Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by dleung

Richmond increasingly seems shafted compared to these far-less-urban corridors, with almost all its stations horribly-placed mid-block as opposed to near a relevant intersection, all for the sake of reducing Brighouse and Westminster to one already-overcrowded station.

....and it also happens to be a single-platform, with 800 metres of single-tracking ahead of it! F-king insane.


I hope they install more pedestrian bridges in and around Lougheed Highway where Brentwood is, ground-level pedestrian crossings are a nightmare there.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by officedweller

What? Corrigan pleased with ... the Province?
Also shows what negotiations can accomplish rather than protest rallies and foot stomping.

You mean the province giving something to Burnaby that will benefit Burnaby only? Shocking.

[cairnstone]

I think it will be a great future station. The mall is going to be redeveloped by sharp in the next 5 years maybe longer. There is the property in the NW corner that is to be redeveloped and on the east side of north rd there is a lot of run down rental property that will be changed to towers over the next ten years. As others have indicated the west side of North Road is rezoned from single family. This is a good sign as no one wants to live under a sky train is a single family house.

Burnaby has allways addressed the sky train stations and developed around them. So I dont think this is going to be a waste of funs. And it is quite a walk from lougheed to Cameron not just a few blocks.

If the experts are correct we are going to be increasing our population by another million people. Many of these people will rely on skytrain to get arround. And will existing malls as hubs to develop around it is a win win.

What needs to be done is force developers to fund the stations through there permits and fees. It would need to be a multi city inforced to be fair. This way the price of the stations will be subsidised by the ones that gain the most.

I believe Bosa/Safeway is funding part of the Burquitlam as they want to reduce the number of parking spots in there buildings.

[twoNeurons]

You have to remember that Cameron is also up a hill, so while it may be only 800m, it's not an easy walk.

[David]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You mean the province giving something to Burnaby that will benefit Burnaby only? Shocking.

How will Cameron Station only benefit Burnaby when it is literally on the boundary of Burnaby and Coquitlam?

[queetz@home]

I knew Derek Corrigan and the city of Burnaby actually "pleased...with the Province" was too good to be true.

http://www.burnabynow.com/news/Burnaby+province+tussle+over+Cameron+Station/7433892/story.html

But at Monday night's council meeting, Mayor Derek Corrigan made it clear this is not what the city was requesting.

"It was fairly cute, the announcement the ministry made," he said.

Burnaby city manager Bob Moncur clarified at the meeting that the city was looking for a 50/50 cost-sharing agreement to a maximum of $3 million for Burnaby - not to simply put forward $3 million.

As the old saying goes...

Once a thief, always a thief...

[dleung]

Originally Posted by nname

How is No. 3 Road, at least the section north of Westminster Hwy, far more urban than the North Road corridor? When the line opened, there's nothing more than large malls, strip malls, big parking lots, industrial area, and empty lands.

And from my list, the Richmond section actually have closer station spacing than North Road...

Your list is wrong. The TRACK between lougheed and cameron may be 800m, but the shortest path of travel is less than 600m. Richmond's downtown is far more urban than North Road or Coquitlam centre because it has 40,000 residents, and had huge momentum/pressure for development years before skytrain was under construction. The warehouses and strip malls are far more likely to be redeveloped in the next 5 years than the single detached homes surrounding North road.

Originally Posted by mr.x

....and it also happens to be a single-platform, with 800 metres of single-tracking ahead of it! F-king insane.

No 3 road will likely be known as that place where they spent tens of millions building a dedicated rapid busway, only to rip it up 5 years later to build skytrain, only to have to rip up part of it 5 years from now, to doubletrack it to another station at Granville like it should have been.

[nname]

Originally Posted by dleung

Your list is wrong. The TRACK between lougheed and cameron may be 800m, but the shortest path of travel is less than 600m. Richmond's downtown is far more urban than North Road or Coquitlam centre because it has 40,000 residents, and had huge momentum/pressure for development years before skytrain was under construction. The warehouses and strip malls are far more likely to be redeveloped in the next 5 years than the single detached homes surrounding North road.

The 800m IS the shortest walkable distance. The track distance is around 1km when measured from the centre of both platforms. Straight line distance is 700m, but the number is meanless unless you can fly...

And the population for each of the region around North Road is:

Cariboo-Burquitlam (Coquitlam, 2001): 18,845
Cameron (Burnaby, 2006): 8,255
Lyndhurst (Burnaby, 2006): 4,645

Add them all up and you get a good 32k population on the corridor.

[SpongeG]

i live in that area and I can tell ya they are knocking down single dwelling homes faster than you can shake a cat being replaced with townhouses and/or duplexes or condo apartment buildings, whole blocks of houses have been replaced in the last couple years

[logan5]

If they're gonna run an elevated guideway down the middle of a residential street - North Road, I hope they have plans to green the hell out of it. Maybe cover the columns with ivy.

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by logan5

If they're gonna run an elevated guideway down the middle of a residential street - North Road, I hope they have plans to green the hell out of it. Maybe cover the columns with ivy.

North Road only becomes residential north of Como Lake Ave. Otherwise, the houses bordering North Road face away from it.

[cornholio]

Originally Posted by dleung

Your list is wrong. The TRACK between lougheed and cameron may be 800m, but the shortest path of travel is less than 600m. Richmond's downtown is far more urban than North Road or Coquitlam centre because it has 40,000 residents, and had huge momentum/pressure for development years before skytrain was under construction. The warehouses and strip malls are far more likely to be redeveloped in the next 5 years than the single detached homes surrounding North road.



No 3 road will likely be known as that place where they spent tens of millions building a dedicated rapid busway, only to rip it up 5 years later to build skytrain, only to have to rip up part of it 5 years from now, to doubletrack it to another station at Granville like it should have been.

North road is pretty dense, although I agree that around Brighouse Richmond is denser then any part of North rd when ignoring everything north west of Lougheed mall (lots of people cramed in there). But overall North rd is denser imo, there are lots of apartments and rentals around there making full use of their living spaces. I have a hard time believing num 3 rd outside of brighouse is even remotely close to the density of North rd end to end. There are alos pretty big lots around there and I can see the single family homes being redeveloped to townhouses and apartments around there rather quickly (realtive to other single family neighbourhoods). Although the strip malls should be easier and faster to redevelop around num 3rd there is also another thing limiting density, the river. Where North rd still has single family homes within a reasonable distance of it, Richmond has a river.

edit: according to this, http://www.shapeproperties.com/sites/def...0Brochure%20-%20January%2012,%202012.pdf, there is 66,900 people within 3km of Lougheed town center...Not sure how or where they get their numbers.

[GeeCee]

Article in the Burnaby NewsLeader was just published yesterday about greening the median under the guideway along North Road:

http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/news/175323271.html

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Article in the Burnaby NewsLeader was just published yesterday about greening the median under the guideway along North Road:

http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/news/175323271.html

i.e. they saw what Richmond did and realized they were wrong in not cooperating on the M-Line median.

Unfortunately, what they are doing with their trellises is creating a long barrier down the middle of the road. That will work exactly in opposition to the benefits of having the guideway elevated (versus a fenced at-grade LRT RoW) - to allow interaction across and through the areas below it (if only via clear sightlines).

The trellises is a tall fence and will be a visual wall down the middle of the street, making the guideway look even more oppressive.
It will divide the community.

http://www.burnabynewsleader.com/news/175323271.html

[logan5]

I was thinking of greening the columns themselves. Install trellises right up to the guideway so the columns completely disappear.

Thanks for posting the article.

[officedweller]

Yeah, that's what Richmond did and would be a better solution.
It's an example of the traffic guys trying to be too controlling (i.e. preventing jaywalking). The median itself will provide a refuge for jaywalkers - so design it to be compatible with that eventuality - by adding hard surface areas among the planted areas.

[Millennium2002]

I think they should just put glass along the median... it's not crash resistant, but at least it'll keep the jaywalkers out while maintaining a view of activity across the street. That along with planting shrubs around the medians sounds like a good alternative proposal.

[SpongeG]

i just drove down north road today, they were busy planting trees and finishing sidewalk stuff on the burnaby side, its quite a bit wider now

[GregG]

In Port Moody the results of the design charrette have been presented to City Council. There were 44 participants and there was more focus on the west-end of Port Moody than the Ioco station on the east-side. 2 of the 5 groups had nothing to say on the Ioco area.
You can download the documents at the bottom of this link:
http://www.portmoody.ca/index.aspx?page=704

Port Moody is way behind, they were suppose to have the draft OCP in September and now they say it will be November. I don't know if this design document is what the city was expecting. I thought the city was expecting high-rises closer to the stations but there is not much of that here. For Central Station there are suggestions for higher buildings on the south edge of the city, up the slope to maintain views.

For the area south of the Dewdney Trunk Road (south-east corner of the city) there are hardly any suggestions for change. That is the area I live in and when I see the way the city describes TOD I expected they would use that area to increase density around Ioco station but that is not the way this group sees it. I had expected there would be ideas for more Newport Village or Suter Brook style developments.

What do you think, does a document like this have much impact on what the updated OCP will look like?

[Dave2]

Originally Posted by nname

The 800m IS the shortest walkable distance. The track distance is around 1km when measured from the centre of both platforms. Straight line distance is 700m, but the number is meanless unless you can fly...

And the population for each of the region around North Road is:

Cariboo-Burquitlam (Coquitlam, 2001): 18,845
Cameron (Burnaby, 2006): 8,255
Lyndhurst (Burnaby, 2006): 4,645

Add them all up and you get a good 32k population on the corridor.

Someone said it was a five minute walk; I've done it and google's 12 minutes is probably closer to the truth. http://goo.gl/maps/QZwOz