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Old Posted Dec 16, 2012, 9:03 PM
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BEAUTIFUL PICS!!!!

I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the one of waterstreet! omg its like exactly why I love st. john's at xmas time




And look at how good the west end DT is shapping up and how it will be in the future I LOVE it!!



The city is definitely taking shape!



Those 16 store towers will have quite the impact!! I think the grade of the land here gives some buildings great impact .. that they wouldnt get in other cities

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^ Those are great photos from today, and as noted, especially the one of Water Street because there are no cars, and a bit of snow gives it a great old-time look.
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Hilton Garden Inn: I gotta say, I prefer the older proposal. I see what they were going for with the newer render. And don't get me wrong, I'm not as horribly opposed to it as Signal is. In fact, I think that if it were built, it would probably look much better in real life than in the image. I also have to provide them with much praise for being so close to the sidewalk. That's the sort of thing that one likes to see in any urban environment.

I wouldn't come out in opposition to this development.
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since we've been talking about hotels.. I think we've forgotten about the hampton inn

here's what I found on their website

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Hampton Inn & Suites
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St. John’s – NL

This Hilton brand hotel is conveniently located on the Trans Canada Highway, minutes from the Airport. A 5 storey building with 129 rooms and 2,500 Sq ft. meeting room space.
Opening: April 2013

a coloured rendering

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That's basically the big box store look of hotels. It's fine where it is. But that other monstrosity is not allowed downtown.
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2012, 5:07 PM
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Here's some info about the fence from the port authority



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There have been concerns raised about the St. John’s Port Authority’s (SJPA) plans to construct a safety/security fence on the Marginal Wharf at Harbour Drive. In response, the SJPA has prepared the following to provide clarity:

Q1: Is the safety/security fence to be built by the St. John’s Port Authority (SJPA) to be installed along the entire waterfront?

A: No. The safety/security fence will be built from the eastern portion of Pier 9 to Pier 11. Using Harbour Drive buildings as references, the safety/security fence will extend from the western side of Atlantic Place to the Fortis Building. This area comprises 48% of the apron.


Q2: Will access to the apron be restricted?

A: The accurate answer to this is “on some areas, yes; but not on most areas”.
Areas will only be restricted from Pier 9 to Pier 11, and allowances will still be made there for special events as required. This will not be unlike the situation at the airport: there, for sound safety/security reasons, the public can observe the plane traffic through a fence and/ or from the viewing area within the terminal, but cannot walk out onto the tarmac;
Public access to the apron will remain from The Keg restaurant to the western side of Atlantic Place; this area comprises 52% of the apron;
Public access is also available at the Terry Fox Monument site and Harbourside Park.
Therefore, of all of the SJPA-managed property on the northside of the harbour, 57% is public access and 43% is restricted access. Even after the safety/security fence is in place, the Port of St. John’s will remain the most openly accessible Port Authority in Canada.


Q3: Why does the safety/security fence have to be built?
A: There are two reasons:

Safety – The SJPA is committed to providing a safe working environment. Piers 9, 10, and 11 are very active, working piers which see the full range of vessel supply and servicing; as well as hazardous works including welding, generator operations and similar mechanical activities. This industrial activity, and the vehicular traffic which it generates, results in a dangerous and high-risk environment for the safety of both pedestrians and workers. From an occupational health and safety viewpoint, as well as a risk management perspective, no similar commercial site in Canada would allow the intermingling of pedestrian traffic with industrial activity as now exists from Pier 9 to Pier 11.

Security – The SJPA has been directed by Transport Canada to adhere to all required security measures made pursuant to the Marine Transportation Security Regulations (MTSR) and the ISPS (International Ship and Port Facility Security) Code. Failure to do so means the de-certification of the SJPA-managed property as being ISPS compliant. This, in turn, would mean that all ISPS vessels, such as foreign-flagged ships, offshore supply vessels, cruise ships, tankers, and others would not be able to berth at SJPA-managed facilities – resulting in significant economic and employment losses to the City and Province.


Q4: If the Port has been ISPS compliant in the past, what is the issue now?

A: The Port of St. John’s is a dynamic, ever-changing harbour. In recent years, more and more vessel traffic has come to the Port and more again is expected in the coming years. Much of this traffic is comprised of ISPS compliant vessels which are allowed to berth only at ISPS compliant facilities.


Q5: What will the safety/security fence look like?

A: The SJPA has endeavoured to design a heritage style structure that will include local stone similar to that used to construct the Court House and the Basilica. Other enhancements include increased lighting along the Harbour Drive sidewalk as well as three seating/viewing areas. The design has received unanimous approval from the City of St. John’s on two separate occasions.

Q6: Why not use a temporary or portable fence?

A: While this has been satisfactory for the past number of years, Transport Canada has recently stated that the current chain-link fence is a security concern due to its temporary construction and temporary nature. It does not meet the requirements of the MTSR or the ISPS Code.


Q7: Given that the SJPA is a commercialized, financially self-sufficient Federal agency, why has the City been asked to cost-share this project?

A: It is good public policy to seek cost-sharing on projects with which the City and Port have a significant commonality of interest. Two of our city’s most prized assets would not exist were it not for the co-operation of the City and the Port, i.e. the Terry Fox monument site and Harbourside Park. Other joint efforts have included the widening of the narrows project and annual cruise marketing initiatives.


Q8: Why can’t the Port re-locate the industrial activity on the apron to the Southside of the Harbour?

A: The vast majority of the area on the Southside is private-sector owned. While the SJPA does control Piers 19, 20, and 21 towards the western portion of the Southside, this area is appropriately reserved for the fishing industry.
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Q2: Will access to the apron be restricted?

A: The accurate answer to this is “on some areas, yes; but not on most areas”.
Areas will only be restricted from Pier 9 to Pier 11, and allowances will still be made there for special events as required. This will not be unlike the situation at the airport: there, for sound safety/security reasons, the public can observe the plane traffic through a fence and/ or from the viewing area within the terminal, but cannot walk out onto the tarmac;
Public access to the apron will remain from The Keg restaurant to the western side of Atlantic Place; this area comprises 52% of the apron;
Public access is also available at the Terry Fox Monument site and Harbourside Park.
Therefore, of all of the SJPA-managed property on the northside of the harbour, 57% is public access and 43% is restricted access. Even after the safety/security fence is in place, the Port of St. John’s will remain the most openly accessible Port Authority in Canada.


Comparing this situation to that at the airport clearly demonstrates just how little the Port Authority understands (or wishes to understand) why residents are upset.

At least now they've openly stated that access to the portion of the harbour they wish to restrict is basically forbidden. You might get in there on New Year's Eve but it won't be left open as the current temporary fence is when the cruise ships aren't in port.

Also... percentages seem off and are kind of irrelevant. The Port Authority still wants to shut out access to the harbour from a majority of the downtown core.

And if that portion of the apron from the Keg to 351 (plus the scraps of Harbourside Park and the rest) is actually 57% of the harbourfront (which I'd doubt), then I fully support the Port Authority taking that even larger portion, fencing it off entirely, making it as inaccessible as the container ship area, and using that. Then they can leave it open from the Keg all the way Fortis and have everything east of there remain as is.

Problem solved.
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2012, 5:38 PM
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Here's the map .. the official one .. its not that bad bud .. seriously .. and happy city was way off



Edit: I shrunk it
I also posted this previously but it hink it got lost in the hilton mix

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Old Posted Dec 17, 2012, 5:43 PM
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ops its a bit big hehehehe
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^ One thing that monster picture reminded me of is all the wasted space around the Scotia Center.

One thing downtown really lacks is public space, or parks. The last time around when I lived and worked in downtown, I would always walk around Water or Duckworth at lunch and grab a snack from somewhere, or some Ziggy's and end up sitting on steps or a side walk to eat my lunch, and hated the lack of benches of tables for the public.

The Scotia Center would be a great place to spruce up with some picnic tables of benchs for the lunchtime crowd (well anytime crowd I guess).
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Just out of curiosity, anyone from here going to see Trudeau tonight? I think I might try to stop by.
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Just out of curiosity, anyone from here going to see Trudeau tonight? I think I might try to stop by.
I never knew he was here. Where is he speaking??
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look at this old pic 1994.. and the west end dt

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look at this old pic 1994.. and the west end dt

It's funny, that same picture could have very well have been from 2010. It's kind of sad that virtually nothing has happened downtown in the past 20 years. But I hope if you were to take another similar picture in 20 years, it would look MUCH different!!

This picture makes me realize just how unfortunate Fortis Place is. Look at that beautiful, lush green field that could have been turned into some kind of nice public park. Now it's just a jungle of concrete and crushed stone. Quite unfortunate, don't you think?
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It's funny, that same picture could have very well have been from 2010. It's kind of sad that virtually nothing has happened downtown in the past 20 years. But I hope if you were to take another similar picture in 20 years, it would look MUCH different!!

This picture makes me realize just how unfortunate Fortis Place is. Look at that beautiful, lush green field that could have been turned into some kind of nice public park. Now it's just a jungle of concrete and crushed stone. Quite unfortunate, don't you think?
This is sarcasm right? ahhahaha

Yeah I dont think many capital cities have multiple feilds in the middle of their DT

luckily we have elimiated ours
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Hahaha, yes

Although, that field next to Cabot Place II, where Mile One is now, looks like it would have been a really cool place to lounge around/have a picnic on a warm summer day. It kind or reminds me of the outside of Citadel Hill in Halifax. Oh well, even if I was old enough to remember 1994, I would still probably have been willing to let the field go to build Mile One.

I am really glad we're beginning to fill in all of our slums and random fields! But I do find it a little strange that there outside of Harbourside parkm there are no public parks/green spaces in the DT. I would hate to see fields in the west end go undeveloped, but I would like to see some sort of small DT park established somewhere in the middle in the future. (But 87.4% of the time I will choose development over green space!)
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omg I'm looking at some old stuff on the central slum that existed where cabot place and mile one etc are now and it's very interesting!



1950s








1980s




2012




it use to look like district 12 from the hunger games lol

District 12:
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I never knew he was here. Where is he speaking??
Sorry for the late response, I'm at work. There is a Meet and Greet at Swiler's Rugby Club from 5:00 to 7:00. I'm planning (hoping) to swing by between 6:00 and 6:30 and see what's up.
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Haha, it actually does look like district 12! It literally looks like a third world slum. Seniors today probably have a hard time coming to terms that that is now considered some of the most prime and expensive land in the city, haha. While there is nothing as bad as that nowadays, we still have some dirty, ugly, derelict homes between say the delta and the harbour. I hope to see them expropriated and flattened in the coming decade! (Or before!)

Those kind of things do not belong in a downtown and I look forward to the day that development finally catches up!

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O'Leary's motion to revisit the whole fence issue was turned down tonight. I guess that means the fence is a go? with the new map provided by Port Authority, I honestly don't have a problem with it.

I had to laugh at the CBC news story that said the council meeting ended in 'chaos' with people yelling at council. They then played a video clip and all four people in attendance raised their voices a little bit, and some of them even boo'd :O

So I guess the fence is a go.
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