Northeast False Creek | Proposed - Page 18

Sir Conga · #**341** Posted **Oct 1, 2011, 3:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster

might be a great spot for a beach/pool combo a la Kits or 2nd Beach.

That would be a dream come true. It seems like the perfect spot

delboy · #**342** Posted **Oct 1, 2011, 12:44 PM**

I see this as yet another lost opportunity to create a vibrant waterfront area, defined by bars, restaurants etc and not condos or parks as is the case in Vancouver. The use of the majority of vancouver,s waterfront areas is a shame, even white rock has done more with their waterfront.

Millennium2002 · #**343** Posted **Oct 1, 2011, 1:05 PM**

I have to concur somewhat with that... haven't been to White Rock in awhile but those restaurants and bars surely seemed to be a draw when I visited that place many years back. =O

At the same time, there are a few waterfront-related restaurants and stuff along the Seawall, and I think residents would balk at having their views disrupted or otherwise blemished by restaurants and patios. I dunno. Either that or the city wants green space in front of all of the beaches. lol.

BodomReaper · #**344** Posted **Oct 1, 2011, 3:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by delboy

I see this as yet another lost opportunity to create a vibrant waterfront area, defined by bars, restaurants etc and not condos or parks as is the case in Vancouver. The use of the majority of vancouver,s waterfront areas is a shame, even white rock has done more with their waterfront.

100% agree. What is this, New Westminster Quay? Heck even they have a bit of commercial on the waterfront. The downtown peninsula already has too much waterfront that consists of a string of dull high-end condos behind a giant empty lawn. I'd like to see more development like Marinaside Crescent - still a thick seawall, but with serious density and action right along it.

Too bad Concord isn't pressing for more, but I guess they could build single family homes and still make a fat profit

Millennium2002 · #**345** Posted **Oct 1, 2011, 7:00 PM**

Apparently I hear that they have had trouble with retail in Yaletown... which developed into an aversion for retail at all of their other projects. I'm not so sure if I agree with that though.

Sir Conga · #**346** Posted **Oct 2, 2011, 10:26 PM**

From here for anyone who missed these.

The little red trapezoid on the right is a proposed on-the-water restaurant. I wonder what kind of retail is being proposed for the rest of the site. Will bars and/or restaurants be in the mix? Included is also a station for a future "streetcar".

jlousa · #**347** Posted **Aug 17, 2012, 5:58 PM**

Figured I shoud revive this thread as we will start hearing more and more about this area shortly.

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To achieve its carbon emission targets for the Northeast False Creek (NEFC) Official Development Plan Area, the City is pursuing the development of a low-carbon neighbourhood energy utility. This utility will supply thermal energy to NEFC buildings for space heat and domestic hot water, with the objectives of achieving low carbon emissions and cost competitive customer rates. The British Columbia Utilities Commission will regulate the system.

Central Heat Distribution Limited (CHDL), which owns and operates a steam-heat utility that currently serves parts of NEFC was identified by the City as the most economically feasible source of energy for the neighbourhood, and thus was identified as a potential strategic partner in building the NEFC system.

Accordingly, the City entered into discussions with CHDL to explore the possibility of having a hot water based low-carbon district energy system built in NEFC. As part of these discussions,CHDL had the option of engaging a partner with particular expertise in these types of systems.

CHDL subsequently engaged FortisBC Energy Inc. (Fortis) as a partner to build, own and operate the NEFC district energy system, including hot water distribution piping and a lowcarbon energy plant. Prior to a new low-carbon energy plant being built, Fortis intends to purchase heat from CHDL in order to supply interim heat and hot water to new NEFC buildings. Fortis also intends to engage CHDL as a back-up heat provider once the new
energy plant is in service. Given Fortis' relationship with CHDL and its demonstrated capacity to deliver the project, the City believes Fortis is an appropriate partner in NEFC.

In light of the above, and subject to City Council approval, the City proposes to enter into a contract with Fortis in order to facilitate the implementation of a hot water based low-carbon neighbourhood energy system in NEFC.

Jimbo604 · #**348** Posted **Dec 7, 2012, 7:23 AM**

Upcoming agenda for Vancouver City Council meeting December 11, 2012 lists item:

POLICY REPORTS: 1. Amendments to the False Creek North Official Development Plan Concerning Area 5b East (68 Smithe Street) PDF LINK

This PDF contains a bunch of info about 68 Smithe but also the latest about Northeast False creek.

68 Smithe is coming up for the Development Permit Board January 28th meeting, of course. Link to DPB

dleung · #**349** Posted **Dec 7, 2012, 7:50 AM**

I am reminded of this:

"James Cheng said the arch-shaped building will serve as a window through to BC Place."

Jimbo604 · #**350** Posted **Dec 7, 2012, 8:29 AM**

Well, the 68 Smithe PDF document says "A rezoning application for Area 6b (Plaza of Nations, owned by Canadian Metropolitan Properties) was submitted in June 2012 and is in process." 6b is the location of the Arch building pointed out by dleung.

However, in the 750 Pacific Blvd thread there is a message from user Trocadero saying, "I was at a public meeting of False Creek residents a few weeks ago where the developer (Canadian Metropolitan Properties) announced that the whole project was dead. Perhaps developers make announcements like this often while negotiating with the City, but it seemed sincere. He said that the Aquilinis and his owners were prepared to let it all sit, as is, for as long as necessary."

So maybe you don't have to worry about your window issue. For now at least.

Jimbo604 · #**351** Posted **Dec 10, 2012, 8:19 AM**

Well, finally some North East False Creek action:

Construction is underway on one tower beside the Rogers Arena (see Rogers Arena Complex thread). Looks like the two building proposals beside the arena are moving ahead as well:

This site plan provides a good view of the stadium and the three. Rezoning centre site plan.

The other two buildings have now been scheduled for a Development Permit board meeting next March: Schedule Link

"March 25, 2013 - 898 Griffiths Way - DE416399 - Walter Francl Architects
To construct a new 28-storey tower (East Tower) at the south east corner of the existing arena, including renovations to the existing building and to construct a new 31-storey tower (South Tower) south of the Georgia Viaduct over five levels of underground parking, including stairs to level 100 of the arena."

BIMBAM · #**352** Posted **Dec 10, 2012, 6:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jimbo604

Well, the 68 Smithe PDF document says "A rezoning application for Area 6b (Plaza of Nations, owned by Canadian Metropolitan Properties) was submitted in June 2012 and is in process." 6b is the location of the Arch building pointed out by dleung.

However, in the 750 Pacific Blvd thread there is a message from user Trocadero saying, "I was at a public meeting of False Creek residents a few weeks ago where the developer (Canadian Metropolitan Properties) announced that the whole project was dead. Perhaps developers make announcements like this often while negotiating with the City, but it seemed sincere. He said that the Aquilinis and his owners were prepared to let it all sit, as is, for as long as necessary."

So maybe you don't have to worry about your window issue. For now at least.

I'm pretty sure it's cancelled. They proposed this when they were in negociations with the casino to see if they'd renew their lease. Now that they have renewed until 2015 I don't see this project moving forward, it was likely just put out as a negociating tactic.

Jimbo604 · #**353** Posted **Dec 21, 2012, 3:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by BIMBAM

I'm pretty sure it's cancelled. They proposed this when they were in negociations with the casino to see if they'd renew their lease. Now that they have renewed until 2015 I don't see this project moving forward, it was likely just put out as a negociating tactic.

2015 is after the next City of Vancouver election in the fall of 2014, just a coincidence, I'm sure.

officedweller · #**354** Posted **Apr 22, 2013, 9:46 PM**

Of interest - Seattle looking at creating an entertainment district near their stadiums:

http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...eattlexml.html

jayyb · #**355** Posted **Apr 28, 2013, 12:41 AM**

The plaza of nations site would be the perfect spot for an entertainment complex. 2 stadiums, transit and a new casino all in the immediate area.

Joat · #**356** Posted **Apr 28, 2013, 8:22 PM**

Is it safe to say, with the NDP poised to take power, a new casino seems even less likely?

Jebby · #**357** Posted **Apr 28, 2013, 10:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Joat

Is it safe to say, with the NDP poised to take power, a new casino seems even less likely?

Unless there's a 75% tax on all earnings which go straight to social housing (built only by union workers) and welfare, they probably won't support it.

trofirhen · #**358** Posted **Apr 28, 2013, 11:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Jebby

Unless there's a 75% tax on all earnings which go straight to social housing (built only by union workers) and welfare, they probably won't support it.

Whew. Interesting. If the NDP in fact win, and put the brakes on the casino project, do you think this will cause adjacent development to slow or stagnate until a casino, they hope, gets built ...... Or ... do you perhaps see a possible different outcome in terms of the district character, if you extrapolate into the future a bit? (I can't).

Jebby · #**359** Posted **Apr 29, 2013, 12:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Whew. Interesting. If the NDP in fact win, and put the brakes on the casino project, do you think this will cause adjacent development to slow or stagnate until a casino, they hope, gets built ...... Or ... do you perhaps see a possible different outcome in terms of the district character, if you extrapolate into the future a bit? (I can't).

Regardless of who wins, the entertainment zone is dead. Condos are going up across the street from the casino site, condos around GM Place, condos across the water to complain about sound, condos around Main Street SkyTrain, condos to the north, west, and east of both stadiums....

trofirhen · #**360** Posted **Apr 29, 2013, 1:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jebby

Regardless of who wins, the entertainment zone is dead. Condos are going up across the street from the casino site, condos around GM Place, condos across the water to complain about sound, condos around Main Street SkyTrain, condos to the north, west, and east of both stadiums....

...mmm...from the sound of it, we end up simply not having an entertainment district ... at all ...