Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3 - Page 184

Stenar · #**3661** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by ajiuO

Little off topic.. But I thought That I would mention it..

The movie SLC Punk is getting a sequel called Punk is Dead. The original cast is returning.. Im hoping that it films in SLC.

I hope it films in SLC, too! I was living in NYC when SLC Punk came out. I went to the Angelika Theatre and asked the guy in the ticket booth for a ticket to see "Salt Lake City Punk" and he had this look on his face, dawning on him what SLC stood for.

ajiuO · #**3662** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by jtrent77

I think RWP proves to be a better location, you just need to connect the hotel across 200W by either a skyway, or better yet, you put all of 200 W below grade as it is earlier on in that block and expand the convention center over the top of 200W, as well as having a connection point to the north part of the convention center which is already on the west side of 200W. That way convention goers would not even have to cross a street to get to the hotel.

What about RWP is better from the point of view of a hotel operator? First of all. We don't need any more blocks merged.. I don't like the idea of 2 blocks of 200 w being under ground at all.. That kills walkability.

A hotel operators first concern is not going to be making 200 south a nicer place.. Its going to be offering its customer base the best experience possible.. The RWP location is completely uninspiring... The Plaza Hotel location would offer a much better experience in almost every way... Not to mention the views of temple square and all of the tranquility and beauty in the area...

With RWP you get amazing views of the likes of the shilo inn and some of the city's most ghetto architecture.. The only advantage RWP has is that it is a couple blocks closer to bars... A couple of restaurants and a bar could easily be made s part of the development.. Plus main street isn't that far.. A nice restaurant could even be put in the base of 99W

ajiuO · #**3663** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:48 AM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

I hope it films in SLC, too! I was living in NYC when SLC Punk came out. I went to the Angelika Theatre and asked the guy in the ticket booth for a ticket to see "Salt Lake City Punk" and he had this look on his face, dawning on him what SLC stood for.

I love SLC punk.. It was filmed in the area I grew up in.. Even at my high school.. I use to practically live at crossroads.. A lot of punks use to hang out there to... Its awesome to have a movie like that.

SLC Projects · #**3664** Posted **May 10, 2013, 6:06 AM**

The shilo Inn and the Plaze Hotel have been brought up a lot as a site for the CCH, but are either of them willing to sell?

delts145 · #**3665** Posted **May 10, 2013, 9:34 AM**

There is absolutely ZERO chance that the LDS leadership will warm up to a Convention Hotel across the street from Temple Square. I think we all agree that the old Plaza lot has many excellent positives. For a number of obvious reasons, that's almost as unlikely to happen as the construction of a casino.

Looking again at the photo below. Even though there's no chance for a Convention Hotel at the Plaza site, it would look very cool if the LDS Church were to construct an attractive residence tower there.

Also, the RoyalWood plot will be a very attractive site from this angle for the CCH.

delts145 · #**3666** Posted **May 10, 2013, 11:01 AM**

Anyone willing to take this popular photo and place the new UPAC Tower in it? You can see where a clear glass
tower with a very angulated treatment, is going to be a welcome addition and change for the skyline.

By CountyLemonade...http://upload.wikimedia.org

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Makid · #**3667** Posted **May 10, 2013, 12:12 PM**

Regarding the site of the current Plaza hotel, it is currently being used as student housing for LDS Business College. The LDS church would need to move the students out of the building before they would sell the land.

They don't have a problem with a hotel on the land there, they just don't want to run it.

I do know that there are 5 sites that have been discussed for the hotel, they are all either connected to or directly across the street from the Convention Center. RWP being the extraneous case where even though it would be across the street, it would be built to connect to the Convention Center.

I can also state that I have been told that no existing hotel would be removed for the Convention Hotel. So the Shilo is here to stay for a while.

TimeSaltlake · #**3668** Posted **May 10, 2013, 12:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Anyone willing to take this popular photo and place the new UPAC Tower in it? You can see where a clear glass
tower with a very angulated treatment, is going to be a welcome addition and change for the skyline.

By CountyLemonade...http://upload.wikimedia.org

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Just putting this out there. If you add the 111 main tower and the 100s state street tower it will pretty much complete the skyline from this view.

jedikermit · #**3669** Posted **May 10, 2013, 1:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

Jedikermit,
How about a 400' tall LEGO building?!

*faints*

jedikermit · #**3670** Posted **May 10, 2013, 1:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by UTPlanner

SLC Planning is starting to work on an update to the Downtown Master Plan. We've developed a cool website or at least I think it's cool, where you can click anywhere downtown and leave a note about the location: http://maps.slcgov.com/iamdowntown/ It just went live this afternoon so it's a bit empty.

Oh, I love that. I'll share it with other development nerds I hang with.

scottharding · #**3671** Posted **May 10, 2013, 3:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by ajiuO

What about RWP is better from the point of view of a hotel operator? First of all. We don't need any more blocks merged.. I don't like the idea of 2 blocks of 200 w being under ground at all.. That kills walkability.

A hotel operators first concern is not going to be making 200 south a nicer place.. Its going to be offering its customer base the best experience possible.. The RWP location is completely uninspiring... The Plaza Hotel location would offer a much better experience in almost every way... Not to mention the views of temple square and all of the tranquility and beauty in the area...

With RWP you get amazing views of the likes of the shilo inn and some of the city's most ghetto architecture.. The only advantage RWP has is that it is a couple blocks closer to bars... A couple of restaurants and a bar could easily be made s part of the development.. Plus main street isn't that far.. A nice restaurant could even be put in the base of 99W

Deja Vu.

shakman · #**3672** Posted **May 10, 2013, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by delts145

Anyone willing to take this popular photo and place the new UPAC Tower in it? You can see where a clear glass
tower with a very angulated treatment, is going to be a welcome addition and change for the skyline.

By CountyLemonade...http://upload.wikimedia.org

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Roughly where will the tower be placed from this angle?

DCRes · #**3673** Posted **May 10, 2013, 4:19 PM**

Thought I would post these two pictures together so I could visualize how the two buildings will fit.

ajiuO · #**3674** Posted **May 10, 2013, 4:50 PM**

To say that there is 0 chance that the church would work out a deal for that property is ridiculous... Its better to talk about it with them before you dismiss it. There are a number of deals that could be worked out.. There is a lot of land around west high that could be included in the deal.

As for student housing. The building on the nw corner of 400 west and n temple would be great to convert for that purpose.. Also seasons at city creek does student housing and they are planning on building more.

Sorry.. Im going to be an advocate of the plaza hotel location until something is a done deal and they have decided on s location... I also don't think the church is beyond negotiations.. A hotel in that location would be great for them as well.

Im not suggesting the church operate the hotel.. Just work out a deal for the land... If they were willing to talk.. That would most likely be a hotel operators first choice of location.

Orlando · #**3675** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by ajiuO

What about RWP is better from the point of view of a hotel operator? First of all. We don't need any more blocks merged.. I don't like the idea of 2 blocks of 200 w being under ground at all.. That kills walkability.

A hotel operators first concern is not going to be making 200 south a nicer place.. Its going to be offering its customer base the best experience possible.. The RWP location is completely uninspiring... The Plaza Hotel location would offer a much better experience in almost every way... Not to mention the views of temple square and all of the tranquility and beauty in the area...

With RWP you get amazing views of the likes of the shilo inn and some of the city's most ghetto architecture.. The only advantage RWP has is that it is a couple blocks closer to bars... A couple of restaurants and a bar could easily be made s part of the development.. Plus main street isn't that far.. A nice restaurant could even be put in the base of 99W

A huge advantage that the RWP lot has is that it's right next to all the restaurants and dance clubs in that area. And, the architecture is not that ghetto in that area. There's a lot of neat restored architecture on 200 south and 200 west with restaurants in them. Plus, Pierpont and 300 south with all of its restaurants are right there, too. There's Red Rock Brewery, PF Chang's, Squatter's, Rose Wagner Theater, Café Pierpont, and a lot more. Do a Google Street View or walk down there if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Oh, also, there's all those little shops and cafes on 200 south from 300 west to the Gateway, and then there's the Gateway.

Oh, also, the RWP site bridges the gap between the CBD and the Gateway. It has the potential to be a catalyst for more projects to fill in those missing gaps.

A big disadvantage that the Plaza Hotel location has, is that the hotel would block views of the Salt Lake Temple. There are view corridors that the city tries to respect. The two that I'm aware of is the Temple and the other is the City and County Building.

Makid · #**3676** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:10 PM**

The LDS Church is very committed to helping Salt Lake grow as well as compete.

They want more visitors to come to the city as that will bring more people to temple square. That is one reason they have leased land under the convention center to the County for $1.00 a year.

I do know or at least did, that they had a long range proposal for a BYU campus expansion on the block due east of the Triad center. They also have plans for more student housing for the expansions.

They didn't have any plans for the current Plaza hotel site until they had developed more housing for students. Once that is complete, it was my understanding that they were going to redevelop the land where the Plaza sits into something else. I don't know what though as it was at least 30 years out at the time.

Now, this information is about 10 years old so plans may have changed since that time.

livedowntown · #**3677** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:14 PM**

Another is to the Cathedral of the Madeline

Stenar · #**3678** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

A big disadvantage that the Plaza Hotel location has, is that the hotel would block views of the Salt Lake Temple. There are view corridors that the city tries to respect. The two that I'm aware of is the Temple and the other is the City and County Building.

I don't think anyone at the church or city cares much about respecting the views of the temple, since the LDS church just built several buildings blocking the view of the temple from the south.

Stenar · #**3679** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by Orlando

And, the architecture is not that ghetto in that area. There's a lot of neat restored architecture on 200 south and 200 west with restaurants in them.

Here is the lovely, "NOT GHETTO" view from RWP:

Source: Google Street View

The two buildings on the right are vacant. A new hotel there, might spur redevelopment, however.

Orlando · #**3680** Posted **May 10, 2013, 5:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Stenar

I don't think anyone at the church or city cares much about respecting the views of the temple, since the LDS church just built several buildings blocking the view of the temple from the south.

To the contrary, the view corridor that has been in place, to my understanding, is the east to west view of the temple, and from the north west. I hear about the view corridors from the RUDAT team when they came in, and I believe SLC planning has adopted them, but maybe UTPlanner or someone else in the know can clarify. But, to say that the church or anyone in the city cares much about respecting views of the temple does not sound right at all. I'm sure the church cares very much about respecting views of the temple to a certain extent.