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Old Posted Mar 28, 2013, 3:01 AM
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Been car-free for just over a month now, and enjoying it. I'm really glad we got rid of it, we have been more active, and more likely to shop near by. Not to mention the money saved (~160/month) that we can use for other activities. Really if I didn't live in the Beltline I wouldn't have even considered it, but its been one of the best lifestyle decisions I've made. That said there are going to be times when I'll wish I had a vehicle (summer MTB trips, going out of town, etc.) but those times (6-10 a year) don't out weigh the savings and improved lifestyle that we now have.
I am selling my car this summer, going car free. Its just easier and cheaper. I take 20mins walking, 20 mins by train, 15 mins by car or 10 mins by bicycle to get to work.

Its amazing that the city has gotten to the point where that is possible. Why spend money on a car when you can use it for going out for dinner, seeing shows and the arts, buying coffee and saving?

I'd rather spend my 300 bucks a month on that stuff than a depreciating asset that rots on my driveway 99% of the day.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2013, 3:08 AM
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All I am saying is what many of you hold up as "great cities" have residents who are actively leaving them for our status quo.
Many more are taking their place because even though it might be a tough go these great cities are exactly for what they are looking and provide numerous lifestyle options.


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They considered the lifestyle available to them in London on what was by global standards a very high income to be miserable.
If they were making more than decent money, they probably could have found an affordable detached-house in suburban London but it sounds like they really embrace the 'American Dream' (i.e. massive house and two cars in the garage) and fair play to them if that's their cup of tea.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2013, 3:43 AM
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They said their combined income was approximately $200,000 Canadian. He works with Sun Unix equipment and she is an actuary.

Massive house would be an exaggeration, it is no more than 1200 square feet. They don't have kids or even a dog.

They wanted a better quality of life, and they concluded it wasn't achievable in London on their salaries. They're happy here and claim they weren't there.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2013, 6:27 AM
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Barely anyone wants to own a car, let alone afford one! Fucking car burden (from hell) all tied to consuming MORE gasoline, which costs tonnes of money.

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Hey! we have a fully loaded escalade!!!! and a 5 bedroom 2300 square foot home and thats not including the basement!! There is 1 bedroom for everyone and one for the dog too! But were drowning in debt and feed the kids kraft dinner and hot dogs every day and pollute like a mutha-f! I dont even want to think about losing my job for more than a minute or I will be screwed!!
I think there will be a massive shift in thinking soon. It will be a world wide effort to clean up the planet, and it will be serious.


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LOL! Of course Calgary is going to be more affordable and wide open than London!! That does not mean that we need to have polluting sprawl everywhere!

Sure, move to Calgary, we will take anything!

Im so glad all of these changes in density have taken place all over Calgary. It really does give you a warm feeling that there are some people that care about urban living and theoretically want to pollute less and live close to where they work. And they even live around people that have less money than them!! OMG!

Its ok to be urban.......THERE, I said it!! haha

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They said their combined income was approximately $200,000 Canadian. He works with Sun Unix equipment and she is an actuary.

Massive house would be an exaggeration, it is no more than 1200 square feet. They don't have kids or even a dog.

They wanted a better quality of life, and they concluded it wasn't achievable in London on their salaries. They're happy here and claim they weren't there.
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Quick answer? I would say 5000 people per square km.

For reference, Barcelona is 16K/km2, Paris is ~20K/km2 (Parisian suburbs are actually really dense, and perhaps denser than the core) and Calgary is around 1.2K/km2 on average.
This is interesting. There are a bijillion factors, perhaps the most important of which are the type of retail, disposable income of potential customers, and consumer habits. For example, the past decade has seen an explosion of spending on food/entertainment all over North America, and this is due in part to later family planning, longer work hours, increased female salaries, and marketing/cultural norms. If you tried selling lattes for $5 in 1995, you wouldn't get a single customer.

While we are talking about coffee shops, an average Tim Hortons franchise costs about half a million in start-up, pulls in about $1.5 mill/yr, and the franchisee makes about $250 000/yr after everybody and the wholesaler and the landlord and corporate get paid, recovering her/his investment in just 2 years if everything goes as planned (not including paying themself). Other business types will obviously vary A LOT, but if 0.5 M is typical for start up, it sounds like 1.5 M in sales annual can keep a small business thriving.

If you are only drawing customers from walking distance, let's say within 1 km radius to keep my math simple, then you must pull 1.5 M dollars from 3.14 km^2. That's about $478 000/km^2. (Had the walking radius been 0.5 km, we'd need $1 900 000/km^2!!!). If you have a population density of 5000souls/km2, and you are only selling to them, on average each person must spend $95/yr on your business, or about $1.83/week.

If you reverse this hypothetical scenario, spending $1.83 a week at a business that 5000 people use should keep it thriving. Spending $18.30 a week at a business 500 people use will do the same, or $183/week at a store 50 people use. Of course, like I said, it depends on a ton of factors. The good part about shopping in your own neighbourhood is that about %50 of what you spend goes home with the staff, who might then spend their earnings in the same neighbourhood, etc, etc.

Continuing the scenario, if 5000 people in a 5000 soul/km2 neighbourhood spend an average of $100/week disposable income in their neighbourhoods, it ought to be enough to keep 54 Tim Hortons-sized businesses running within 1km of their home, or 17 businesses /km. (if every man, woman, baby, senior citizen, and child in a 5000 person/km2 neighbourhood spends only $10/per week within a km of their house, only 1.7 businesses/km2 can survive).
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Both places to live have good and bad. In out in the burbs now and I like it because it is good for my kids. I also like being able to be cycling out on the highways in less than 5 minutes from door. That said. When they finish high school I will move closer to the core. It will suit my lifestyle better. LIke everyhting in life, sometimes it is just timing that makes something right or not.
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I am selling my car this summer, going car free. Its just easier and cheaper. I take 20mins walking, 20 mins by train, 15 mins by car or 10 mins by bicycle to get to work.

Its amazing that the city has gotten to the point where that is possible. Why spend money on a car when you can use it for going out for dinner, seeing shows and the arts, buying coffee and saving?

I'd rather spend my 300 bucks a month on that stuff than a depreciating asset that rots on my driveway 99% of the day.
Only of the day? Mine sat 99% of the time, I once went a year on one oil change!
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But will Iggy chose for a new home in Pittsburgh???? Urban Brownstone or a suburban mansion???? I believe his Calgary place was a in Lake Bonavista.
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This city will never be built as "car optional" in the near future because:

a) The vast majority of people can afford a car and prefer it to mass transit
b) The climate doesn't lend itself to walking
c) Not enough population with a desire to support the necessary transit.
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There is maybe 5 days a year, where Calgary's climate induces anymore difficulty to walking that getting into a cold car. I've walked to work for the last 5 years and at no time has the weather caused me to stay home, in that same time there have been multiple snow storms that have cause people that drove to stay home or delay their arrival significantly.
Exactly. They are called coats, mitts, toques and long underwear. They keep you warm in the cold. I only have a peacoat right now, and never this entire year was that not warm enough (with a sweater under of course) for my 25 minute walk to work. If I had a down parka, I think I could manage much colder.
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Only of the day? Mine sat 99% of the time, I once went a year on one oil change!
Well I am averaging under 2 hours a week (only on sunday) with 6 days of zero driving.

2hrs driving / 168hrs per week = 1.19 % utilization

2hrs per week x 4 weeks = 8hrs per month

~$325/month operating/lease costs / 8 hours driving = $40.63 / hour of driving

Therefore: selling the car.
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Well I am averaging under 2 hours a week (only on sunday) with 6 days of zero driving.

2hrs driving / 168hrs per week = 1.19 % utilization

2hrs per week x 4 weeks = 8hrs per month

~$325/month operating/lease costs / 8 hours driving = $40.63 / hour of driving

Therefore: selling the car.
I drive about twice a week: Sundays for dinner at the parents, and on average once more for basketball/climbing/other evening activity. With basketball, I could always just take the train (play at UofC), but climbing is a little harder. Ski trips to the mountains I use another vehicle because mine really isn't trustworthy for highway winter driving.

My car is a third time hand me down (parents to brother to me) and is really a POS. I put only as much money in it as necessary to keep it running, and that is all. Heavily considering ditching a car altogether once it dies, subleasing my parking and using that revenue to pay for car rentals for weekend trips.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2013, 2:59 PM
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They said their combined income was approximately $200,000 Canadian. He works with Sun Unix equipment and she is an actuary.

Massive house would be an exaggeration, it is no more than 1200 square feet. They don't have kids or even a dog.

They wanted a better quality of life, and they concluded it wasn't achievable in London on their salaries. They're happy here and claim they weren't there.
With that kind of salary you could live more than one type of lifestyle comfortably in London without having to resort to austerity measures and more so if you are content with a 1200 square foot house. The expats that I talk to who want to come over for the long haul usually provide me with one or both of the following reasons: i) they like the outdoors and Calgary has an exquisite backyard; and/or ii) they'd like to indulge in the large home and backyard lifestyle. It would take a lot of money to do the latter in London and I could see people straining to do so even if they were making good money but if you friends were not interested in this than I can't really see them living like paupers as they could easily live within their means.

However, if you expand my second reason to include indulging in a consumption lifestyle I could possibly see that. They might not want the big house but they'd like to fill their modest house with as much goods as possible and enjoy as many services as possible, which can get very expensive very quickly in London.
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I am selling my car this summer, going car free. Its just easier and cheaper. I take 20mins walking, 20 mins by train, 15 mins by car or 10 mins by bicycle to get to work.

Its amazing that the city has gotten to the point where that is possible. Why spend money on a car when you can use it for going out for dinner, seeing shows and the arts, buying coffee and saving?

I'd rather spend my 300 bucks a month on that stuff than a depreciating asset that rots on my driveway 99% of the day.
This is kinda what happened to me, my car just sat for most of the winter and had to replace the battery more often than I was driving the vehicle. Plus insurance, and it was a losing proposition for the occasional bit of utility (and this was before Car2Go).

I've now bought another place, and it has a two car garage and want to demolish it because it would be more valuable to me as a garden.

I'm now seeing more things this year like women in the middle of winter using pink bikes with yoga matts travelling to work.

Having a car isn't the status symbol it used to be (unless you have a '69 cuda). Heck they aren't even making Hummers anymore.

And there are all these other things like if you live in a community that is car-dependent one is more likely to be overweight because active mode transportation is nearly impossible and divorced because one spends too much time commuting.
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I just sold the BMW and downgraded to an A to B car. 2000 honda accord coupe for $2000.00 lol. I cashed in on the BMW. It was fun but just dont need it. Besides, even though it was a 325 it still used more gas than this honda ever will. I drove to work today cuz I have a meeting. It tool a whole 2 minutes to get here. I think it actually takes longer to park.


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Well I am averaging under 2 hours a week (only on sunday) with 6 days of zero driving.

2hrs driving / 168hrs per week = 1.19 % utilization

2hrs per week x 4 weeks = 8hrs per month

~$325/month operating/lease costs / 8 hours driving = $40.63 / hour of driving

Therefore: selling the car.
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An interesting article from the Urban Mecca of Canada, Vancouver:
http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Features/Granville+Street?page=0,0&$Path=%22/%22&$Domain=.vanmag.com
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A young guy strides down Granville, a girl slung unconscious over his shoulder, her long hair cascading down his back. A second young woman, trotting along beside on high heels, watches as he loads her limp body into a taxi, then jumps in beside them. None of the 50 people crammed into nearby Megabite Pizza pays much attention. Nor do the paramedics stationed by the three ambulances parked on the corner.

In total, only 14 arrests, mainly for public intoxication or breach of the peace. A young Caucasian woman is so drunk she seems unaware of the winter-temperature pavement on her bare feet or that her leggings have slid down to expose everything not covered by her thong. She appears barely conscious, held upright by an officer waiting to manoeuvre her into the police wagon-until she is locked inside, that is; then she starts screaming, but the sound barely penetrates the general din. A guy in handcuffs sits quietly on a bench while police interview his friends. Three young South Asians got involved in some kind of altercation inside the Caprice after one approached another's cousin-or something. That's as much as anyone can grasp from the rambling, drunken chatter among friends and family as officers pick up one bleeding fellow from the road and once more go through the nitpicky and time-consuming arrest process. Another Saturday night on the Granville Strip ...
The article is very substantive - four pages worth, so make sure you click through!
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An interesting article from the Urban Mecca of Canada, Vancouver:
http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Features/Granville+Street?page=0,0&$Path=%22/%22&$Domain=.vanmag.com


The article is very substantive - four pages worth, so make sure you click through!
All very true, and all very sad.
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An interesting article from the Urban Mecca of Canada, Vancouver:
http://www.vanmag.com/News_and_Features/Granville+Street?page=0,0&$Path=%22/%22&$Domain=.vanmag.com


The article is very substantive - four pages worth, so make sure you click through!
Interesting piece. Makes you wonder how this kind of "going out" has become so normalized.
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Interesting piece. Makes you wonder how this kind of "going out" has become so normalized.
A simple answer would be marketing.
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You could write pretty much the same article about the entertainment district in any large city in the western hemisphere.

It is generally a lousy issue, since tolerance of the drunken behaviour tends to prevail until the problem becomes so intractable that the community at large demands a massive crackdown.

Binge drinking itself is a lost cause.
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