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Millcreek has a low density because a large proportion of the land within its boundaries are MOUNTAINS and therefore less developable. I grew up as far east as you can live (besides in the canyon) which is right up against 1-215!!!!

     
     
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I noticed this on the City Council Agenda for tomorrow night, thought it may interest people:

5. G, G & D Woodruff LLC Housing Trust Fund Loan Written Briefing Only
The Council will receive a written briefing regarding a request by G, G & D Woodruff LLC for a $500,000 Housing Trust Fund Loan at 3% simple interest per annum. The 30-year loan would be used to construct the Brunswick Place Apartment Building at 245 South 200 East. The seven-story project would consist of 132 residential units – 127 of which would be affordable rental housing units for residents who earn 75 percent or less of the City’s area median income.
I think that these apartments were discussed on here before but i don't remember when. Does anybody have renderings?
     
     
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Utah hotels and motels see higher room rates, occupancy

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55132405-79/percent-rate-september-compared.html.csp

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In Salt Lake City the occupancy rate ticked up slightly, rising to 74.6 percent compared with 74.3 percent in September 2011. Hotel and motel operators saw the average daily room rate for the month jump to $97.80 compared with $92.40 last year, while revenue per available room increased from $68.65 last year to $72.95 this past September.
What is sad is that this shows we can handle another large hotel easily. The national average is 70% occupancy means build another hotel. We are nearing 75% now. We can easily handle both new hotels south of ESA as well as a 1000 room Convention Hotel without dropping more than 8% to 10% Occupancy.

The increase in rooms will increase conventions, which will increase occupancy further.
     
     
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Utah hotels and motels see higher room rates, occupancy

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/55132405-79/percent-rate-september-compared.html.csp



What is sad is that this shows we can handle another large hotel easily. The national average is 70% occupancy means build another hotel. We are nearing 75% now. We can easily handle both new hotels south of ESA as well as a 1000 room Convention Hotel without dropping more than 8% to 10% Occupancy.

The increase in rooms will increase conventions, which will increase occupancy further.

.....And yet developers and hotel companies seems to like to take their sweet ass time.
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.....And yet developers and hotel companies seems to like to take their sweet ass time.
It's the parking and convention space funding that is holding the issue up. The county wants to control both as part of the Salt Palace and the hotel companies don't want to pay for it, if that is going to be the case.

There is a study currently being done, funded by SLC and SL County exploring the funding options.

The SL Chamber estimates a occupancy rate decrease of 1-2% initially and daily room rate declines of $4-5, and that was based on a 70% occupancy.


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The County Council had a meeting at 10 this morning to discuss the convention business.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55109720-78/view-council-agenda-oct.html.csp?page=2

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Salt Lake County Council • Will hear a presentation on the county’s flood control needs at its 1 p.m. workshop in Room 2003 of the North Building, County Government Center, 2001 S. State. The council’s official meeting is at 4 p.m. in the first floor council chambers. A committee studying the convention business in Salt Lake County will meet in Room 2003 at 10 a.m.
Hopefully they were looking at the outcome from the Outdoor Retailer survey that stated that more rooms and more convention space are needed.

I just wish that they would understand that by not acting, they are hurting the convention business and that only through actions will it get better.
     
     
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Salt Lake City creates historic district process

Yalecrest - Coldwellbanker.com

New rules » Residents can vote to create two types of districts to set criteria for remodeling and demolition.

By Christopher Smart, The Salt Lake Tribune

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55137351-78/district-historic-residents-vote.html.csp

...The Salt Lake City Council vote 5-1 Tuesday evening to allow residents to create local historic districts. Councilman Luke Garrot was the lone dissenting vote.

According to the new ordinances championed by Councilman Charlie Luke, who represents the Yalecrest neighborhood, 15 percent of households in a defined area could launch the creation of either a historic district or a character conservation district.

A historic district’s guidelines has strict criteria for remodeling or demolition. Citizens would make up their own guidelines in a character conversation district...


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15 percent of households in a defined area could launch the creation of either a historic district or a character conservation district.

In both cases, the City Council would send ballots to residents. A majority would determine whether the new district would be formed.
I am confused. The article mentions 15% twice, and then mentions a majority. So are we talking 15% or 50.01%? JMHO 15% is tiny. I am used to Idaho where the government requires 60% for anything.
     
     
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I am confused. The article mentions 15% twice, and then mentions a majority. So are we talking 15% or 50.01%? JMHO 15% is tiny. I am used to Idaho where the government requires 60% for anything.
I think they mean 15% are required to start the process, but 50% are required to actually create a historic district.
     
     
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Hey does anybody have the graph from a while back that compares Salt Lake blocks to those of other cities? I could use it in a conversation with my Dad. Thanks in advance

And I'm all about the ability of SLC residents to create local historic districts.
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I think they mean 15% are required to start the process, but 50% are required to actually create a historic district.
Thanks. I think my confusion was over the politician's quotes in the article. I should know better than focusing on their quotes instead of the article as a whole. Oh well.
     
     
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article from the Enterprise newspaper regarding the convention hotel dilemma

GOED board members uneasy about public funding for SLC hotel
A report commissioned by Salt Lake City and Salt Lake County will assess a preliminary financing model for a hotel near the Salt Palace (pictured) with 800 to 1,000 rooms to attract larger conventions. Photo by Adam Barker, courtesy of Visit Salt Lake.


By Brice Wallace

The Enterprise

A consultant’s financial analysis about a possible convention center hotel in Salt Lake City is pending, but two members of the Governor’s Office of Economic Development (GOED) board recently expressed trepidation about having a large amount of public involvement in any such project.

Salt Lake County and Salt Lake City are spending $50,000 for a report from Strategic Advisory Group about having a hotel of 800 to 1,000 rooms adjoining or within a block of the Salt Palace as a way of attracting larger conventions to the city.

During a discussion of the matter at the board’s October meeting, members Jake Boyer and Brent Brown expressed concern about public money being used to construct the hotel. Boyer, whose development company owns the Hyatt Place Hotel, said he could favor public funding but only to the same extent as other downtown projects that have been publicly financed.

“The difficulty is this is a $300 million hotel and they’re looking for a $100 million check from the public, so [it’s] a third of the cost for this hotel to work,” Boyer said. “It seems like that’s not a level playing field.”

He said room rates and occupancy would suffer for area hotels on nights when conventions are not in town. “It’s a simple supply-demand equation,” he said. “If you flood the market with a thousand rooms, all the other hotels throughout the market have to adjust [their] rate. … We’re concerned about what it might do to occupancy in the downtown, especially with those [hotel development companies] that have invested their own private dollars.”

Brown, a car dealership owner, likened the project to Salt Lake City saying it would become the car-buying capital of the western U.S. and the government would build a dealership four to five times bigger than others in the state. “I would really struggle with that concept,” he said.

Brown added that he wants to see more-concrete evidence about how much additional convention business would come to Salt Lake City if the hotel were built. “So far, what I’ve heard sounds almost like ‘if you build it, they will come.’ That works in a Hollywood movie but not always in reality,” he said.

GOED’s executive director, Spencer Eccles, acknowledged that the hotel matter is “an emotionally charged” issue, especially regarding the role of government and that role’s possible ramifications on the private sector. He urged caution, saying the consultant’s report will determine the next steps of the process.

Leaders of the Salt Lake Chamber have said a convention hotel would generate more local and state taxes from out-of-state delegates and bring more business to Utah restaurants, entertainment venues, transportation companies and retail stores, and ultimately result in guests spilling over to other hotels. However, those leaders oppose using government credit or local tax dollars to finance the hotel’s construction. They support a convention center hotel with financing that is privately led, and with the hotel being devoted to a public purpose consistent with financing used for other significant privately led projects in Salt Lake. The chamber also opposes using transient room taxes to help finance the hotel.

“Pretty much all the studies say that a hotel like this would be successful,” Jason Mathis, executive vice president of the Salt Lake Chamber and executive director of the Downtown Alliance, told the GOED board. “There has never been a study that said this would not bring more conventions to our community and it would be a net positive for our community.”

Salt Lake County has about 17,000 hotel rooms, with downtown accounting for 4,000 to 7,000 of that total, depending on how “downtown” is defined.

Mathis said one study indicated that a convention hotel would cause existing hotels to experience occupancy rates decreases of 1 to 2 percent and daily room rate declines of $4 to $5, but those dips would last only a couple of years before rising. Currently average occupancy is nearly 70 percent, he said.

About two dozen cities have convention “anchor” hotels, with various financing mechanisms, he said. One was built in Baltimore completely with public money but drew the wrath of area hoteliers when it lowered its rates during the recession and the other hotels had to do the same in order to compete. A nonprofit organization built one in Denver, but hoteliers there like it because it helped meet an established need for more rooms.

Mathis said four private entities are interested in developing the Salt Lake City hotel but added that the chamber insists that the hotel be managed by a national hotel brand that would allow Visit Salt Lake to book its rooms two years out.

He suggested that the GOED board could issue a statement on the matter or at least be involved in and learn more about the process. “We think this project has legs,” Mathis said. “We think it has merit, but we want to be really thoughtful and careful how we proceed.”

The hotel is perceived as a way for Salt Lake City to retain the twice-a-year Outdoor Retailer trade show. Mathis said the facility would allow the city to compete against San Antonio, Seattle and Denver for larger conventions, rather than against Albuquerque and Boise, with the area gaining $90 million in direct convention spending.

“Right now, we’ve got a great convention center [but] it sits empty half the time because we don’t have enough convention-quality rooms adjacent to it to keep it full,” Mathis said.

Meeting planners hail Salt Lake City’s attributes but would prefer having convention attendees booked at three to five hotels rather than having to negotiate contracts with 20 and having to arrange transportation to and from the Salt Palace, he said.

“The size of the hotels that we have in Salt Lake right now aren’t really big enough to host the size of the conventions that make it worth the while of commission-based salespeople at a national level working to book business,” Mathis said. “So if they have a chance to bring in somebody to the San Francisco Marriott and the Salt Lake Marriott, they’re always going to look at projects that will go to the San Francisco Marriott because it’s four times larger and their commission will be four times greater.”

Mathis described Salt Lake City as “well equipped” and with a convention industry “ready to explode.”

“You think about the proximity to the mountains, the beauty of this community, what we’re doing right now with ‘Downtown Rising,’ with City Creek Center, with the Gateway, all the things happening in our community, and great access and an airport that’s going to have a TRAX line going to it that will open up in the spring, we’re really poised for success and we really do feel that this project is the next thing that will really take us to the next level.”

GOED board chairman Mel Lavitt expressed frustration about the matter, which has been studied for several years.

“I think probably everyone in this room can agree that the long-term effects if we have the right rooms and the right convention center, we will do more business,” Lavitt said. “The problem is to get across that chasm to get there. This thing has been going on so long. I don’t understand why this wasn’t settled three or four years ago ….”

Read more: The Enterprise - GOED board members uneasy about public funding for SLC hotel
     
     
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Excellent read on the convention hotel Orlando. Thanks for posting it.
     
     
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Wow, making my way through the Wasatch Forum Threads this evening, and all of the Enterprise news from Orlando's posts, makes it seem like Metro Salt Lake is entering a mega boom cycle. I think the growth potential for the Wasatch Front is enormous. The transportation challenge will be in keeping up with the explosive growth.
     
     
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I noticed this on the City Council Agenda for tomorrow night, thought it may interest people:

5. G, G & D Woodruff LLC Housing Trust Fund Loan Written Briefing Only
The Council will receive a written briefing regarding a request by G, G & D Woodruff LLC for a $500,000 Housing Trust
Fund Loan at 3% simple interest per annum. The 30-year loan would be used to construct the Brunswick Place
Apartment Building at 245 South 200 East. The seven-story project would consist of 132 residential units – 127 of
which would be affordable rental housing units for residents who earn 75 percent or less of the City’s area median
income.
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I walked by the Federal Courthouse the other day and noticed that this little piece that is supposed to be protruding is actually flush with the rest of the building. Did anyone else notice this? I wonder if they cut out all of the protruding glass curtain-walls to save money or something? That's a bummer if they did.


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I am quite sure that that window was designed to be flush with the other windows but it will receive a stainless steel shroud of sorts that will surround it and projects out.

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I walked by the Federal Courthouse the other day and noticed that this little piece that is supposed to be protruding is actually flush with the rest of the building. Did anyone else notice this? I wonder if they cut out all of the protruding glass curtain-walls to save money or something? That's a bummer if they did.


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