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Originally Posted by oldpainless
This conversation originally was about where to put the Falcons stadium, which is pretty relevant to this board. And it has since expanded into why Atlanta sports attendance is yawn-worthy in general, which if you were following the conversation I was stating the case that attendance is only average partly due to where stadiums are located and how far away and inaccessible from the majority of the fanbase they are. I don't care if you agree with me or not but its still relevant to the board. I thought this was a board about discussion of development in Atlanta. But instead its a place where you'll get insulted if you don't share the prevailing opinion of the board. You would rather insult me than explain why you disagree, which contributes nothing to the conversation. I can tell when I'm not wanted so peace out. Don't waste your time responding because I'm gone.
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It's just that your logic is not all that logical at times. It's as though you start with a point of view and then pick and choose issues to try to prove your point of view.
How many MLB stadiums have a heavy rail station within a couple of blocks? You make it seem like its common that many do. Does Philly's Citizen Bank Park? And if it does, is it near the convergence of two major interstates like Turner Field? Hell, how many MLB cities even have heavy rail? Turner Field is one of the biggest MLB stadiums in MLB - over 50k capacity. Do you take that in your conclusion about sellouts? So its not that surprising if Turner Field is not going to sell out as much as much 40k capacity stadium.
You suggest a football stadium in Perimeter area (which has arguably the worst traffic in the metro area) with less connectivity than Downtown. Miss an exit in the Perimeter area - you will have to go nearly to Cumberland, Roswell, Doraville, Tucker or Buckhead to get back to the area. Furthermore what are you gonna bulldoze in Perimeter to build a stadium?
Also, the housing projects around the Georgia Dome are already gone. And there has not been many years of government assistance in the area as you suggest. I see a lot of potential in Vine City, English Avenue neighborhoods near the Georgia Dome. Castleberry's potential is already being realized. Driving through Vine City/English Ave neighborhoods, you see what it once was - with corner stores, houses, schools and the tight blocks. Except for the lower socio-economic conditions, it really is not that much different than Grant Park, O4W, or even VaHi. If a neighborhood is asked to support a stadium that is being built with government assistance - I don't think its much to ask the government to assist that neighborhood's residents with nuisance such as tailgating, taking resident's parking, relieving themselves, trash, drunkiness, etc... I'm not necessarily a proponent of a new stadium in the area or in anywhere Downtown partly because of the impact that it has on residents but your logic is all over the place.
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