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Old Posted Dec 6, 2012, 8:41 PM
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God dammit Signal, why'd you go and change your username. I will still call you Signal none the less

So I already miss St. John's, but I'm very glad to see a proposal for a 6-storey office building over by Fortis! I think it'll add to the area greatly, and make the area feel much more dense I'm happy with the height, I think it'll help give a little bookend effect over on the west end, and of course we all know there'll be future developments exceeding that height in the area eventually.

Also, I have confirmed that round-abouts are amazing little things. Build. More. NOW.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2012, 8:45 PM
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I look forward to the retaliation everyone

Oh god, those brick on my house? They probably would look better with some pink and peach stripes painted on them! Haha I would probably die right there on the spot!

Is it too late to email about the fence seeing how the meeting is already in session?

Edit: if the bricks were on my house, that means they would be off the TD building! Tanks' guys, you're so thoughtful
Decision won't be made until Monday, I thought?
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2012, 8:46 PM
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Decision won't be made until Monday, I thought?
Ohmy.. I'm retarded. I assumed this was monday, I don't know why xD

Sorry!

And we miss you too Marty! I hope you're enjoying your new job
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2012, 8:55 PM
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The job's nice, and the town is also nice. Devoid of any interesting developments like Fortis Place, but the downtown area is bustling with tiny little stores which make the area feel more metropolitan than it actually is.

Also....that awful fence along the harbour. I understand the need for security, but to completely cut off most of the harbourfront would be a huge mistake. What's Shannie's stance on this proposal anyway? There's no way councilors like her and O'Leary could approve a development like this?
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O'Leary is opposed. Is Duff still out of commission?
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I look forward to the retaliation everyone

Oh god, those brick on my house? They probably would look better with some pink and peach stripes painted on them! Haha I would probably die right there on the spot!

Is it too late to email about the fence seeing how the meeting is already in session?

Edit: if the bricks were on my house, that means they would be off the TD building! Tanks' guys, you're so thoughtful
I said the ones that were already taken off hahaha so you will see them on the top of TD building AND your house hahah
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Well played, Jeddy. well played!

Going back to the fence, I saw a story about it on CBC tonight. The port authority is a federal organization and they say the fence is going up regardless of what the city wants. The only authority the city has is deciding whether they want to share the cost or not. (which I seriously doubt they will want to!)

O'Leary was interviewed and I actually agree with her. She wanted to work with Port Authority to try and find a solution that would please everyone, while the port authority spokesman basically said there will be no negotiations, the fence is going up like it or lump it. I think this fence must have something to do with O'Leary's motion about the city controlling port authority (or something like that) a few weeks ago. I don't really remember what it was about.

It's a shame that we're blocking the harbour, but the extra security is necessary. I mean, If you're walking along the harbour, at most times there is nothing stopping you from jumping onto any boat you wish and stealing anything you desire. The security is necessary, I just wish there was a better solution than blocking the harbour (like FINGER PIERS!)

Oh well, the fence is going up whether we like it or not. I hope the city does not contribute a single cent to this
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The security is necessary, I just wish there was a better solution than blocking the harbour (like FINGER PIERS!)
Due to the shape of the harbour and layout of the DT I don't finger piers will work in St. John's harbour. I think the harbour is just too narrow.

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Oh well, the fence is going up whether we like it or not. I hope the city does not contribute a single cent to this
Hear, Hear.
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If that's the way the Port Authority wants to behave, I hope we don't contribute a single cent. And I hope the city retaliates in some way.
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If that's the way the Port Authority wants to behave, I hope we don't contribute a single cent. And I hope the city retaliates in some way.
I worry they'll make it uglier if we don't contribute
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We're all about retaliation today, aren't we Signal!
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I worry they'll make it uglier if we don't contribute
I had the exact same thought!
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They basically already threatened exactly that:

Hanrahan said the project will go ahead whether the city helps pay for it or not.

"We as a port authority will have a choice: go ahead and build the full thing ourselves to the full cost, or will we come up with another model, or will we simply carry on with the one that's there, which is chain-linked and very unattractive."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundla...ohns-harbourfront-fence-oleary-1206.html
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2012, 10:38 PM
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Someone posted this to Happy City St. John's.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2012, 2:30 AM
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Haha, So fitting! we'll go down and blast that on a loudspeaker when they are building the fence
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I think we are putting a lot of blame on council on this issue and it's not even their juisdiction .. as well it's already been voted on .. unanimously .. (again O'Leary has good intentions but doesn't understand the world around her hahah) .. she sould have brought this up ... like in the begining when she KNEW the plan haha oh that woman ..

but anyway I'ts actually not changing much .. I do agree I would MUCH rather a more creative solution .. however .. how do we do that? it's awesome to have the ideas but in the end it belongs to the port authority (and I'm pretty sure they are a federal entity) so I dunno b'ys might be an uphill battle that's already over

I support replacing the fence .. sad it's not a better solution .. and I wanna see street veiw renderings on how it will affect the public .. Too bad the plan to build a pedestrian area with shops above harbour drive (turning it into a tunnel) never happened .. oh well


Council at Odds over Harbour Fence

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St. John's Mayor Dennis O'Keefe is on the same side of the fence as the Port Authority. Yesterday, Sheilagh O'Leary said on Open Line with Randy Simms that the new fence proposed for the harbour front will bar people from the area, and she's planning to vote against it on Monday. However, Port Authority Chair Sean Hanrahan says council already voted on the fence in August, and it was agreed upon unanimously. He also says the fence, which will replace the wire fence that's already there, has been ordered by Transport Canada. O'Keefe agrees. He says without the fence, the port could be shut down. And if it is shut down, the city would have a lot to lose.
O'Keefe says Ports 9 ,10, and 11 will be restricted, but they are already under some restrictions, so not much is changing. He says that the harbour front isn't even under the city's jurisdiction, so the Port Authority has the right to do whatever they want with the property.
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see guys it's more complicated than the media frenzy likes to make out ... and I dunno if it is as horrible as we are making it out to be


Port needs to be secure, says CEO

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The St. John’s Port Authority is not on the fence when it comes to building a security structure on the harbourfront — it either abides by security standards or it shuts down a $250-million industry, says its CEO.“Since Sept. 11, 2001 there’s been a more restricted security regime in place, one we have always tried to maintain, but at the same time afford as much public access to the harbour as we can. That’s not always possible, and we’ve gone as far as we can with that,” said Sean Hanrahan, the authority’s president.
“The vessels that visit our port demand certain security and Transport Canada demands certain security levels, so we’ve got to meet a standard or we shut down the port of St. John’s,” he said Thursday in response to a news release by Happy City St. John’s, a non-profit organization which advocates for public dialogue on civic issues.
“Now shutting down the port of St. John’s, having vessel traffic go elsewhere, would mean the loss of a quarter of a billion dollars and the loss of close to 3,000 jobs,” Hanrahan said.
He said what the authority decided to do was meet the standard by having controlled access to 60 per cent of the wharf, leaving 40 per cent with public access, by building a fence along the harbour apron.
He said even in the controlled-access area, special events will be welcome, with security measures put in place.
Happy City suggests the city made a mistake in not holding a public consultation on the matter. The news release said the City of
St. John’s is due to hold another vote at Monday’s council meeting on the proposal.
“We’d like to see them defer the vote and then call a public meeting around (the fence) to explain the details to the people who are interested, and also ask what our thoughts are,” said Dave Lane, chairman of Happy City St. John’s, who spoke with The Telegram Thursday afternoon.
However, Mayor Dennis O’Keefe said there is no such vote happening on the matter, noting that council gave unanimous approval to the proposal for the fence in August.“The decision has been made — end of story,” said the mayor. “There’s nothing coming to council on Monday.”Hanrahan said the concerns raised by Happy City seem to be about engagement, but the authority met with the city three times since June, with the latest meeting being held Tuesday. City representatives gave their unanimous support for the project each time.
“We couldn’t discuss the matter with 120,000 people, so what we did was discuss it with their representatives and we did it on three separate occasions, and this is crucial, in my view, in terms of engagement. We didn’t do it once or twice, we did it three times. … If you read Happy City’s release it seems to say we allegedly hid under a rock, but that’s not the case.”
The fence will cost about $900,000, with the city’s portion being capped at $425,000. Hanrahan said if it costs any more than that the authority will pay the balance.
The fence will be erected on the waterfront on Harbour Drive near the parking garage over to the Royal Trust Building. The open-access area will be from the Keg Restaurant to the edge of Atlantic Place.While Lane said the city has generally done a great job of “opening up” and engaging the public on development matters, a decision such as the one concerning the harbour fence requires “explicit engagement” from residents.
During the last two years, Lane said, Happy City St. John’s has consulted with many residents about their vision for the city and how they would like to see it grow.
“The harbour comes up a lot,” he said. “The harbourfront is an important part of our city.”
He said the decision to create a fence concerns a lot of residents, particularly given the fact public access to much of the harbour will be restricted as a result of its erection.
“We think that if the city engaged a bit more openly on this issue, they could make a better decision,” said Lane. “People really value having direct access to the water in that way. A lot of people will stroll down with their families or their children.”
Given the area is under the jurisdiction of the port authority, O’Keefe said, it could have elected to build whatever it wanted, but showed good faith in approaching the city on the matter.
“They could put whatever they wanted there, but being the good citizen that they are, they approached the city to tear down the dirty-looking chain-link fence that currently exists and put up a heritage-style colonial fence with viewing areas, and of course their intent was to enhance and beautify the downtown, which this fence will do.”
Hanrahan said residents have to realize there are two more wide-open publicly accessible spaces at Harbourside Park and the Terry Fox Monument site.
“So when you put those in the mix we’re about 50 per cent open and 50 per cent access controlled. So we think that’s prudent. The Marginal Wharf is a working harbour and this is not dissimilar from the airport, where you can go in and watch the planes through the viewing area, but you can’t walk on the tarmac. So that’s the parallel, in our view,” said Hanrahan.
O’Keefe said it is erroneous to suggest the new fence will deny people access to the harbour.
“For anybody to say that is totally incorrect and totally irresponsible,” said the mayor.
http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/20...15/Port-needs-to-be-secure%2C-says-CEO/1


I think we need to highlight O'leary's hypocrtic ways .. it was voted on UNANIMOUSLY that means she voted for it too! and why didn't she bring this up in the meetings?? only now when it's all said and done she kicks up a stink and the mayor even says that there will not be a vote on monday that it's already voted for .. so what's she getting on with ??

O'leary as mayor = freakin SCARY!
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Everyone still in bed? hahaha
maybe it's just me up and on the rant this morning hahahaha
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It's not that people are saying they won't be able to get to the harbour, it's that they're uncomfortable with the percentage of it that will now be restricted, pretty much all the way from Murray Premises to Harbourside Park will be completely, 100%, no exceptions ever off-limits according to Happy City's map.

Two little slivers on either side of that stretch will have limited (for example, off-season) access.
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