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Old Posted Feb 8, 2013, 5:05 AM
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This is one of those great moments in the history of ssp's thread on dtla devlpt, meaning not just the formal unveiling today of the Grand wilshire proj, but the past several days that have also seen the groundbreaking of important new projs.

Thanks to all the forumers who've been posting pics of the various changes occurring over the past few wks, cuz this is one time when the images they've captured are exceptionally helpful, informative & exciting.

Various ppl are often about new devlpt in dt not being taller, while I rank that rather low on the list of what's most important to me. But I have to right now, cuz after seeing the way the owners of grand wilshire are shooting for the moon....going for record height in LA....I find myself now asking why can't the new tower be even taller?! I wanna see something that rivals the tallest of the tall anywhere in the world.

But no matter. It's all good.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2013, 5:53 AM
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Well, for those of you who favor Library Tower-prominence, rest easy. This isn't REALLY a new tallest. And the skyline rendering tells the tale.

I think it's a nice complement to Library Tower.
Not to be a stickler, but there is NO Library Tower in downtown LA. It was changed to the US Bank Tower in 2003. If everybody wants to get vintage...it was the First Interstate Bank Tower initially. It's like still saying the Sears Tower, when Willis Tower is actually the proper tower. We should respect the correct naming of Towers.

Sorry, I saw this everywhere online...the Library Tower was renamed US Bank Tower in 2003 and it should be signified as such going forward.
     
     
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This remind anyone else of the Crystals at CityCenter?

     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2013, 6:06 AM
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Not to be a stickler, but there is NO Library Tower in downtown LA. It was changed to the US Bank Tower in 2003. If everybody wants to get vintage...it was the First Interstate Bank Tower initially. It's like still saying the Sears Tower, when Willis Tower is actually the proper tower. We should respect the correct naming of Towers.

Sorry, I saw this everywhere online...the Library Tower was renamed US Bank Tower in 2003 and it should be signified as such going forward.
Why come after the new guy when the old hands are calling it Library Tower ?

Yes, I know it's US Bank, and that it is affectionately referred to as Library Tower.
     
     
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Not to be a stickler, but there is NO Library Tower in downtown LA. It was changed to the US Bank Tower in 2003. If everybody wants to get vintage...it was the First Interstate Bank Tower initially. It's like still saying the Sears Tower, when Willis Tower is actually the proper tower. We should respect the correct naming of Towers.

Sorry, I saw this everywhere online...the Library Tower was renamed US Bank Tower in 2003 and it should be signified as such going forward.
Does this honestly matter? It isn't as if you don't know what building we're talking about lol.

US Bank paid to get their name on the building. They didn't pay me to call it the US Bank Tower.
     
     
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This remind anyone else of the Crystals at CityCenter?

Big Time.

i really wish that the integration of the mall to the street is done correctly. It can be such a showcase.

Im figuring that this will be a major catalyst for downtown, especially the Figueroa corridor. im betting its only a matter of months before the empty lots on Fig between 7th and 8th, the Empty lots across from the Pantry and LA Central announce projects. Also, the Macys remodel is also very important now. The synergy between the two projects must be done correctly.

Lastly, my sources tell me that the metropolis site will be put up for sale in the near future. I think this is perfect timing since the sale of AEG and the avenue of angels would tie in perfectly. There will be many very interested parties.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2013, 7:49 AM
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Big Time.

i really wish that the integration of the mall to the street is done correctly. It can be such a showcase.

Im figuring that this will be a major catalyst for downtown, especially the Figueroa corridor. im betting its only a matter of months before the empty lots on Fig between 7th and 8th, the Empty lots across from the Pantry and LA Central announce projects. Also, the Macys remodel is also very important now. The synergy between the two projects must be done correctly.
That had me thinking. I feel that the Figueroa corridor could be our counterpart to Market Street in San Francisco. I drove down it on December and I was shocked at how vibrant and lively it was since I've never been in the heart of the Bay City before. When I walk down Figueroa, it seems..pale? I wouldn't know how to describe it, but when I do my massive photo updates I tend to walk on Figueroa to get the Wilshire Grand photo updates, and when I do, I feel as if there is a big gap in the heart of our city which is exactly what you mentioned, the lots between 7th and 8th. A few 20-40 story towers would suit those lots smoothly, with ground floor retail, we could have our market street in no time. The Wilshire Grand mall would bring in the foot traffic we need to make the street much more vibrant and the Figat7th will only be getting bigger and more popular as time goes on.

I don't have high hopes for the car wash lot, but let's hope for the best and it adds a nice high rise to the canyon. But one thing I REALLY want is a reason to go past 11th on foot. Once you reach the Staple Center, there's just massive parking lots and you no longer have a reason to continue going southbound. Those lots NEED to be filled. The corridor could be so much more than what it currently is. But I'll be patient and wait for the best.
     
     
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If this boom is anything like the Vancouver boom as the Onni guys pointed out, we should see a lot those lots start to fill up soon. Although I doubt we'll have 50 cranes up at once, most if these lots around L.A. Live and Fig near the Wilshire Grand shouldn't be empty for much longer.
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Not to be a stickler, but there is NO Library Tower in downtown LA. It was changed to the US Bank Tower in 2003. If everybody wants to get vintage...it was the First Interstate Bank Tower initially. It's like still saying the Sears Tower, when Willis Tower is actually the proper tower. We should respect the correct naming of Towers.

Sorry, I saw this everywhere online...the Library Tower was renamed US Bank Tower in 2003 and it should be signified as such going forward.
     
     
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Congratulations, LA -- that's a beautiful design!
     
     
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Does anyone know if the light display on the old design is still a planned feature on this new one? The night time rendering doesn't show it so I'm afraid they scrapped that idea.
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The tower will be capped by an iconic sail-shaped architectural feature that will be illuminated with LED lighting at night (a common sight in Asia’s flagship cities like Shanghai).
There will be no advertisements though.
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Speaking of the Figueroa corridor, here's an update on the My Figueroa project: http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/02/angelenos-react-my-figueroa

Not sure how accurate that article is. According to the article, LADOT expects the project to be completed by the end of 2014.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 8, 2013, 5:13 PM
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I was mostly kidding when I said last night that I wished the bldg were taller. but after looking more closely at the design, & seeing images of the way it will look against the existing skyline when it's completed....& now realizing its total height is based on a spire at the top....I have to say it's too bad there hasn't been enough demand for new office space in the hood.

If the devlpr could see dt was attracting enough businesses to fill up all the existing bldgs, they probably would have been more ambitious & upped both the amt of space in the tower & its height.

Maybe the owner can move some of its employees from Korea, or elsewhere, to the new bldg in dt? Maybe that will justify not just the current amt of office space in the proj, but allow it to be increased?



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The $1-billion skyscraper is to become the tallest building west of the Mississippi River — and a symbol of South Korea's status as an up-and-coming economic powerhouse.

The 73-story hotel and office building will include 900 guest rooms, double-decker elevators and an observation deck that will afford views of the Pacific Ocean. Slated to replace the old Wilshire Grand Hotel at Wilshire Boulevard at Figueroa Street, the new building will be slightly taller than the nearby U.S. Bank Tower, which has held the title of tallest building west of Chicago since 1989.

Originally planned as two smaller towers when it was announced four years ago, the Korean Air plan has morphed into a single tower that will give the Seoul company bragging rights to the highest skyscraper on the West Coast.

The sail-shaped skyscraper will light up at night and dwarf many of its neighbors. Most of the building will be devoted to a hotel, though an operator has yet to be named. Arriving guests would be whisked by high-speed elevators to the “sky lobby” on the 70th floor for check-in.

According to the plan, the 71st floor will be a restaurant. The floor above that will house window-washing gear and engineering equipment, clearing the top floor for an infinity swimming pool and observation deck.

Near street level will be about three floors of restaurants and shops, topped by 30 floors of offices for rent. Elevators will be double-decked, carrying two stacked cabs of passengers for additional capacity during peak hours.

With the spire reaching to 1,100 feet, the Wilshire Grand would become one of the tallest structures in the country, surpassing the 1,046-foot Chrysler Building in New York, which has 77 stories.

The contemporary design of the Wilshire Grand, with its floor-to-ceiling windows, is intended to set it apart from surrounding granite-clad office towers, said architect David Martin, who is Christopher Martin's cousin.

He hopes the building, which is to include 400,000 square feet of office space, will reflect the city better than the last generation of skyscrapers does. The Wilshire Grand, for instance, will have operable windows in its guest rooms and offices.
^ I think it's almost a necessity to give a public angle to the base of the tower, which will make it more prominent. But that just about requires including retail. however, a shopping area on the 1st 3 levels of what's mainly a hotel tower does make me think of the bonaventure hotel. iow, when it comes to stores, it's always risky to believe that if you build it, they will come.

I said not too long ago that for shopping areas to be successful, it helps to have large numbers of prospective customers in a hood who are women....women with lots of free time, meaning around on the weekend, & who aren't just taking a break at lunch or before & after work. Or lots of women who are tourists, or visiting from the burbs or other parts of town, perhaps accompanied by hubby & the kids. Or younger women with lots of $ to spend.

dtla needs alot more new 24/7 housing to meet that requirement. Or also lots of new companies introducing lots of new workers to the hood, so much so that the volume alone will help make up for a lack of enough residents. But preferably both.

that's why I'm always hoping for more new apt & condo projs, asap....along with more new businesses....along with more features like a stadium....perhaps one featured on the day of the super bowl....that will help bring in more visitors, more tourists. ASAP.
     
     
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^ I forgot to mention that one advantage of the new plan is that, unlike the previous design, it involves only one tower. The older 2 phase plan always bothered me cuz I had a sneaking suspicion it would have resulted in a large gap....a vacant space similar to what has long existed next to the 7th/fig shopping ctr & its adjoining towers....sitting next to the 1st phase tower for several yrs after its completion.
     
     
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As excited as I am about the new tower, this blog post from Yaroslavsky has me more psyched. It's an update on the expo line phase 2. It relates to downtown in that before the new Wilshire Grand is finished, I'll be riding the expo line from downtown to Santa Monica, and people will be able to move a lot more freely east to west. As a web designer, a lot of the jobs are in SM, and I think this will open the work force up to the whole region while not having to drive. I can live downtown, but work out there if I chose.
http://zev.lacounty.gov/blog/expo-2s-ahead-of-the-curve
     
     
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Hi everyone,

Just a heads-up that the SSP forumers meet with myself and Dylan is planned for tomorrow. The thread is at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=203380

We have not yet decided on a location but please weigh in on suggestions in the thread above.
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^ I think it's almost a necessity to give a public angle to the base of the tower, which will make it more prominent. But that just about requires including retail. however, a shopping area on the 1st 3 levels of what's mainly a hotel tower does make me think of the bonaventure hotel. iow, when it comes to stores, it's always risky to believe that if you build it, they will come.
Have you ever been inside the Boneventure? I think you should watch this. I think it'll give you a understanding as to why the shops in the Boneventure have never been a success. This video can explain it better than I can. Plus it's a pretty important video too IMO.

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I think it'll give you a understanding as to why the shops in the Boneventure have never been a success.
if the stores at 7th/fig & macy's plaza had been roaring successes over the past several yrs, often packed with customers....sort of like what you see in other cities whose cores never fell apart & became the victim of burbanization....I'd be less concerned about how retail should be handled in dt. and if that were the case, then I could totally point to the design of the bonaventure's shopping gallery as the only reason for its problems.

however, ralph's has done well, various restaurants in the hood are zooming, & the new target store at 7th/fig does see lines of customers at the check out counter during certain hours of the day. But other kinds of shops are dependent on select types of customers, generally very serious ones....again, often women....who have enough time & income to browse & buy.

I won't bring up the swapmeets on broadway & how for over 30 yrs they've thrived in spite of the rundown condition of the shops & castoff merchandize on display. but even that street is now seeing a demise of its original base of once reliable customers. In that instance, I admit to not being .
     
     
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a) It'll always be Library Tower, Sears Tower, and Oakland Coliseum to me. I don't give a crap who paid what for and I can't believe that anyone other than a corporate CEO would get so riled up about "official names."

b) Wilshire Grand finally recreates in LA what's been going on in Asia for years. Glad to see that something of this caliber is finally in our beloved city. With that said, it certainly doesn't displace Library Tower as my favorite LA tower.
     
     
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So, is anyone going to the forumer meet up?
     
     
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