? It all seems a little strange.
     
     
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Councillors pan stadium design tweaks
Emma Reilly thespec.com May 14/2013

Disappointing. Bland. Nondescript.

These are only some of the words councillors are using to describe the design of the $145.7-million Pan Am stadium.

Councillors on the planning committee got a glimpse of the most recent renderings of the stadium Tuesday. Though the final design hasn't been approved, city staff say they're now satisfied the stadium meets all of the city's urban design guidelines.

However, councillors didn't like what they saw.

"When I look at this stadium, it has no theme, no character, it's bland and nondescript," said Councillor Chad Collins. "It looks like a high school stadium you might see in the Southern U.S., where football is huge."

However, as Councillor Lloyd Ferguson points out, they have little control over the design at this point.

"We can't take the time to get it right, because we have to have it ready by July 1, 2014. I think it's really touch-and-go that we'll get there, and I just don't want us to wear any of the blame for delaying them," he said. "The whole thing's so uncomfortable."

City staff have been working on a tweaked design for the past several months with Ontario Sports Solutions, the consortium in charge of building the stadium. The first attempt did not conform to the city's urban design guidelines, and of particular concern was the fact that the design called for the underside of the stands to be exposed to the street.

In the updated rendering, several changes were made including lightening the colours, adding mesh screening and banners to hide the underside of the stands, and placing additional seating and art in the public square planned for the corner of Cannon Street and Balsam Avenue.

The individual masonry pieces have been shrunk to the same size as the bricks in the surrounding homes, while bands of contrasting stonework have been added at street level for pedestrian interest.

Despite these changes, councillors were overwhelmingly unimpressed with the design.

Councillor Terry Whitehead, who was particularly concerned about the exposed stands, says the proposed solution is nothing more than "mosquito netting" and "posters."

"I don't think a bunch of banners and screening on the back side of the stadium is a legacy whatsoever," said Whitehead.

Meanwhile, the city is still in negotiations with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats about the long-term stadium lease. The team and the city have a memorandum of understanding (MOU) in place that outlines the basics of the agreement, but the terms of the formal 20-year lease are still being worked out.

Ferguson says the delay is being caused by some extra requests from the Tiger-Cats that aren't included in the MOU. However, since the lease is still under negotiation, Ferguson says he can't say exactly what's causing the problem.

"It's been suggested there should be some additional items that aren't in the MOU," he said.

However, Ticats president Scott Mitchell says it's been "a very, very positive, productive process. I don't see any reason why we're not going to bring this to fruition. There haven't been issues whatsoever."

In the MOU, the city agreed to pay the full costs of the Ticats' practice facility during the reconstruction of the stadium.

Ferguson says that facility isn't needed until June, which gives both sides another month or so to come up with an agreement.
     
     
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 1:30 AM
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Latest renders new PanAM/Ivor Wynne stadium May 14/2013











     
     
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Too late to fix design of "high school" stadium design for Pan Am games
Process is mostly out of their hands, they say
Samantha Craggs, CBC News May 14, 2013

Hamilton city councillors still aren't happy with the "high school" design of the new Pan Am stadium, but say there's not much they can do about it now.

Members of the planning committee looked over the latest plans at a meeting Tuesday. They compared it to a high school stadium, and called the screens covering the underside of the seats as “mosquito netting.”

But at this point, the process is out of the council's hands, Coun. Terry Whitehead said.

“I think it's unfortunate that it's the only stadium in the city of Hamilton and it can be compared to a high school stadium,” he said. “I just think it falls short.”

The $145-million stadium resulted from an agreement between the Pan Am Games and Infrastructure Ontario, the province's construction agency. The city has had little authority in the process, Whitehead said.

There have been benefits to the arrangement — the city would have had to spend $90 million to repair the former Ivor Wynne Stadium, he said. With this arrangement, the city is contributing $45 million and getting a new stadium.

But the process has been a lesson learned, said Coun. Lloyd Ferguson of Ancaster, co-chair of the city's stadium subcommittee. If he could do it again, he'd like to see the city work with the Pan Am Games directly.

“Take control of things yourself. Don't turn it over to a Toronto agency,” he said.

“We have a good reputation now and we can deliver these big projects on time and on schedule.”

Crews have started work on the foundation. Building permits are being issued in three stages — substructure, superstructure and fit and finish. The city's next move is to issue a superstructure permit, which will include the steel structure of the building.

City staff continue to work with the Ontario Sports Solutions consortium on the urban design, and won't issue the superstructure permit until they've come to an agreement, said Steve Robichaud, manager of development planning. Council's comments will be taken into account.

But it's too late for any major changes, Ferguson said. The stadium must be completed by July 2015. If it isn't, there will be penalties, financial and otherwise.

Changes have been made to the plans based on council feedback, senior planner Heather Travis said. Those include changes to masonry, seating and the football-shaped plaza, including more space for public art.

“We're certainly at this point coming close to resolutions,” she said.

Coun. Chad Collins says he's still hoping for more major eleventh-hour changes.

“This looks like a high school stadium you might see in the southern states,” he said. “For me, there's an element of disappointment. I think people expected more.”
     
     
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New updated rendering released today


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https://twitter.com/EmmaatTheSpec/status/334317255275991041/photo/1

stadium design has been tweaked - underside of the stands has been screened, colours have been lightened


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Some US high schools would be really jealous of this design. Others not as much.
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 3:26 AM
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When are we gonna know if Quebec's getting a team? It all seems a little strange.
It will probably be a Winnipeg situation where it will take 10 years to get a team, and they'll have to be patient about it, cause we know coming in strongly/confrontationally (à la Balsilie) will not work in their favour
     
     
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I'am the only one who think the new hamilton stadium is not too bad? I don't say is a masterpiece but...i'm okay with it
     
     
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I like the West grandstand. The East one is all kinds of Mickey Mouse, it seems, but who knows?
     
     
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Old Posted May 15, 2013, 5:53 AM
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“This looks like a high school stadium you might see in the southern states,” he said. “For me, there's an element of disappointment. I think people expected more.”
He's echoing the sentiments of lots of people. In southern Ontario, the CFL continually battles the perception that it's second rate/not major league and this stadium design doesn't help one little bit. Let's hope they can pull a rabbit out of a hat and end up with something passable. What were they thinking? Clearly they weren't.
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Mmmmmm....The worst new Stadium I have ever seen. Are the architects and designers blind. 🞵🞵🞵🞵 that has been built in the 50s is better than this. Hamilton deserves better. Hopefully a redesign is in order!
     
     
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The worst part is that the CFL itself didn't design the thing. They would obviously prefer something more akin to the structures you see elsewhere in the country. The fact that this stadium is second rate shouldn't reflect badly on the league. It should reflect on Pan-am and the city of Hamilton.

The CFL and Hamiltonians deserve better, and should get better. It isn't the fault of the CFL. Even major leagues like the NFL don't shovel money out for their stadiums. So why should this reflect the league? Because they are settling? Well there hasn't been anyone willing to dish out the money for it.

This will also effect who the stadium draws as well. I don't know what Hamilton is like for concert and event draws (being right next door to Toronto) but this sure won't help them pull in any big names for what are normally stadium concerts.
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Considering they are well underway with foundation work - a redesign is highly unlikely
     
     
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Downtown Arena here in Edmonton goes back to Council again today, hopefully for the last time...

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I'am the only one who think the new hamilton stadium is not too bad? I don't say is a masterpiece but...i'm okay with it
No, you're not alone. I have no idea where the venom for this stadium is coming from. The same ridiculous US high school references from a Hamilton councilor (which I have debunked many times) and the same other city councilors bitching.

People on here were bitching about it before even seeing the actual new renders. All that was available was a photo on Twitter showing a montage of the latest drawings which were so small you couldn't tell anything from them.

Posters, please detail for me and Darkcanadian, because apparently we are too thick to understand, what exactly is second rate about this stadium.

And even then, exactly what has Hamilton and Toronto done to deserve Winnipeg-like facilities. Been a drain to the league is about all they've done in the past few years. The stadium isn't second rate, that bunch of "lace curtain Irish" in Southern Ontario is second rate.

Definition of "lace curtain Irish" - people who act above their station without having done anything to deserve it.

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