Floodwatch

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by trueviking

i don't get why the city still has to sand bag....if you haven't made a permanent solution to flooding by this point, you kind of deserve it....do we intend to do this forever?

You would think, too many homes in places where no homes should be (low lying lots along rivers). Both Fargo and Grand Forks bought out numerous home-owners in areas prone to flooding, demolished the homes and left it as parkland why that was never done here is absurd.

Lake Winnipeg is kept artificially high as MB Hydro's huge reservoir and is never drawn down low enough through the fall and winter.

Wetlands and potholes that once held back snow melt were filled.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Perhaps a permanent house shouldn't be there either.

The houses were built with the city's blessing (some 100 years ago) and no buyouts have been offered that I know of.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

You would think, too many homes in places where no homes should be (low lying lots along rivers). Both Fargo and Grand Forks bought out numerous home-owners in areas prone to flooding, demolished the homes and left it as parkland why that was never done here is absurd.

Lake Winnipeg is kept artificially high as MB Hydro's huge reservoir and is never drawn down low enough through the fall and winter.

Wetlands and potholes that once held back snow melt were filled.

Hydro keeping Lake Winnipeg at any elevation has no effect of river levels in Winnipeg.

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by Riverman

The houses were built with the city's blessing (some 100 years ago) and no buyouts have been offered that I know of.

Then let the river buy them out.

There is no reason why the residents of the city should constantly have to pay to protect houses that foolish people built/bought.

[Riverman]

You really don't get it, do you? None of the flooding on these rivers is natural, it is caused by bad government policy.

Or, you are just jealous.

[Bdog]

Originally Posted by Riverman

You really don't get it, do you? None of the flooding on these rivers is natural, it is caused by bad government policy.

Or, you are just jealous.

Surely the Red River overflowed its banks before the marshlands begun to be drained in the last 100 years.

[Riverman]

Originally Posted by Bdog

Surely the Red River overflowed its banks before the marshlands begun to be drained in the last 100 years.

It is the frequency of the recent flooding that is the subject being discussed, not an occasional natural flood.

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by Riverman

You really don't get it, do you? None of the flooding on these rivers is natural, it is caused by bad government policy.

Or, you are just jealous.

Rivers are meant to flood. Unfortunately we have filled in marsh lands and aggressively drain farm land into our rivers overwhelming them to the point where they can't handle wetter seasons. Also rivers constantly move and banks erode. If you want to live next to the river, thats nice. Just don't expect me to feel sorry for you when the river doesn't act in your favor.

The only bad government policy was allowing people to build so close to the rivers to begin with. Winnipeg would have been much better of had they left all land adjacent to the river as natural park land and only allowed people to build across the street facing the river.

Jealous? No. I live 250 yards from the river. However I chose to live on the right side of the Frasers Grove Park berm.

[Riverman]

So you are below the level of the primary dike then. Sure glad I'm not.

And I don't recall asking for you to feel sorry for me.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by Riverman

You really don't get it, do you? None of the flooding on these rivers is natural, it is caused by bad government policy.

Or, you are just jealous.

farmers feilds being set up to drain water off them as fast as posible don't help


also i live in the sacrifice zone if the floodway meets its compacity

not much i can do about that but be aware and take messures if it comes to it to be ready to clean the mold out

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by h0twired

Rivers are meant to flood. Unfortunately we have filled in marsh lands and aggressively drain farm land into our rivers overwhelming them to the point where they can't handle wetter seasons. Also rivers constantly move and banks erode. If you want to live next to the river, thats nice. Just don't expect me to feel sorry for you when the river doesn't act in your favor.

The only bad government policy was allowing people to build so close to the rivers to begin with. Winnipeg would have been much better of had they left all land adjacent to the river as natural park land and only allowed people to build across the street facing the river.

Jealous? No. I live 250 yards from the river. However I chose to live on the right side of the Frasers Grove Park berm.

Because of fluctuating river levels I've seen the old river pathway in Fraser's Grove Park swallowed by the river, having a floodway and not using it to control summer river levels is pure stupidity, holding back the river at Lockport to maintain boating levels is unnecessary, having people living on the riverbank is not the problem, many riverbank homes are above the flood plain, it is the fluctuation in the river levels that is undermining the riverbanks in Winnipeg.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Because of fluctuating river levels I've seen the old river pathway in Fraser's Grove Park swallowed by the river, having a floodway and not using it to control summer river levels is pure stupidity, holding back the river at Lockport to maintain boating levels is unnecessary, having people living on the riverbank is not the problem, many riverbank homes are above the flood plain, it is the fluctuation in the river levels that is undermining the riverbanks in Winnipeg.

As an avid boater on the red, and the —. Rivers. actually made it up to polo park with a 17ft/65hp, had some problems thier, and shoring up riverbank housing along Dunkirk Dr. the hard way, rock fill and steel re-bar...the river within the city is eroding at an incredible pace. Is thier a way to control the meandering red? These homes the ones I've worked to prevent from falling into the Red. Were fine 5-10 yrs ago. Is Lower levels at Lockport possible. Is this Political? How many posters have boated down the Red and seen the banks deteriorate over the last 10 years?

[Riverman]

I boat on the river every day, weather permitting. I started boating on the river in 1986 and I have seen several catastrophic bank slides. I considered buying two different houses with slides, one on Kildonan Drive and one on Dunkirk. I came to my senses and didn't buy either.

There have been several fairly large remediation projects: Kildonan Park, Elmwood Cemetery, Alexander Dock area, Lyndale Drive - those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. These sites are done properly, supported with 12 foot diameter rock columns.

The worst, most eroding section is from the mouth of the Seine south past Fort Gibraltar - it needs to be fixed, now.

[Cyro]

I'm glad you didn't decide to buy...unless you wanted to do some extensive remediation work your self. I've seen the properties years later from adjacent properties I worked on and those with no work, as I'm sure you have seen boating on the Red. Night and day. After gaining severel meters on the properly done properties,including vegitation growth and soil retention. the positives are tremendous, the property to the right, well it's on a cliff now...But much has been done as you say but the $$ spent could be x3..It's not getting done at the pace it would/should be at.

Floodway? Many here arguing about it's uses/how it affects winnipeg...you want a walkway and developement on wpg's waterways and not submerged during the tourist season, what 12 outa the last 16 yrs. you must control the levels in the summer.

Yes thier are other problems that would be created to the south, is this political yes, $$$$$ I believe you can't have it both ways.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by Cyrodill

I'm glad you didn't decide to buy...unless you wanted to do some extensive remediation work your self. I've seen the properties years later from adjacent properties I worked on and those with no work, as I'm sure you have seen boating on the Red. Night and day. After gaining severel meters on the properly done properties,including vegitation growth and soil retention. the positives are tremendous, the property to the right, well it's on a cliff now...But much has been done as you say but the $$ spent could be x3..It's not getting done at the pace it would/should be at.

Floodway? Many here arguing about it's uses/how it affects winnipeg...you want a walkway and developement on wpg's waterways and not submerged during the tourist season, what 12 outa the last 16 yrs. you must control the levels in the summer.

Yes thier are other problems that would be created to the south, is this political yes, $$$$$ I believe you can't have it both ways.

Use the floodway and benefit the 800K living in Winnipeg or don't use it because it affects a 100 people south of Winnipeg, tough decision.

[1ajs]

if we want the floodway in use all year round then buy out the 100 or so people who are affected as a collective

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Use the floodway and benefit the 800K living in Winnipeg or don't use it because it affects a 100 people south of Winnipeg, tough decision.

U and me both agree..It's really a no brainer...but...it's a gov't decision, so we know where it's going to go..

[Riverman]

To use the floodway to regulate summer levels the inlet berm would have to be removed and an inlet control structure built in its place. It would be very expensive but that's what is needed.

[1ajs]

imagin fargo is stressing today

[h0twired]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

imagin fargo is stressing today

While they did get a fair amount of snow, they didn't get anywhere near the 35-40cm some were predicting.

The places that got 30+ cm aren't in the Red River valley.