ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[testarossa50]

How large is that garage going to be, exactly?

I'm not sure what's worse: a garage being short and taking up a lot of space, or a tall monstrosity that fits on a smaller plot. I probably lean towards the first one being worse, but both are pretty bad.

Definitely time to beef up the zoning regs on parking requirements and exteriors imo.

[jpk1292000]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Well with Buckhead Atlanta above ground now and cranes in the ground and apartments being put up all over the place around Atlanta...there's A LOT to discuss. I'd call intown construction a frenzy at this point.

Zanarkand...I work in Vinings, want to trade offices? You have a lot of options to be thankful for down there; I don't have anything...literally.

I work in Vinings too, and while the choices aren't good, there are a few diamonds in the rough. Heirloom BBQ and Peter Cheng's on Akers Mill, and La Carreta and Williamson Brothers BBQ in Marietta on Roswell Road. Unfortunately, these are all not even close to walking distance from my office. Certainly, I would prefer my office to be in town but it could be worse.

[clexmond]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

How large is that garage going to be, exactly?

I'm not sure what's worse: a garage being short and taking up a lot of space, or a tall monstrosity that fits on a smaller plot. I probably lean towards the first one being worse, but both are pretty bad.

Definitely time to beef up the zoning regs on parking requirements and exteriors imo.

It's a short garage that takes up about 1/3rd of that whole block: http://midtown.patch.com/articles/novare-tower-will-have-active-uses-along-entirety-of-juniper

Fortunately the NPU did force at least some changes so there will be retail all along Juniper to the corner of 6th as well as some sort of greenery covering the deck. Baby steps I guess.

Edit: If I had been on the NPU committee reviewing the proposal, I think I would have asked for them to eliminate the Juniper curb cut as penance for the deck. Instead now there's going to be one on 6th and one on Juniper.

[jpk1292000]

There really is alot being built in town right now. Maybe the most going on since I moved here in 2000. Not in terms of high rises, but in terms of Atlanta transforming itself in a very urban way. 18 months from now, intown will be quite a bit different from what it is today, and in a good way.

[delarosa]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

I'm ready for more ethnic restaurants that are cheap! And actual soft good retail moreso than anything!

In my opinion, this continues to be an issue with the state (and possibly near-term trajectory) of intown neighborhoods. It's one of the things that sticks out when making comparisons to the more significant metros in the US (and there are other things to be sure). Maybe it's just a matter of time, but...

I agree...the last thing this city needs is more upper-scale foodie joints. In many respects I think what we've been seeing is some fairly homogenous development. How about some Korean on the cheap? Or a small Persian joint? Etc...that don't average $12 a plate. Of course Atlanta does afford Buford Hwy and other burbs for the cheap, ethnic options.

I think the same goes for a lot of the retail, though, while not retail per se, the mention of a dentist office in/near(?) Viewpoint is encouraging.

Just an opinion of course...

[AtlantaMustang]

I hadn't seen this one posted yet, article in the Midtown Patch:

http://midtown.patch.com/articles/another-mixed-used-proposed-for-the-westside

"A newly proposed mixed-use development targeting Atlanta’s westside would include 230 apartments and 9,000 square feet of restaurant and retail space wrapped around a multilevel parking deck.

Perennial Properties wants to rezone 2.965 acres of property bounded by 9th Street, 8th Street, Brady Avenue and Howell Mill Road near where The Optimist restaurant currently sits and hopefully deliver the project by fall of 2014.

....."

[micropundit]

Management company Starwood Hotels and Resorts Worldwide Inc., submitted a building permit application with City of Atlanta Tuesday to renovate the 263 guest rooms inside the Days Inn, at 300 Spring Street

Banyan Investment Group, in partnership with DeBartolo Development LLC, will spend a total of $25 million renovating the 3.1-acre property.

The Days Inn should reopen as a 242-room Aloft in summer 2013.









http://www.whatnowatlanta.com/2012/12/23...e-plans-for-downtown-renovation-project/

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by clexmond

Do you mean that one specific intersection? Because there are tons of restaurants around 14th / Peachtree. Between all the places on Crescent and the new restaurants that have opened in 12th & Midtown I'd think you'd be able to rotate out lunches for months.

We're already tired of most of them, plus some are too pricey for lunch 5 times per week. I do need to check out the two at 12th and Midtown though, so thanks for reminding me.

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Zanarkand...I work in Vinings, want to trade offices? You have a lot of options to be thankful for down there; I don't have anything...literally.

Haha, fair enough!

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by delarosa

In my opinion, this continues to be an issue with the state (and possibly near-term trajectory) of intown neighborhoods. It's one of the things that sticks out when making comparisons to the more significant metros in the US (and there are other things to be sure). Maybe it's just a matter of time, but...

I agree...the last thing this city needs is more upper-scale foodie joints. In many respects I think what we've been seeing is some fairly homogenous development. How about some Korean on the cheap? Or a small Persian joint? Etc...that don't average $12 a plate. Of course Atlanta does afford Buford Hwy and other burbs for the cheap, ethnic options.

I think the same goes for a lot of the retail, though, while not retail per se, the mention of a dentist office in/near(?) Viewpoint is encouraging.

Just an opinion of course...

Very true, I'd like more options than burgers, steaks, and taco bars, or bars that happen to serve burgers, steaks, and tacos. If any of you have been to Charlotte and tried a place called Cowfish, which serves a variety of burgers (I know, but hear me out), sushi, and combinations of the two, that's the kind of restaurant I want on the Westside. The sushi there was as good as the quality sushi I had in Tokyo, and it blew me away. That's fusion food that actually makes sense, instead of the finger food I've come across up to now.

[Zanarkand A East]

Originally Posted by micropundit

The Days Inn should reopen as a 242-room Aloft in summer 2013.

Finally! And I hope the Post Properties project across the street (literally) from the New World of Coke puts shovels in the ground too. Pemberton Place looks amazing with the white and red trees, and having more people walking to Centennial Olympic Park, Luckie Marietta, and the Hudson Grill opening across from Philips Arena would give us even more foot traffic intown.

[echinatl]

Originally Posted by Zanarkand A East

Finally! And I hope the Post Properties project across the street (literally) from the New World of Coke puts shovels in the ground too. Pemberton Place looks amazing with the white and red trees, and having more people walking to Centennial Olympic Park, Luckie Marietta, and the Hudson Grill opening across from Philips Arena would give us even more foot traffic intown.

I agree, that area Downtown really needs more residential to go along with all the other stuff that's been popping up.

[Zanarkand A East]

Agreed! I hope they put more dense residential near Philips too, which could boost attendance at games and attract more restaurants. CNN Center isn't enough, and the product mix isn't great before games. Can't wait to see the Centennial Olympic Park renovations too.

[Immovable_Media]

I came across this article from the Saporta Report website.

http://saportareport.com/blog/2012/05/th...a-but-no-signs-of-imminent-construction/

Does anyone have any updates on the projects mentioned in bold?

Date: May 7th, 2012, 12:31 am
20 3 6 96

By David Pendered

Three separate proposals for major apartment developments in Atlanta indicate that landowners are setting the stage for a hoped-for recovery in the housing market.

There is no indication that construction is set to begin anytime soon, or whether the units are aimed at the rental or owner market. But the very idea of expending the effort and expense to ask the city government to approve additional dense housing developments is a testament to the belief that major investors will return to back big deals in Atlanta.

The Atlanta City Council today is slated to start the formal consideration of requests that would allow for the following three developments:

An apartment tower of 13 or more stories to be built in Buckhead, along East Andrews Drive between the Cherokee Town and Country Club and the St. Regis Atlanta luxury hotel and residences;

A five-story apartment project to be built along the BeltLine in Buckhead, on the site of Colonial Homes Apartments north of Piedmont Hospital, in addition to a proposed swap of cash and land in exchange 0.6 acres owned by the city;

An apartment building of up to 12 floors to be built near the Atlanta University Center, along with a related request for an assisted-living facility on a 2-acre site owned by the Atlanta Housing Authority, which specializes in mixed-income projects that co-mingle market-based prices with rates of traditional public housing.

The Buckhead apartment tower is proposed on a portion of the 30-acre site once eyed by the Atlanta Board of Education as the site for a future high school. The property owner fended off that effort, and sold the tract in 2011 to a Texas-based apartment developer for about $20 million. The owners were John W. Grant III and SunTrust, according to Fulton County property records.

The complete site originally was developed in 1965 as Paces Apartments. This land once was part of the Grant family estate, which included the town club that once served as the family home. Grant Field, at Georgia Tech, was named for the family.

Camden USA, Inc. is the new owner that submitted the paperwork to develop the 13.6-acre site. Camden USA is headed by Ric Campo, who also serves as chairman and CEO of Camden Property Trust, a publicly traded Real Estate Investment Trust with a market cap of $5.46 billion on May 4.

Camden incorporated in Georgia in June 2011 and listed a Houston address. The company has a regional office in the Perimeter area, and Camden’s website says it oversees more than 66,000 apartment units in almost 200 properties located in 12 states.

The five-floor apartment project near Piedmont Hospital has been controlled by Atlanta-based Pope & Land Enterprises since 2005. A corporate entity named P&L Colonial LLC paid $25.4 million for about 16 acres and a set of apartments built mainly in the late 1940s.

At the time, this area was just being incorporated into the Atlanta BeltLine, and the BeltLine was promising to create wealth for developers who revitalized decayed communities for what was a white hot intown real estate market.

The Atlanta City Council initially rejected the developer’s plan to build about 250 apartments on land that now provides about 40 units. The developer appealed to Fulton County Superior Court, where a judge ordered the council to rezone the land.

In this case, the developer also proposes a land swap with the city. P&L has asked the city to abandon a portion of a public road that measures about 0.6 acres. P&L needs that land to relocate a right-of-way. In exchange, P&L would provide about 0.4 acres to the city and pay a price to be determined by the city.

The proposal for the project near the Atlanta University Center was submitted by Integral Development, LLC, which has helped AHA build several new communities on the site of demolished public housing projects. Integral Development also is on the teams selected to redevelop Fort McPherson and the sprawling region around, and including, the railroad Gulch in downtown Atlanta.

AHA demolished University Homes in 2009. The project originally opened in 1938 as a public housing project for African Americans, and was viewed as a sister to Techwood Homes, which opened in 1936 as the first public housing project in the United States.

The developer has requested a change in the city’s Comprehensive Development Plan in order to allow construction of a residential building of up to 12 stories. The proposed assisted-living facility is being requested for the same address, 668 Atlanta Student Movement Boulevard, which is the new name for a portion of Fair Street from Northside Drive to Joseph Lowery Boulevard.

[oldpainless]

Originally Posted by ATLaffinity

I tend to agree with ATL_J. New stadium is coming. Get on board and hope it can serve more than the NFL (hopefully MLS expansion).

Sorry, but there's no way ATL can support an MLS team. Atlanta is barely supporting its existing professional teams (Hawks, Falcons, Braves) and has a history of average to poor game attendance. Look at all the forces to reckon with:
1) Atlanta is a very transient town. There are too many northern transplants that bring their team allegiances with them and could care less about the local sports scene.
2) Metro Atlanta is extremely spread out and car oriented, therefore getting to a game downtown is a major pain in the ass for sports fans. And where do the majority of Metro Atlanta residents live? Thats right, the suburbs. Only the most dedicated, die-hard fans will make the effort to go downtown to watch a game. It doesn't help either that the geniouses who planned the Olympic Stadium located it 1/2 mile away from the closest MARTA station. Turner Field is already far away from its fan base and in a bad part of town (see #3), so you'd think planners would at least put a MARTA station in the Turner Field plaza to give fans a break.
3) The powers that be will demand any future MLS or NFL stadium to be downtown - or in other words, as far away and as inaccessible a place as is physically possible for the vast majority of the fan base (who live in the suburbs). And that new sports venue will probably be in a shady neighborhood no less - and why wouldn't it? All the other venues are snuggled up next to shady neighborhoods (Vine City, Peoplestown anyone?). Walk just 3 blocks east of Turner Field on a Wednesday night after a poorly-attended game. Sports patrons shouldn't feel progressively more endangered the further they walk from the stadium, but thats the reality.

No, an MLS expansion in Atlanta is a horrible idea. Until transplants start adopting their local teams and stadiums are built where the fanbase is, Atlanta will never be a place where sports franchises thrive long term.

[clexmond]

Originally Posted by oldpainless

Sorry, but there's no way ATL can support an MLS team. Atlanta is barely supporting its existing professional teams (Hawks, Falcons, Braves) and has a history of average to poor game attendance. Look at all the forces to reckon with:
1) Atlanta is a very transient town. There are too many northern transplants that bring their team allegiances with them and could care less about the local sports scene.
2) Metro Atlanta is extremely spread out and car oriented, therefore getting to a game downtown is a major pain in the ass for sports fans. And where do the majority of Metro Atlanta residents live? Thats right, the suburbs. Only the most dedicated, die-hard fans will make the effort to go downtown to watch a game. It doesn't help either that the geniouses who planned the Olympic Stadium located it 1/2 mile away from the closest MARTA station. Turner Field is already far away from its fan base and in a bad part of town (see #3), so you'd think planners would at least put a MARTA station in the Turner Field plaza to give fans a break.
3) The powers that be will demand any future MLS or NFL stadium to be downtown - or in other words, as far away and as inaccessible a place as is physically possible for the vast majority of the fan base (who live in the suburbs). And that new sports venue will probably be in a shady neighborhood no less - and why wouldn't it? All the other venues are snuggled up next to shady neighborhoods (Vine City, Peoplestown anyone?). Walk just 3 blocks east of Turner Field on a Wednesday night after a poorly-attended game. Sports patrons shouldn't feel progressively more endangered the further they walk from the stadium, but thats the reality.

No, an MLS expansion in Atlanta is a horrible idea. Until transplants start adopting their local teams and stadiums are built where the fanbase is, Atlanta will never be a place where sports franchises thrive long term.

1. While it's true there are a lot of transplants in Atlanta, both the Braves and Falcons do fine (Braves attendance and Falcons attendance are generally average for the US)

2. What does the lack of MARTA connectivity to Turner field have to do with the future Falcon's stadium? The stadium will almost certainly be walking distance from several different MARTA stops.

3. Perhaps we should spend some money and help improve these neighborhoods then as part of any new stadium deal (this has been discussed quite a bit).

[Immovable_Media]

Camden Property Trust has begun site preparation on their new development on East Andrews in between Roswell Rd and West Paces Ferry: Two 10 floor apartment buildings with parking decks and townhouses. This development will have a large "footprint" yet many of the trees are going to be saved to create a series of natural buffers between the building/parking deck. This is a multi phase development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ueIOICS6Wo


92 East Paces Ferry has topped out. The crane was being taken down and hauled away mid afternoon on 12/27. IMO the parking lot in front of this development should also be redeveloped. An English Garden style pocket park would be a perfect fit to all the "luxury" living, shopping and dining in the area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIN1Pbl6IAI

Buckhead Atlanta is moving along nicely. Construction continues on the 20 floor retail/parking/residential tower. The site next to the Buckhead Library remains dormant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPyK4zaKLqc

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by oldpainless

Sorry, but there's no way ATL can support an MLS team. Atlanta is barely supporting its existing professional teams (Hawks, Falcons, Braves) and has a history of average to poor game attendance. Look at all the forces to reckon with:
1) Atlanta is a very transient town. There are too many northern transplants that bring their team allegiances with them and could care less about the local sports scene.
2) Metro Atlanta is extremely spread out and car oriented, therefore getting to a game downtown is a major pain in the ass for sports fans. And where do the majority of Metro Atlanta residents live? Thats right, the suburbs. Only the most dedicated, die-hard fans will make the effort to go downtown to watch a game. It doesn't help either that the geniouses who planned the Olympic Stadium located it 1/2 mile away from the closest MARTA station. Turner Field is already far away from its fan base and in a bad part of town (see #3), so you'd think planners would at least put a MARTA station in the Turner Field plaza to give fans a break.
3) The powers that be will demand any future MLS or NFL stadium to be downtown - or in other words, as far away and as inaccessible a place as is physically possible for the vast majority of the fan base (who live in the suburbs). And that new sports venue will probably be in a shady neighborhood no less - and why wouldn't it? All the other venues are snuggled up next to shady neighborhoods (Vine City, Peoplestown anyone?). Walk just 3 blocks east of Turner Field on a Wednesday night after a poorly-attended game. Sports patrons shouldn't feel progressively more endangered the further they walk from the stadium, but thats the reality.

No, an MLS expansion in Atlanta is a horrible idea. Until transplants start adopting their local teams and stadiums are built where the fanbase is, Atlanta will never be a place where sports franchises thrive long term.

I'm not going to go ahead and rehash old things I've already said, but I would like to talk about your assumption that Atlanta could not support an MLS team.

1) Atlanta does decent enough in supporting those teams as Clexmond pointed out. It's not as a dire situation as you try to convey. The support for baseball, basketball or football has nothing to do with the support of soccer however. While transients bring preexisting loyalties from the established sport leagues, the MLS is fairly new and the majority of people do not have a preexisting loyalty to another MLS team.

2) The stadium will have access to MARTA.

3) The stadium would be downtown.

[AtlantaMustang]

Here's a render for SkyHouse Houston in its thread, which I assume is the same design as 100 6th, just with the different crown.

Originally Posted by Wattleigh

Generic SkyHouse Image Link/HBJ: http://assets.bizjournals.com/houston/print-edition/SkyHouse%20web%20edit.jpg?v=1

Look at the astonishing difference between Novare's designs.


http://blog.skyhousemidtown.com/apartmen...midtown-will-offer-an-amazing-lifestyle/

I do like 100 6th Street's crown design better though..

[AtlantaMustang]

And an updated render posted by SmArTaLlone in the Atlanta Regional Forum.

Originally Posted by smArTaLlone

One12 Courtland

[Nanosolar]

Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

Here's a render for SkyHouse Houston in its thread, which I assume is the same design as 100 6th, just with the different crown.

Those pictures don't show the true beauty and grace of the massive concrete parking deck next to the building!