Stadiums and Arenas of Canada - Page 69

craner · #**1361** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 12:43 AM**

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Halifax's new mayor has said that he wants the city to commit to a stadium plan sometime during his four year term: http://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/savage-leads-charge-for-new-stadium-in-halifax-1.1032263project.

Gawd I so hope this leads to something for Halifax and the CFL (crossing fingers).

isaidso · #**1362** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 5:27 AM**

Would be great if we can get 3 new teams in the East by 2020: Ottawa, Quebec City, and Halifax.

Nathan · #**1363** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 5:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Would be great if we can get 3 new teams in the East by 2020: Ottawa, Quebec City, and Halifax.

If the new media contract is lucrative enough to provide a small profit - or break-even at the very least - it could actually be a possibility. Would almost force even reluctant media outfits/media personalities to start covering/respecting it more as well.

And for once, the East could be the division with more teams... ah dare to dream.

isaidso · #**1364** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 10:10 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nathan

If the new media contract is lucrative enough to provide a small profit - or break-even at the very least - it could actually be a possibility. Would almost force even reluctant media outfits/media personalities to start covering/respecting it more as well.

And for once, the East could be the division with more teams... ah dare to dream.

If the CFL is successful in attracting new fans to the league, the league must expand the number of teams if they want to hold on to those gains. The criticism of too few teams and playing the same team 3-4 times/season is a valid one. It's far too repetitive.

These complaints won't fade away till the CFL gets to at least 14 teams. Short term, lets get to 11 by 2020.

Chadillaccc · #**1365** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 11:48 AM**

I'd also like to see Victoria with a team, Windsor would be cool too as I see it as probably the most removed South Ontarian city, which would create an interesting rivalry paradigm... though I don't know if the CFL would really gain much traction there as Windsor is so closely knit with Detroit.

By 2030 or 2040 I could even see Lethbridge get a team, as by then, the metro area will be between 150 000 and 200 000 people.

eemy · #**1366** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 12:07 PM**

Apparently the Ti-Cats will be playing at the University of Guelph's stadium during the reconstruction of Ivor Wynne Stadium. Maybe the CFL base will get stronger in the tri-cities area and they would consider expanding there. The market itself is probably just a bit smaller than Winnipeg, Hamilton, or Quebec City.

Dr Awesomesauce · #**1367** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 1:02 PM**

There have been very, VERY faint rumblings out of London over the years that they might be interested in a team. God knows they love football.

It's interesting to note that McMaster refused to allow the Cats to play there next year. Lots of politicking going on in the Hammer what with the Kitty Cats pissing everybody off and all.

Nathan · #**1368** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 3:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

If the CFL is successful in attracting new fans to the league, the league must expand the number of teams if they want to hold on to those gains. The criticism of too few teams and playing the same team 3-4 times/season is a valid one. It's far too repetitive.

These complaints won't fade away till the CFL gets to at least 14 teams. Short term, lets get to 11 by 2020.

The league can't force cities to built stadiums, nor can it just pull an ownership group out of a hat. 11 by 2020 might be a bit too optimistic though. Considering how long it can sometimes take to get stadium plans off the ground and such (Ottawa, Regina, Hamilton, etc) 2025 might be more realistic, assuming proper owners can be found. We already need an ownership group right now (for one of Braley's 2 teams). He's had some offers, but he's making sure that the owners would be in it for the good of the league and not just to try and make a quick buck (which is what destroyed Ottawa's team twice already).

FrankieFlowerpot · #**1369** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 5:07 PM**

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/20/construction-begins-on-45m-toronto-pan-am-stadium/

go_leafs_go02 · #**1370** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 5:46 PM**

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There have been very, VERY faint rumblings out of London over the years that they might be interested in a team. God knows they love football.

It's interesting to note that McMaster refused to allow the Cats to play there next year. Lots of politicking going on in the Hammer what with the Kitty Cats pissing everybody off and all.

London & Southwestern Ontario is as far from a CFL town as I know. There is NO interest in the CFL there. Growing up there, and moving out here, I was still watching the NFL head to head against the West Final last Sunday.

Prometheus · #**1371** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 6:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

London & Southwestern Ontario is as far from a CFL town as I know. There is NO interest in the CFL there. Growing up there, and moving out here, I was still watching the NFL head to head against the West Final last Sunday.

I always find it hilarious when people say foolish things like this.

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100TH GREY CUP PLAYOFFS SCORE HIGH AUDIENCES ON TSN, RDS

TSN STAFF
11/19/2012 5:52:02 PM

The 100th Grey Cup Playoffs continued Sunday with huge audiences for TSN and RDS.

Overnight data from BBM Canada confirms that the Western Final with Calgary at B.C. was watched by an average audience of 2 million viewers on TSN and RDS (1.9 million on TSN; 105,000 on RDS). On TSN, this marked a 3% increase compared to last year. Audience levels peaked at 2.9 million on TSN late in the fourth quarter of the game as the Stampeders held on to defeat the defending Grey Cup champions at BC Place.

Earlier in the afternoon, the Eastern Final, featuring Toronto at Montreal, attracted an average audience of 1.9 million on TSN and RDS (1.43 million on TSN; 466,000 on RDS). On TSN, the Eastern Final was up 15% compared to last year. Audience levels peaked at 2.7 million viewers on TSN as the Alouettes set up their last play of the game.

Overall, more than 8.6 million Canadians watched some part of the 100th Grey Cup Playoffs on TSN and RDS Sunday.

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=409870

The CFL ratings absolutely crushed the NFL ratings by about a factor of four. Nope, NO interest in the CFL there.

Acajack · #**1372** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 6:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

I always find it hilarious when people say foolish things like this.

Nope, NO interest there.

Source: http://www.tsn.ca/cfl/story/?id=409870

I am not necessarily of the view that there is zero interest in the CFL in London and SW Ontario, but that said this article doesn't say anything about ratings in that region. It refers to national ratings only.

Prometheus · #**1373** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

I am not necessarily of the view that there is zero interest in the CFL in London and SW Ontario, but that said this article doesn't say anything about ratings in that region. It refers to national ratings only.

But it does break down the RDS ratings (Quebecois viewers: 466,000) versus the TSN ratings (non-Quebecois viewers: 1.43 million). And common sense tells you that the plurality of the 1.43 million non-Quebecois viewers of the Eastern Final (Montreal v. Toronto) likely came from Toronto's fanbase (i.e., Southwestern Ontario).

Even if less than half of the 1.43 million non-Quebecois viewers came from Toronto's fanbase (let's say 670,000), that's still 220,000 more viewers than what the NFL typically draws across the entire country (450,000) on TSN for Sunday Night Football. It's also 420,000 more viewers than what the NBA's Toronto Raptors typically draw across the entire country (150,000) on TSN.

In other words, nothing in Southwestern Ontario is more popular than the CFL right now.

go_leafs_go02 · #**1374** Posted **Nov 21, 2012, 8:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

I always find it hilarious when people say foolish things like this.

The CFL ratings absolutely crushed the NFL ratings by about a factor of four. Nope, NO interest in the CFL there.

Like the poster said, I'm sure plenty of people gearing up for the West Final decided to catch the Eastern final.

I grew up in London. I never talked CFL with anyone there, it was the Leafs, the Knights, the Jays, and even the NFL from time to time (Bills or Lions).

Maybe it was my limited experience, but I've rarely heard someone mention that the CFL should ever put a franchise in London, which btw, has a much large metro population than Halifax does, same goes to Moncton.

And the ratings give no indication to where the viewership is. I'm not talking to the GTA/Toronto, but Southwestern Ontario.

Berklon · #**1375** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 12:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02

Like the poster said, I'm sure plenty of people gearing up for the West Final decided to catch the Eastern final.

I grew up in London. I never talked CFL with anyone there, it was the Leafs, the Knights, the Jays, and even the NFL from time to time (Bills or Lions).

Maybe it was my limited experience, but I've rarely heard someone mention that the CFL should ever put a franchise in London, which btw, has a much large metro population than Halifax does, same goes to Moncton.

And the ratings give no indication to where the viewership is. I'm not talking to the GTA/Toronto, but Southwestern Ontario.

I've worked in Toronto for around 18 years at 3 different companies and meet with a lot of people - and I can't remember hearing anyone talk about the CFL ever. No-one talks about the games from over the weekend or any trades that were made. The Grey Cup never gets discussed and I've never heard about a Grey Cup party. And there certainly aren't any CFL pools going on.

The NFL is a different matter. Lots of chatter about the weekends games, countless numbers of NFL pools and MANY plan Superbowl parties. When I wasn't watching the NFL at all, I would still have a good idea of what was happening in that league just from the chatter going on at the office.

VANRIDERFAN · #**1376** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

I've worked in Toronto for around 18 years at 3 different companies and meet with a lot of people - and I can't remember hearing anyone talk about the CFL ever. No-one talks about the games from over the weekend or any trades that were made. The Grey Cup never gets discussed and I've never heard about a Grey Cup party. And there certainly aren't any CFL pools going on.

The NFL is a different matter. Lots of chatter about the weekends games, countless numbers of NFL pools and MANY plan Superbowl parties. When I wasn't watching the NFL at all, I would still have a good idea of what was happening in that league just from the chatter going on at the office.

That is so sad that you and your co-workers are so blind to something that is truly Canadian. Don't mean to say that you have to watch the CFL, but don't just dismiss it out of hand.

Take a look at this link (can't seem to get the video to embed.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRA-TIBmkEY

Prometheus · #**1377** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 5:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by Berklon

I've worked in Toronto for around 18 years at 3 different companies and meet with a lot of people - and I can't remember hearing anyone talk about the CFL ever. No-one talks about the games from over the weekend or any trades that were made. The Grey Cup never gets discussed and I've never heard about a Grey Cup party. And there certainly aren't any CFL pools going on.

The NFL is a different matter. Lots of chatter about the weekends games, countless numbers of NFL pools and MANY plan Superbowl parties. When I wasn't watching the NFL at all, I would still have a good idea of what was happening in that league just from the chatter going on at the office.

And yet the hard, cold numbers don't lie. But I guess you will tell us that the millions of people who watch the Toronto Argos on TSN come from everywhere except Toronto. And that the sold out Grey Cup, which will be packed with people wearing double blue this Sunday, must be an illusion.

When was the last time Rogers Centre was sold out? It certainly wasn't when the Buffalo Bills were in town, despite Rogers giving thousands of tickets away and their home fans being just across the lake.

AuxTown · #**1378** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 5:05 AM**

Or this, my all-time favourite touchdown celebration fail.

Just to summarize: terrible dance, spike the ball, hit self in groin, stumble, get owned by opposing player, guy sits on your face, AMAZING!!!! I lol every time I see this.

• Video Link

Prometheus · #**1379** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 5:26 AM**

That one always cracks me up too. I love it! It's just too funny.

isaidso · #**1380** Posted **Nov 22, 2012, 7:08 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nathan

The league can't force cities to built stadiums, nor can it just pull an ownership group out of a hat. 11 by 2020 might be a bit too optimistic though. Considering how long it can sometimes take to get stadium plans off the ground and such (Ottawa, Regina, Hamilton, etc) 2025 might be more realistic, assuming proper owners can be found. We already need an ownership group right now (for one of Braley's 2 teams). He's had some offers, but he's making sure that the owners would be in it for the good of the league and not just to try and make a quick buck (which is what destroyed Ottawa's team twice already).

Cohen has showed exceptional patience and a carefully calculated approach to building the league. I highly doubt adding more teams would be any different; he's even stated so.

That said, Ottawa's stadium will break ground soon while Halifax's mayor is on record as saying that the ball will start rolling on a stadium during his present term. So we have Ottawa in 2014 and a strong possibility of a Halifax stadium a few years later. A solid ownership group would have to come forward, but I'd be surprised if one didn't surface in Halifax. Quebec City is a longer term goal due to the opposition to the CFL by the Laval Rouge et Or.

Adding all 3 cities over the next 8 years isn't as far fetched as many think.