Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[Stenar]

If you live downtown (or visit often) and you see a store or restaurant that you would like to go to on Sunday, put a Post-It note on their front door telling them you stopped by and wish they were open on Sunday.

A lot of these places just assume no one is around and therefore close like other places around them. If you let them know, and especially they see that you stopped by physically (not just an email), they're more likely to take that into consideration.

[Jumpur]

Originally Posted by Merewether

Las Vegas seems a special case. Seems to have outlet mall near downtown but few shops downtown.

Can't tell if this is a joke or not..... Haha, if you're serious, you're quite wrong. Las Vegas has huge shopping malls right on the strip. Kinda makes me envy the city, because they get all the fancy nice stores when their downtown is really just fake and temporary glitz and glam.

[VelvetElvis]

Originally Posted by UTAZLoVer

From Cheesecake Factory website:



I actually agree with you about the Sunday thing - I had friends in, one from Phoenix and one from Boston, skiing in Park City a few weekends ago....they flew out Sunday and were excited to have me show them SLC before they left. I was so embarrassed, and they were not impressed. Fact is, a lot of people who visit Park City fly out on a Sunday and probably try to do the same thing. They probably also never try again, which is so unfortunate.

But yeah, don't make stuff up about Cheesecake not being open - it is. Texas de Brazil, however, is not.

I will defer to you since you have worked there, but to characterize my comment as "making stuff up" is a bit ridiculous. I just checked the CCC website again and it lists it as closed but states in smaller font that some restaurant hours may vary. I failed to see that when I checked the website the other day. If anything I'm guilty of not investing hours to figure out whether or not there is actually one establishment open. And yes, I approached it from outside the complex as a last possible option. It looked absolutely closed. Perhaps it was open and just appeared closed to a hungry fool who had been wandering around for a while already. I had little patience left to thoroughly investigate when all my previous efforts had been thwarted!

[StevenF]

Originally Posted by scottharding

Hey all, last night I watched a pretty interesting documentary called Urbanized. It's a little more than a year old, I think, but it was pretty good. I figured anyone here on this forum would enjoy it too, so I figured I'd recommend it. It was encouraging to see that Salt Lake is actually hopping on board with some of the better trends that are beginning to show in some of the major cities on the planet. I rented the copy from the Tower theater, I don't know if it's on netflix or not, but I'm sure it can't be too hard to find.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1701976/?ref_=sr_1

I just watched 30 min of this documentary On Netflix and love it. Going to wait till I can watch it with my wife before I actually finish the video as I know my wife would love to watch it. I also think this video needs to be viewed by every city mayor along the wasatch front as well as county and state governments.

[VelvetElvis]

It has been 10+ years since I lived in SLC (300 East area and 700 East area) and I will say that medium density resident housing has really come along in those blocks. But I haven't seen the street life change too much. Since I have a bit of a time capsule perspective on the city core, I'm always wondering how different things have become. Has the Twilight Concert move from Gallivan to Pioneer Park changed any dynamics?

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by VelvetElvis

It has been 10+ years since I lived in SLC (300 East area and 700 East area) and I will say that medium density resident housing has really come along in those blocks. But I haven't seen the street life change too much. Since I have a bit of a time capsule perspective on the city core, I'm always wondering how different things have become. Has the Twilight Concert move from Gallivan to Pioneer Park changed any dynamics?

It brings in far more people downtown than the Gallivan could have ever hosted. Roughly 30,000 showed up last year to a show featuring Aloe Blacc and rapper Common.

[delts145]

Speaking of Pioneer Park, has anyone noticed activity at Broadway Park Lofts since the new owners purchase?

[scottharding]

Originally Posted by StevenF

I just watched 30 min of this documentary On Netflix and love it. Going to wait till I can watch it with my wife before I actually finish the video as I know my wife would love to watch it. I also think this video needs to be viewed by every city mayor along the wasatch front as well as county and state governments.

I'm glad those of you who have watched it are enjoying it. I thought it was quite well done. I watched it with my girlfriend, who isn't the uber urban nerd I am, and still, she enjoyed it and we had a fun little discussion after.

[Orlando]

I watched it, too. I liked it. Thanks for psoting it.

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by delts145

Speaking of Pioneer Park, has anyone noticed activity at Broadway Park Lofts since the new owners purchase?

No. Still just a shell.

[scottharding]

Bill going before the Legislature to do away with the ridiculous Zion Curtains (again).
I really hope this goes through. It should be a no-brainer, but with the morons in our Legislature, I won't get my hopes too high.
An interesting Side-bar of the article:

Utah a laughingstock?

A state representative passed out headlines to the House Revenue and Taxation Committee, showing some of Utah’s liquor laws may be an object of ridicule:

The New York Times » “Utah Liquor Laws, as Mixed Up as Some Drinks”
USA Today » “After trying liberalization, Utah toughens already strict rules”
The Economist » “The drinks flow more freely, except in Utah”
The Salt Lake Tribune » “Effort to cloak Utah liquor has eateries scrambling”

[SLC Projects]

Never did understood the Zoin Cartain law. So by law alcohol has to be hidden out of sight of our children, however we can leave guns out where ever the heck we want where kids can get ahold of, and they do. Seems a bit backwards.

[scottharding]

I completely agree, SLC Projects. I think when it comes to lawmaking, more often than not, Utah is upside down. In this case, it hurts our image as a destination, and stifles business.

[jedikermit]

Originally Posted by Orlando

I watched it, too. I liked it. Thanks for psoting it.

Ditto!

[Just A Thought]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Never did understood the Zoin Cartain law. So by law alcohol has to be hidden out of sight of our children, however we can leave guns out where ever the heck we want where kids can get ahold of, and they do. Seems a bit backwards.

A bit backwards..? So backwards, its like reversing down the fast lane of the I15 at a 100 mph!

The British and French constitution have a clauses in it very similar to the US version about the Brits and French rights to bear arms. But despite that, they don't go all running around all head strong with semi automatics hanging from every arm. Guns are just a cultural thing here. 250 year old bits of paper, logic and common sense have nothing to do with it.

Same goes for the comedy Zion curtain. Actually, I take that back, the 10 year olds in the UK (where there is no Zion curtain) are all total alcoholics.

The humble opinions expressed here are mine and apologies for not being development related.

Talking of bars, I think I saw a planning application for a new one on the N/W corner of 500 S and 200 W? but not sure if I imagined it..

[Comrade]

One thing I never quite understood is how Utahns, on the whole, rail against big government and yet, whether they realize it or not, actively support big government at the state level. Is there a difference? Remember when we had a Porn Czar about 14 or so years ago?

[TonyAnderson]

If you look at how Utah was formed it makes sense. A distrust of the federal government (and any outside government) with a much more powerful and regulating local government. It wasn't established as a land for everyone but at the time for a very specific people.

I don't like overly regulated laws in any form, but I also don't think alcohol should be served and encouraged in every place humanely possible. I also don't think Utah needs to be like the rest of the nation and be quick to follow what others say it should be. Let the people of the state decide that.

The American government was clearly set up to give more power to government the more micro-level you get, and less the more macro-level you get. Every city, county, and state have the ability to be different from the others and fit the mold of the people living there.

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by TonyAnderson

If you look at how Utah was formed it makes sense. A distrust of the federal government (and any outside government) with a much more powerful and regulating local government. It wasn't established as a land for everyone but at the time for a very specific people.

I don't like overly regulated laws in any form, but I also don't think alcohol should be served and encouraged in every place humanely possible. I also don't think Utah needs to be like the rest of the nation and be quick to follow what others say it should be. Let the people of the state decide that.

The American government was clearly set up to give more power to government the more micro-level you get, and less the more macro-level you get. Every city, county, and state have the ability to be different from the others and fit the mold of the people living there.

We are a LONG shot from being a place that encourages alcohol consumption and serves it wherever humanly possible. Just because you have a problem with alcohol consumption doesn't mean our state government should treat those of us who do indulge as irresponsible children. You have the right to choose not to drink alcohol and teach your children the same. That does not give you or the state legislature the right to make that decision for the rest of us. The reason many of us would like our laws to be more in line with the rest of the nation is because the rest of the nation is doing just fine with less restrictive and more common sense alcohol laws they have. If our current alcohol laws reflected any sense or reason I could see keeping them the way they are... but they don't. If that sounds like a harsh reaction to your post it's because you came across as very dismissive of those who don't share your view.

[jtrent77]

Originally Posted by DMTower

We are a LONG shot from being a place that encourages alcohol consumption and serves it wherever humanly possible. Just because you have a problem with alcohol consumption doesn't mean our state government should treat those of us who do indulge as irresponsible children. You have the right to choose not to drink alcohol and teach your children the same. That does not give you or the state legislature the right to make that decision for the rest of us. The reason many of us would like our laws to be more in line with the rest of the nation is because the rest of the nation is doing just fine with less restrictive and more common sense alcohol laws they have. If our current alcohol laws reflected any sense or reason I could see keeping them the way they are... but they don't. If that sounds like a harsh reaction to your post it's because you came across as very dismissive of those who don't share your view.

Just to be clear, actually it does give the state legislature the right to make the decisions for people as they have been voted into office for that very purpose (i.e. making of laws). So whether you like the laws they make or hate them, they do indeed have that right to make them.

Also as far as everyone railing against the liquor laws and how crazy they think the are, remember that there are still very much dry counties in the US to this day that you can't buy liquor at all, thus clearly they are not the "craziest thing around."

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by jtrent77

Just to be clear, actually it does give the state legislature the right to make the decisions for people as they have been voted into office for that very purpose (i.e. making of laws). So whether you like the laws they make or hate them, they do indeed have that right to make them.

Also as far as everyone railing against the liquor laws and how crazy they think the are, remember that there are still very much dry counties in the US to this day that you can't buy liquor at all, thus clearly they are not the "craziest thing around."

Just because someone is voted into power does not mean they have the right to absolute power. I'm betting you vote conservative, but by your logic you should be perfectly fine with every decision that President Obama and the democrats in power make because they were fairly elected. I'm betting this is not the case and you are being a hypocrite... I would also argue that the state legislature isn't very representative of a large percentage of the population. Utah has been known to redistrict in favor of republican candidates.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/52658048-82/district-gerrymandering-republican-utah.html.csp

http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/11/04/gerrymandering-utah-horrific

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/52652922-90/district-utah-lake-salt.html.csp