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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 5:08 PM
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Yup. I think they want a better hold on the North Shore marketplace. They will also be taking over the Super Valu in Edgemont Village. It makes it more efficient for the supply chain to serve 3 stores on the North Shore instead of just one.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 10:26 PM
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I've been in Thrifty's on Marine twice and it seemed pretty busy both times. No reason why it couldn't serve those up the hill.

My wife makes trips to Whole Foods in West Van whenever she wants to empty our bank account (often).

Here's a new article from Outlook

http://www.northshoreoutlook.com/news/195623021.html

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Onni makes concessions ahead of second hearing on North Vancouver development

Onni, the developer behind the contentious 13th and Lonsdale development, will come with concessions to anti-development groups ahead of a storied second public hearing on the North Vancouver tower project Monday.

It will be the return of a lengthy two-and-a-half year application process that was last year poisoned by public comments and accusations of impropriety from both the developer and North Vancouver city hall.

But now after a three-month hiatus during which Onni agreed to return for another public hearing at the city’s request after threatening to walk away from the project altogether before Christmas, the hope among both camps is that cooler heads will prevail.

That said, Monday’s meeting promises to be a long, standing-room-only affair as many of the citizens’ groups and petitioners who packed the first six-hour hearing back in November are this time expected to bring company.

But Onni vice-president of development Beau Jarvis told The Outlook Tuesday that he expects a lot of those residents who previously had gripes about the project will be pleased with the accommodations Onni has made.

The “Save 14th Street” campaigners, for instance, should be happy to learn that most of the car and truck traffic that had been planned for the 100-block of East 14th Street has now been moved one block south to the four-lane 13th Street.

City Mayor Darrell Mussatto said this concession alone has already shifted a lot of public opinion previously lined up against the project.

“Honestly, I was quite surprised at that change,” Mussatto told The Outlook in a phone interview Tuesday. “I did not think that Onni was going to do something that significant,”

Mayor Mussatto was a city councillor in the late-1990s when the city transformed East 13th from a two-way street to a one-way pedestrian-friendly corridor. Then, as now, there was community resistance to the move, albeit back then residents were calling for more access for trucks and cars.

Mussatto said the fact that residents now “accept and desire” fewer cars on 13th Street is a vindication of that previous council’s decision and he’s happy Onni has accommodated it.

Aside from the traffic changes, the Onni project now also boasts a “green” or “living” wall comprised of plant life covering the north-facing side above Stella Jo Dean Plaza. The wall of the planned 70-foot office building has also been set back from the plaza 36 feet to alleviate concerns about shading.

Additionally, the taller of the two residential towers — standing 240 and 170 feet, respectively — has been set back about eight feet from 14th Street, while the office building has been set back from the Grande building by about nine feet, resulting in less separation between all three buildings.

The project’s grocery store has been reconfigured but retains the same overall floorspace. Onni is still in talks with two grocers interested in potentially leasing the space.

The building’s daycare amenity remains unchanged in the new plan.

As for the public hearing itself, neither Jarvis nor Mussatto had any predictions for how the debate would go, but Mussatto stressed that everybody who wants to speak will be allowed to, regardless of personal, political or corporate affiliation.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 10:39 PM
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I'm confused by that Mussato quote. Should it read as follows?

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Mayor Mussatto was a city councillor in the late-1990s when the city transformed East 14th from a two-way street to a one-way pedestrian-friendly corridor. Then, as now, there was community resistance to the move, albeit back then residents were calling for more access for trucks and cars.

Mussatto said the fact that residents now “accept and desire” fewer cars on 14th Street is a vindication of that previous council’s decision and he’s happy Onni has accommodated it.
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Yeah E 14th is the only one way street around there that I know of.
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Wrong thread, my friend. Also some personal opinion along with the article would be nice.
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Here is what I understand of the process. It promises to be a packed house, so its best to show up a bit early around 4:30pm. There is a register where you can sign your name, then check your approval or disapproval of the project. You don't necessarily have to stand around for hours, listening to others, just to go up and speak to voice your opinion.

Is this correct ?
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The sign up sheet to speak opens at 4:30pm but the public hearing doesn't start until 6pm. I believe there will be two columns labeled FOR and AGAINST, but I'm not sure that means you don't have to speak. It would be nice. I'll be there for the long haul though.

edit: You can always email the city clerk ([email protected]) to make your opinion known and it will be distributed to the Mayor and members of council. Just make sure the email is submitted before the beginning of the meeting and reference the project name (1308 Lonsdale).
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Just wanted to clarify for those who want to send comments via e-mail per the notice of public hearing:

"Written or electronic (email) submissions should be sent to the attention of the City Clerk at [email protected] or by mail to City Clerk, City Hall, 141 West 14th Street, North Vancouver, BC, V7M 1H9. Electronic submissions must be received no later than 4:00 p.m. on Monday, March 11, 2013, to ensure their availability to Council at the Public Hearing."

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http://www.cnv.org/c//DATA/1/40/2013%200...TH%20ST,%20SECOND%20PUBLIC%20HEARING.PDF
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I never knew you could contribute via e-mail. I work weird hours so public hearings were never a realistic option.

Just sent mine in.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 9:08 AM
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This development is so goddamn controversial that the second public hearing has been extended for a second day.

Todd Coyne of the Outlook summed up the lower mainland nicely on Twitter:

"Seems West Van's afraid of becoming North Van which is afraid of being Yaletown which is afraid of being DTES which is afraid it's Yaletown."

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I was there for the full 5 hours last night. Staff and the applicant's presentations went until about 6:45 and then the public began to speak. They had two lists (for and against) and alternated between the two. There were about 30-36 people on each list. It took until about 10:15 for the against list to be exhausted and there were a couple more people on the for list taking it to about 10:35. Once the lists were done there was an opportunity for people who hadn't registered to speak as well as those who felt they needed more than their original 5 minutes.

The comments/questions ranged from principled opposition to passionate support to random complaints about things completely unrelated to the project to slagging Onni to totally batshit delusional. Overall I believe those arguing in favour of the project made their case better than those opposed. At just past 11 the public comment portion of the hearing concluded and Mayor Mussato moved to begin council comments and questions. At that point councillor Bookham proposed a motion to adjourn the public hearing until tomorrow evening (tonight). Councillor Bell raised his hand, not to second the motion, but to ask if they could debate it. It seemed like he felt that after 5 hours there were a lot of people who wanted a resolution. Mayor Mussato said that someone had to second the motion (or not), which councillor Clark did, and then it could be voted on to see how everyone else felt. I believe the vote was 5-2 against (with only Bookham and Clark wanting to push it until tonight), possibly 4-3, but it was defeated and council was to continue. At this point councillor Bookham picked up her bag and walked out. Much of the council and public in the gallery were stunned. At that point there wasn't really anything council could do except propose a motion to adjourn and continue tonight. It was unanimous (what else could they do) so I guess councillor Bookham got her way.

So we'll be back at it tonight at 6pm. Hopefully it should only be 2 hours or so and we'll get a resolution of some type tonight.
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I wrote in a letter for my support of the project. Couldn't attend yesterday. Is it worth it showing up today at 6 for the session ?

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It depends. There won't be any more speakers but council will be asking their questions of staff and the applicant, making their own comments, and then they should be voting on whether or not it is approved. I have to imagine there will be a decision tonight, I can't think of a reason why it would be delayed or put off again.
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Bookham and Clark always seem to be the problem. No development is good enough.

Edit: hallelujah vvv

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Approved! 4-3 in favour, with Heywood, Bookham and Clark opposed. Full notes will follow later.
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