[Moncton] Downtown Developments - Page 27

JHikka · #**521** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I agree that some of the new apartment buildings in the core area are distressingly suburban in character, but I remain optimistic that things will change over time and it is good to have a mixture of architectural styles for the sake of variety.

Is Moncton looking at revising/updating the municipal plan to alter requirements on new construction within a certain radius within the Downtown?

mylesmalley · #**522** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 3:09 AM**

I don't think so.

I have a hunch that it isn't a problem we're going to need to worry about long term though. While I'm not crazy about the 'suburbanness' of quite a few of the buildings, they're still infill or intensification. I fully expect we'll start seeing a trend toward larger buildings downtown in the next couple of years that will require more 'urban' construction.

benvui · #**523** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 1:29 PM**

I wonder if the crane being used on this site isn't the same one that was in Shediac. They have taken down the mini-crane as they only used it for the foundation and they are now starting framing of the building.

RyeJay · #**524** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 2:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

From today's T&T:

Could Moncton, private sector go it alone?
Monday, January 14, 2013
Times & Transcript
By: Brent Mazerolle

This is significant, as it signals that many people in Moncton are now realising the provincial and federal governments are not going to help with funding.

Upon the likely outcome of the private sector not biting, and the municipality not wanting to take on so much of the risk alone, hopefully we'll see an end to the T&T running articles on this within the year.

The Highfield space could be sold to developers to build more apartments, however. The core's population may still show an upward trend throughout this decade, despite the loss of Moncton High School.

RyeJay · #**525** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 2:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by mylesmalley

While I'm not crazy about the 'suburbanness' of quite a few of the buildings, they're still infill or intensification.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by mylesmalley

I fully expect we'll start seeing a trend toward larger buildings downtown in the next couple of years that will require more 'urban' construction.

I do not expect this, but I would love to see it!

BlackYear · #**526** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 3:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Interesting tidbit in the Sleuth today.

There are two adjacent houses on Dufferin St which have identical "for sale" signs up. One of these two houses met the wreckers ball this week. Both of these properties are immediately adjacent to the rear of the recently demolished Wesley Memorial United Church.

The Sleuth therefore was speculating that the properties might be consolidated and that something "big" might be in the offing. The rumour has always been that there would be a large mixed use development built on the Wesley site. Perhaps something will soon transpire......

Make that 3 houses. All sold by the same realtor and all demolished. If someone really wants to do some investigating, how about knocking on the door of the 4th and 5th house and speak with the owners. These are the only 2 houses left on that block, other than the pizza and martial arts buildings.

Someone posted on this site, can't find that post, but mentioned they had some inside scoop on a major development in the downtown area. I wonder if this person was suggesting this site.

I'm also guessing that each of those three houses were bought and sold for around $130,000 each, if not a little bit more, depending on the market value.

At the current pace of the activity on this block, something big must be brewing here.

MonctonRad · #**527** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 3:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Budyser

Someone posted on this site, can't find that post, but mentioned they had some inside scoop on a major development in the downtown area. I wonder if this person was suggesting this site.

I was thinking exactly the same thing Budyser

I'm not sure who it was, perhaps lrdevlop, but I recall him teasing us about having inside knowledge on something "big", but when I tried to look for the post, I couldn't find it.

In any event, I think something is going to happen at the old Wesley site, and it might happen pretty fast, within the next year. There are too many hints out there not to think otherwise....

Monctoncore · #**528** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 3:55 PM**

With all the St. George talk of late, here is a really cool thing off the Downtown Moncton inc. site. It is a Pdf file with all the information about where they would like to make changes on St. George, all the possible locations for growth and also gives the cost of what they plan on doing over the next few years to fix it up.
http://downtownmoncton.com/webcura/files/223796_downtown_design_solutions.pdf

Monctoncore · #**529** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 4:01 PM**

It was on the Moncton Idea's thread on page 2

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Lrdevlop

- Residential construction over 4-6 stories in core
That's probably going to happen soon But I can't say anything else!

He also mentions that he was so excited about it that he couldn't help but post it.

MonctonRad · #**530** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 4:16 PM**

Good stuff Monctoncore, thanks for finding it.

St. George Street has a lot of potential. Consider the following:
- The Killam proposal next to the Assumption Cathedral which will be a six storey apartment building.
- The rumours surrounding the Wesley site, which again might be six stories or more.
- Plans for ongoing gentrification

Moncton deserves a second "Main Street" downtown!

Monctoncore · #**531** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 4:22 PM**

This is an email from Killiam about there St. George St. plans, it seems like they also have another location in the downtown that they may build first.

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Robert Richardson Killam <[email protected]>
Jan 5 (11 days ago)

Hello

We continue to review the Archibald/St. George site and one other we have under contract in the area for the best option to proceed.

Regards,

Robert Richardson
Suite 100, 3700 Kempt Road
Halifax, NS, B3K 4X8
o: 902-454-9202
c: 902-456-5392

pierremoncton · #**532** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by Budyser

Make that 3 houses. All sold by the same realtor and all demolished. If someone really wants to do some investigating, how about knocking on the door of the 4th and 5th house and speak with the owners. These are the only 2 houses left on that block, other than the pizza and martial arts buildings.

I'm also guessing that each of those three houses were bought and sold for around $130,000 each, if not a little bit more, depending on the market value.

Sales on that block as per the Service NB website:

168 CAMERON ST City of/Cité de Moncton $415,000 2011-12-13
160-160 1/2 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $75,000 2011-04-29
162 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $118,700 2011-05-31
164 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $40,000 2011-05-13
405-407 ST GEORGE ST City of/Cité de Moncton $1 2010-11-19
170-170.1/2 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $1 2012-11-01

168 Cameron is the church. 405-407 St George is Cedars (for $1, it's probably just a family transfer). 170 Dufferin was probably also just transferred between family -- it's decrepit and currently selling for $30,000 on MLS, so the developers would've bought it by now if they wanted it. None of the other buildings on the block have been sold.

My prediction: just an apartment building, with a parking lot on the three Dufferin properties.

pierremoncton · #**533** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 4:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

- The Killam proposal next to the Assumption Cathedral which will be a six storey apartment building.

Seven was the plan.

MonctonRad · #**534** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by pierremoncton

Seven was the plan.

Ooops, you're right...

I'm at work right now and don't have time for in depth research.

Lrdevlop · #**535** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 7:56 PM**

Hey everyone,

This is not the project I was talking about. The one I was talking about would be a bit closer to Main St.

However, as for this project, someone I know very well who lives on Cameron St (which is just in front of that lot) told me that he heard it would be a ~7 story condo or appartement building... Let's all hope it's true!

RyeJay · #**536** Posted **Jan 16, 2013, 8:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by Lrdevlop

Hey everyone,

This is not the project I was talking about. The one I was talking about would be a bit closer to Main St.

However, as for this project, someone I know very well who lives on Cameron St (which is just in front of that lot) told me that he heard it would be a ~7 story condo or appartement building... Let's all hope it's true!

Interesting

NBNYer · #**537** Posted **Jan 17, 2013, 12:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Lrdevlop

Hey everyone,

This is not the project I was talking about. The one I was talking about would be a bit closer to Main St.

However, as for this project, someone I know very well who lives on Cameron St (which is just in front of that lot) told me that he heard it would be a ~7 story condo or appartement building... Let's all hope it's true!

So much speculation!! so little confirmed. I'd be nice to get some renderings on a few of these.

things are getting confusing. so far, here's what the speculation machine has gathered over the past year or so for downtown residential development.

1. Cameron and St-George (possibly 7 stories)
2. Lrdevlop's reported project closer to Main (possibly over 4-6 stories)
3. Harper and Main (likely down to 4 stories)
4. Archibald and St-George (Killam properties' proposal at 7 stories)
5. Westmorland and Assumption (old renderings at 5-6 story range)
6. Possibly another Killam properties proposal as per Monctoncore's exchange with KP.

JHikka · #**538** Posted **Jan 17, 2013, 1:39 AM**

It would definitely be welcome to see some 5 storey + developments going up soon. The Downtown area needs some densification and there's plenty of land available to do so.

riverviewer · #**539** Posted **Jan 17, 2013, 10:21 AM**

'Glass Tower' to get a major facelift'

Work has begun

monctonian · #**540** Posted **Jan 17, 2013, 4:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by pierremoncton

Sales on that block as per the Service NB website:

168 CAMERON ST City of/Cité de Moncton $415,000 2011-12-13
160-160 1/2 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $75,000 2011-04-29
162 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $118,700 2011-05-31
164 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $40,000 2011-05-13
405-407 ST GEORGE ST City of/Cité de Moncton $1 2010-11-19
170-170.1/2 DUFFERIN ST City of/Cité de Moncton $1 2012-11-01

168 Cameron is the church. 405-407 St George is Cedars (for $1, it's probably just a family transfer). 170 Dufferin was probably also just transferred between family -- it's decrepit and currently selling for $30,000 on MLS, so the developers would've bought it by now if they wanted it. None of the other buildings on the block have been sold.

My prediction: just an apartment building, with a parking lot on the three Dufferin properties.

comment - in November, 2012, ownership of 170 Dufferin was transferred to the mortgagee (First National Financial GP Corporation). That is why the amount is $1. Notable: 170 Dufferin has been for sale since 2008; the current list price is the lowest since then; the land is undersized at 41 feet x 42 feet.