Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 510

Millennium2002 · #**10181** Posted **Nov 18, 2012, 7:36 PM**

Well... seems like I'm going to have to coordinate my schedule better with transit if this happens... I'm right in the area that would be affected by the 22 service cuts in the AM peak. lol.

Besides that, a lot of the changes do seem to make sense... especially the ones on simplifying routing and such. The service and route cuts, on the other hand... I'll leave those up for debate.

Langdon0630 · #**10182** Posted **Nov 18, 2012, 8:36 PM**

I wonder why C23 doesn't terminate at VCC-Clark? Why Glen Drive? I Know service to VCC-Clark will increase a lot of service hours, but a SkyTrain station will definitely bring more people than Home Depot.

Millennium2002 · #**10183** Posted **Nov 18, 2012, 9:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Langdon0630

I wonder why C23 doesn't terminate at VCC-Clark? Why Glen Drive? I Know service to VCC-Clark will increase a lot of service hours, but a SkyTrain station will definitely bring more people than Home Depot.

Actually, that's not too bad of an idea... there's nothing stopping the shuttle from doing turns on Clark Drive at First Ave and Great Northern Way.

Perhaps a more fanatical idea would be to bring it to Commercial-Broadway Station via First Ave, Victoria, 10th, Commercial, Broadway and return.

Robert in Calgary · #**10184** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 3:11 AM**

A preview ride on Calgary's West LRT.

West LRT has a bit of everything – featuring a minimal number of level crossings, it’s elevated, underground and open trench.

http://youtu.be/jGhOd6SMp4M

Klazu · #**10185** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 5:47 AM**

That's one LRT line properly built! And those stations are looong! I wonder how much it cost to build?

nname · #**10186** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 5:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Klazu

That's one LRT line properly built! And those stations are looong! I wonder how much it cost to build?

1.46 billions.

mr.x · #**10187** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 5:58 AM**

^ Impressive, although driven LRT systems naturally do need long platforms. Whereas, here in Vancouver, whoever rubber stamped the idea of 40-metre platforms for the Canada Line...yes, it's automated, but still......

Metro-One · #**10188** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 6:07 AM**

I will still take the Canada Line over Calgary's new LRT. This is a nice addition to the C-Train though. I am just too big a fan of grade separation and automation though.

go_leafs_go02 · #**10189** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 6:17 AM**

http://www.surreyleader.com/news/180403781.html

News article on the fact the Port Mann Rapid Bus does not have a Surrey stop on launch day...

mr.x · #**10190** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 6:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

I will still take the Canada Line over Calgary's new LRT. This is a nice addition to the C-Train though. I am just too big a fan of grade separation and automation though.

Side note, the trench part of the Calgary C-Train video is basically what the Bombardier bid had proposed for the Canada Line along the Cambie section where there was a median.

Metro-One · #**10191** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 6:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

http://www.surreyleader.com/news/180403781.html

News article on the fact the Port Mann Rapid Bus does not have a Surrey stop on launch day...

The comments are the funniest, they are all blaming Translink when the article itself states that it was the provinces responsibility to build the exchange at 156 (but didn't) and that it was tied to some private project that never happened. It is only Translink's responsibility to operate the buses. i just find it funny, everyone goes for the quick an easy scape goat.

nname · #**10192** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 6:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

http://www.surreyleader.com/news/180403781.html

News article on the fact the Port Mann Rapid Bus does not have a Surrey stop on launch day...

Long story short -

Province: We put that on the map but never budget for it, as we expect TransLink to pick up the slack. So its their fault, not us.
TransLink: We tried to clean up province's mess, but we cannot make an agreement with a developer to fund the project.
Developer: Blame the economy, not us.
TransLink: We've already talked to the municipalities about this so they should already know.
Surrey: I've never heard of it.
Langley: I know this for quite some time, but I'm too afraid to tell Surrey as they may drop their support if they know beforehand.
Surrey: Can we put a temporary stop?
TransLink: We can't. Its province's fault for building the off-ramp too narrow.
Langley: Sorry about it, we'll see if a stop can be added later.
Surrey: ......

go_leafs_go02 · #**10193** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 6:47 AM**

As a note, the 509 between Surrey Central and Langley Centre will run pretty much non-stop between Surrey Central and Carvolth, and will use the ramps from Highway 1 to 156 Street where it will connect onto 104 Avenue.

nname · #**10194** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 7:07 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

The comments are the funniest, they are all blaming Translink when the article itself states that it was the provinces responsibility to build the exchange at 156 (but didn't) and that it was tied to some private project that never happened. It is only Translink's responsibility to operate the buses. i just find it funny, everyone goes for the quick an easy scape goat.

Isn't it always like that?

No matter what they or other people do, its always their fault!

mr.x · #**10195** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 7:12 AM**

Adorable yet morbid PSA animated music video by the Melbourne Metro on train safety, called "Dumb Ways To Die."

• Video Link

It's incredibly well done...Translink would never be able to afford to do something like this lol, not that we'd need one. Melbourne has one of the world's largest LRT networks.

Metro-One · #**10196** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 7:18 AM**

Also you know how much Aussies like a thrill...

twoNeurons · #**10197** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 7:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

But the problem is still... what about the people who want to go from Coquitlam Station to the United Blvd area? They didn't even mention this in the trade-off section...

And if you look at the document, the hours for 159 stay essentially the same, the "more frequent" is actually just 1 more bus in the evening hours to match the 177 frequency.

Really? It looked like it started 1 hours earlier (5am) good for warehouse shifts in the United Blvd. area that start at 6am. And it runs later as well. Maybe I read that wrong.

I agree that it's a pretty big decrease in service. I don't know what the timings will be like, but would a faster bus directly down Lougheed to Braid and a transfer to the rerouted #159 take significantly more time?

I know it will be longer and a 1-seat ride will be lost, mind you.

I wonder what the ridership is like from Coquitlam to the United Blvd. area?

Actually, when the Evergreen line opens up, it won't even help that much... as you'll still have to transfer at Lougheed and at Braid... kind of a hassle.

Hmmmm...

twoNeurons · #**10198** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 7:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by nname

1.46 billions.

I assume that's not for just the 6 stops in the video is it? We always hear about how "cheap" LRT is... but that's not a great deal less expensive than the Canada Line.

As for the trench, as a rider I LIKE IT much more than a tunnel!

nname · #**10199** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 8:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

Really? It looked like it started 1 hours earlier (5am) good for warehouse shifts in the United Blvd. area that start at 6am. And it runs later as well. Maybe I read that wrong.

I agree that it's a pretty big decrease in service. I don't know what the timings will be like, but would a faster bus directly down Lougheed to Braid and a transfer to the rerouted #159 take significantly more time?

Comparison of peak hour trip time from Coquitlam Station to Planet Ice:

Currently with 177: 17 minutes
Est. time via Port Coquitlam (160->159): 51 minutes (13 minutes same-stop transfer)
Est. time via Maillardville (169->177): 46 minutes (15 minutes cross-street transfer)
Est. time via 152 and walk 2.2km: 40 minutes

Even if they adjust the transfer to make it as tight as possible, the quickest alternative is still about double the current trip time and maybe only 5 minutes faster than the walking option.

And then there are other trips like Coquitlam Stn - Boulevard Casino, or Mary Hill - Silver City (Schoolhouse) that face similar increase in travel time like this.

I did talk to the planners during the open house today about this, and it does make me feel like they've overlooked this connectivity issue. How they came up with the change is something similar to..
Lougheed (159) - low demand
United (177) - high demand
Riverview (177) - low demand
Mary Hill (159) - high demand

And the decision would be dropping both low demand portions, connect the two high demand portions together, and inadvertently created this ~8km long transit barrier on Hwy 1/Coquitlam River between Dewdney Trunk Road and King Edward St. Now that I mentioned it, seems like I got at least one planner thinking about this...

I don't know, maybe I'm just worried too much, as these changes would not affect my commute. But I just can't imagine there's no one work at the United Blvd area and live in Coquitlam while there is high demand from SkyTrain (other regions). Anyways, at leave I've done my part, so lets see what they come up with...

PS. The additional stop for 169 mentioned would be at Colony Farm.

nname · #**10200** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 9:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by twoNeurons

I assume that's not for just the 6 stops in the video is it? We always hear about how "cheap" LRT is... but that's not a great deal less expensive than the Canada Line.

As for the trench, as a rider I LIKE IT much more than a tunnel!

For the entire 8km line and all construction work associated with them.