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Old Posted Mar 9, 2013, 11:35 AM
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There must be a way though to go about this, in order to jump start the height and density. Right now, Salt Lake's CBD is just following a natural state of progression. Given the agressive, competitive nature of the surrounding metro, it could take decades to achieve the kind of height and density we're longing for in the CBD. However, you look at a City such as Calgary, which is much less hemmed in than Salt Lake, has a much smaller CSA, and you wonder how are they doing it. Salt Lake and Utah in general have become one of the leading areas for attracting new business. Can't there be tools also enacted by Salt Lake and Utah that will make it's CBD more attractive as a grand business campus? It seems that the City and State could especially create incentives for dense mid-rise business campuses, much like we have in our endless business parks, such as up on the Cottonwood/Holladay bench of I-215. I appreciate that these cities and the county need to create their own business and tax tools but c'mon. Look how agressively the State legislators(aka developers) are pushing the State Prison Campus. Imagine what would happen if the State could push for a couple of Downtown Campuses, each with the same massing of height and square footage as the Cottonwood Business Park. The effect would be huge, and make for a dramtic change on areas such as the West End. Large scale cooperation is how Inner London achieved such a monumental CBD after the great fire, or Paris, Rome, and Madrid achieved their grand scale planning. Of course, we can't expect Church and State to cooperate on the same level as the European Capitals did centuries ago, but there is an excellent established model with Salt Lake's smaller 'united order' bag of tools to accomplish some pretty amazing developments Downtown. Face it, the sheer beauty and quality of Temple Square, CCC and surrounding campus are difficult to find anywhere else in the U.S. Their beauty, quality and scope are pretty much non-existant in most cities around the U.S. with but a few exceptions.

We need for more cooperative entities Downtown than soley the LDS Church and the current Mayor's administration. The LDS Church does a great job, but can't and shouldn't be asked to do more. The Mayor is outstanding, but can only accomplish so much with the RDA tools, etc. he has to work with. I think that Capital Hill needs to plant it's accumulative butt more firmly on the CBD wagon, and get off the proverbial nimby style fence. In this case the 'NIMBY' is in reverse.

If Salt Lake's CBD is to expand beyond the awesome beauty of it's Church and Civic islands, becoming stunning as a whole without broken teeth, then the State Legislature needs to be more PRO-active. I am convinced that there is a substantial list of legislation that can be enacted that does not involve eminent domain. At the very least to make it highly unprofitable to encourage continued land banking in the CBD.

I know, some would argue that there are already tools in place to encourage development action for the CBD. No one is saying that there's nothing being done, but obviously MORE could be done.

The per capita percentage of urban hungry singles and seniors in Salt Lake's Metro is among the highest in the nation. As many of you are already shouting, "Give them the quality,(structure, grounds and amenities) they're searching for. There are any number of developers out there with ample integrity and love of CBD pride. Is there any question that a Future Mayor type would not forego a larger hit and run profit, in order to produce a higher standard of rental complex. Heaven forbid that the Cowboys would be forced to raise their standard bar a bit.

Bottom line, the State Legislature needs to be even more pro-actively supportive of development programs and plans for its Capital City's CBD. Perhaps a certain number of leislators need to quit running interference, as if Downtown Salt Lake is the big bad envy bait, and if we(metro) can't have a convention hotel or a stadium then why should Salt Lake's CBD get one. Slower than need be CBD density progress certainly can't be blamed on Rocky's bad temperament anymore. Ultimately, IMO the dynamic 'quality of life' appeal, visual density, glitz and glammor of Salt Lake's CBD has a trickle down effect on the progressive development of it's adjoining metro. I know there are State Legislators who understand this, but the Govenor needs to do a lot more to rally a larger co-op of CBD supporters among the Legislature.

I do give credit on many fronts to Capitol Hill. It continues to be the poster child for all States in dealing with fiscal propriety and management. Also, there are many advances that the State has encouraged, which Salt Lake's CBD is in an enviable position to now take advantage of. For example, even progressive cities such as Austin can only drool in envy at Salt Lake's transportation infrastructure. Now let's,(our duely elected State Represenatives) take a few blocks in much the same manner as we did with Gateway, but with a distinctly urban density agenda, and develop it with the same gusto of purpose as the current State Prison Bandwagon.

Salt Lake City's CBD belongs to all Utahns and their elected officials, not just Salt Lakers. All Utahns and their elected officials should take very personal pride in the development and beauty of the CBD of the Capital City.

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Old Posted Mar 9, 2013, 4:10 PM
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Eminent domain is a pretty tough sell, and a really easy way to get people not to like government if there's not a major, obvious benefit to the public. I just question whether the city govt can be more effective the more popular it is.. and so a more proactive approach might be pointless.
The city can provide incentives to developers to "donate" or convert property into a public street. Density bonuses, approval process streamlining, tax incentives can also be a part of that solution. Eminent Domain isn't the only tool they have to break up blocks.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2013, 4:27 AM
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Newhouse apartments
a bit newer rendering. changes in color, and parking structure ramp location.

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http://www.slcdocs.com/Planning/HLC/2012/December/538.pdf
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2013, 6:09 AM
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Drove around and snapped some pix with my Iphone today.... not the best quality, but worth a look.....



there are talks about adding some additional office space to the ruth chris steakhouse building by filling in the portion over the "drive thru".....see rendering below...


Eastside Apartments:



644 west North Temple Apartments:



The Plaza at State Street Apartments:
The mobile crane is on site. and some slight hints of steel coming out of the ground.




The borg cube:



notice the miller lite tents in the picture below.... i guess they are now using the "drink til she's cute" approach on the borg cube lol



Liberty Gateway:



Lotus Apartments:


Broadway Park Lofts:
glass going in the windows...



Artspace phase 2 solar gardens:



Cityscape Apartments:
Elevator core, and crane


The lot where the old foursquare church used to sit. it will become a multifamily development. 1000 south jefferson st roughly.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2013, 11:44 AM
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Thanks Viperlord, Great update post!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2013, 8:50 PM
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I don't know. I think I rather see the 3-story Ruth Chris Chase building tear down to make way for something just a bit taller for that corner.
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Excellent update, Viperlord!
     
     
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I don't know. I think I rather see the 3-story Ruth Chris Chase building tear down to make way for something just a bit taller for that corner.
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I love that rendering, it look totally out of the late 70's
     
     
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Eminent domain is generally seen as a last chance tool. It isn't used as a common, every day type of tool. There are lots of negative political implications that come with using eminent domain. Ultimately, the city would have to pay fair market value for the property and pay to construct the street and other infrastructure. This not something that the city can afford to do all over downtown.
     
     
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Wouldn't most developers find it beneficial to have the block separated? More entrances/exists, places to access, etc.
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^^^ but I think the city COULD enact building and zoning ordinances that require new development to treat the inner block as if there is a street there (pedestrian access/walkways, setback requirements, certain material treatments, etc) just as they do on street-facing areas. That could really go a long way to improving the downtown living/pedestrian experience.
     
     
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^^^ but I think the city COULD enact building and zoning ordinances that require new development to treat the inner block as if there is a street there (pedestrian access/walkways, setback requirements, certain material treatments, etc) just as they do on street-facing areas. That could really go a long way to improving the downtown living/pedestrian experience.
That is exactly what a taking is. Removing private land that has economic value to the land owner and saying "sorry, but you can no longer develop this property, and use the economic value of it, because we decided we want a street there"

Economic incentives such as density bonuses, streamlined approval process, reducing parking requirements, and tax incentives, just to name a few, need to be in place for this to happen. Things that will make up the loss of economic benefit from the property that is being turned into a street and turned over to the city. These types of things are the only way that the city will be able to break up the blocks with new streets, that or buy massive amount of property.

Of course a developer could approach the city with these types of ideas, possibly rewrite the ordinance for Council approval and then proceed from that point. Even the most altruistic developer that wants to break up city blocks, still needs to make up for loss of economic value on the property being turned over to the city for a street.
     
     
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Newhouse apartments
a bit newer rendering. changes in color, and parking structure ramp location.

courtesy of tuttle and associates architects

http://www.slcdocs.com/Planning/HLC/2012/December/538.pdf
I really like the design of this for that area of the city. The design pays homage to the the three story walk-ups from the early/mid 20th Century, that are scattered throughout east downtown and the Trolley Neighborhoods.
     
     
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Wow Viperlord, thanks for the updates! You've come out of hiding. What gives?
     
     
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I'm not sure I dig the white on that residential development.
     
     
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I'm not sure I dig the white on that residential development.
I think the white looks great, depending on the material used. It's better than beige stucco.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 12:33 AM
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SLC Releases Public's Vision for New Performing Arts Center

March 11, 2013

Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker and the Redevelopment Agency of Salt Lake City (RDA) have released a report detailing the public’s input and vision for the new performing arts center. The report includes an overview of public comments that were gathered from the pre-design phase that took place from September 13, 2012 through November 30, 2012.

http://dev.utahbusiness.com/articles/view/slc_releases_publics_vision_for_new_performing_ar

http://www.utahperformingartscenter.org/images/Public-Engagement-Report-4DigitalPDF.pdf
     
     
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two new restaurants on galivan avenue Grilla Bites (which is awesome) and from scratch opening this summer.


     
     
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I guess the filling up of 222 So. Main is really generating some larger lunch crowds
     
     
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