[St. John's] The Official Project Thread

[Townie709]

Originally Posted by jeddy1989

I agree, they are just two completely different types of cities, and I think we will feel much larger when we add some tall buildings to the sceen

You mean if we add some tall buildings to the scene. I guess as long as the majority of council likes the developments they will get approved no matter how many people protest and complain. It's going to be no easy battle to get anything tall here and in the past all we could hope for was big proposals to create enough fuss allow smaller ones to get approved.

I really do hope that is finally changed. We will have to wait and see, but we all have to be prepared to be very frustrated with some peoples opinions when some of these big proposals come to light.. I would love a few taller buildings though!!

[SignalHillHiker]

We really should look at joining forces to support developments that we, individually, like. We should coordinate letter-writing campaigns, like we did for the Marriott and Star of the Sea, but more formally.

And we should definitely ensure we have representation at relevant public meetings, etc.

I'll start a thread we can use to try to make it a little organized...

[Architype]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

It's true that most people use Metros but in this specific case it definitely leads to comparing apples and oranges.

The City of St. John's has 106,000 people. The City of Regina has 193,000 people.

Trust me, when you visit both, THAT'S the difference you feel. It doesn't matter which city has sprawling suburbs that get included with its metro, and which city has farmland. When you're in the city, you don't even know what's outside it.

You don't walk around Regina thinking, "Oh, this Metro is about the same size as the St. John's Metro!" - Regina is simply, obviously MUCH bigger. You walk around thinking, "Holy ****, I had no idea Regina was this big. Has to be, what, two, three times the size of St. John's?"

What your'e saying is only partly true. Cities with large metros are heavily supported by their suburbs and the city proper serves as the main downtown for it's whole metro. The City of Winnipeg has a larger population than the City of Vancouver, but Winnipeg has a relatively tiny metro area outside it. Vancouver's downtown outshines Winnipeg's many times over; one of the reasons is because of it's much larger metro area. The City of Victoria (pop 80,000) is also smaller than City of St.John's, but has a metro area about 70% larger, and therefore a larger and denser core area.

[SignalHillHiker]

Originally Posted by Architype

What your'e saying is only partly true. Cities with large metros are heavily supported by their suburbs and the city proper serves as the main downtown for it's whole metro. The City of Winnipeg has a larger population than the City of Vancouver, but Winnipeg has a relatively tiny metro area outside it. Vancouver's downtown outshines Winnipeg's many times over; one of the reasons is because of it's much larger metro area. The City of Victoria is also much smaller than City of St.John's as well, but has a larger metro area almost twice the size, and therefore a larger and denser core area.

Wow... I never would have guessed Winnipeg was larger than Vancouver. Never. Point taken.

And I agree that Victoria feels much larger than St. John's.

[Architype]

You are still partly right in that a city such as Regina originally planned as one cohesive unit is different and more concentrated. However, if the metro grows relatively much larger it has a direct influence on the core city. There are many factors, such as the timeline and rate of growth; what types of development occurred in and around the city is determined by the era in which most of the growth took place. St. John's is growing now during an era which spawns big box development and industrial parks as much or more than growth of the downtown.

[SignalHillHiker]

Uggh, I know! Our towers built at this time are mostly going to age well... but our suburban sprawl is just... brutal.

[Architype]

In The news:

Hebron offshore oil project

Exxon Mobil Corp., one of the world’s largest energy companies, has pledged to spend $14-billion (U.S.) to develop the Hebron oilfield off Canada’s east coast.

The spending will further extend Newfoundland and Labrador’s recent good fortune, with the province collecting millions of dollars in royalties and taxes. Oil production is slated to begin in 2017, and the platform is designed to suck 150,000 barrels of oil a day out of the ocean floor, Exxon said Friday. . .

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on...ron-offshore-oil-project/article6942298/

[SignalHillHiker]

That field will be pumping out 150,000 barrels of oil each day for 12.7 years. Amazing.

[Architype]

It's hard to visualize 150,000 barrels of oil. . . let alone per day.

[SignalHillHiker]

If my math is correct, it will be pumping out about 1.7 barrels of oil per second.

[Architype]

Is that enough to create more demand for office space, or is that in some way more similar to the rate of flow of dollars to the mainland ?

[SignalHillHiker]

For sure a few extra shelving units.

[Architype]

And the entire Dannyland development perhaps.

[SignalHillHiker]

Originally Posted by Architype

And the entire Dannyland development perhaps.

I hope it's something truly unique and beautiful but it's surely just going to be the same modern crap - just slightly better planned and appropriately served by local amenities.

[Architype]

They said it will amount to $63 billion worth of oil in total.
How many Fortis buildings is that, I can't calculate that many zeros.

[Architype]

I see a few photos have been posted here - - please don't forget to credit them if they are not yours.

[statbass]

Just got this off the council agenda for Monday, Jan 7.

Representatives of KMK Properties Inc. to discuss proposed revised Stage 2 for Tiffany Estates Residential Development – Tiffany Lane (Ward 4)

Representatives of KMK Properties Inc. were in attendance to discuss the proposed revised Stage 2 for Tiffany Estates Residential Development

On a motion put forth by Councillor O’Leary; seconded by Councillor Hickman the Committee recommends that the applicant be asked to prepare a Land Use Assessment Report (LUAR) for the proposed revised Stage 2 of the Tiffany Village Seniors’ residential Development. It is also recommended that once the report has been received and reviewed by staff, that staff be directed to proceed with public notification of the application, the LUAR and required text amendments to the Municipal Plan and Development Regulations. This process would include a newspaper notice, notices mailed to property owners and residents in the area and posting of the LUAR on the City’s website. The Committee recommends the proposed terms of reference for the Land Use Assessment Report as attached be approved by Council.

Looks like a LUAR is forthcoming!

http://stjohns.ca/sites/default/files/files/agenda/Regular%20Agenda%20January%207%202013.pdf

Notice the post number......!!!!!

[christopher_chafe]

Hey folks.......I wanna put out this question to all of you (It was part of a very heated argument at my work place today)

Realistically how long do each of you see the DT Core staying Heritage, especially with all the demand for Class A Office Space and with our future looking bright when it comes to OIL & Gas?

I don't want to start an argument over this, so please keep emotions out of the responses.

I will start off by saying a decade.

[SignalHillHiker]

Originally Posted by statbass

Just got this off the council agenda for Monday, Jan 7.



Looks like a LUAR is forthcoming!

http://stjohns.ca/sites/default/files/files/agenda/Regular%20Agenda%20January%207%202013.pdf

Notice the post number......!!!!!

Thanks for sharing, I forgot to check this today. Reading now!

[Architype]

Originally Posted by christopher_chafe

Hey folks.......I wanna put out this question to all of you (It was part of a very heated argument at my work place today)

Realistically how long do each of you see the DT Core staying Heritage, especially with all the demand for Class A Office Space and with our future looking bright when it comes to OIL & Gas?

I don't want to start an argument over this, so please keep emotions out of the responses.

I will start off by saying a decade.

Christopher, IMO - I think the core can stay heritage in the east, it can expand in the west (and some in the central area), and when it runs out of flat land you can begin to develop up the hill in the west end. The steep grades do not have to be a deterrent as they were in the past. Buildings can be connected for pedestrians using systems similar to pedways, incorporating escalators, elevators etc. to overcome the grade changes if necessary. That does not mean there can be no development in the east end, but it will just be more regulated as it is now.