Lansdowne Park Redevelopment Phase 1 | Completed - Page 100

concernedottawa · #**1981** Posted **Aug 28, 2012, 7:51 PM**

Reply to JOT13
As far as it is known, the matter of having a competitive bidding process is
still to be decided.

City manager Kent Kirkpatrick stated as much earlier this summer.

See post 1956.

ml1471 · #**1982** Posted **Aug 28, 2012, 8:53 PM**

Sweet! I have finally found a perfect place for a great quote:

"Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience"

J.OT13 · #**1983** Posted **Aug 28, 2012, 9:56 PM**

Here's your quote concerenedottawa

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City Manager Kent Kirkpatrick was quoted in June stating nothing can proceed until matters before the Court of Appeal on the second case are settled.

Examination of financials have been postponed to September/October of this year as a result.

Other development firms are preparing in the event the ruling directs the open bid.

No mention of a competition or even the possibility of one. Kirkpatrick is just stating that we can't do any work (OSEG related) until all court challenges are over.

I do recall Kirkpatrick saying something along these lines, but I would still like a proper reference to see the exact date.

And as for the "Other development firms are preparing in the event the ruling directs the open bid”, that's complete bull. LPC is the only other "proposal". If the city and OSEG's deal would really have been non legit, other big developers would have brought the city to court demanding a competition.

Radster · #**1984** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 4:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by concernedottawa

BTW, RFP is 3 months, construction is 28 months for a total of 31 months.

You just lost any credibility you had left, and I don't think you had any left either. RFP 3 months? Wake up, educate yourself, an RFP process for such a project, can take an entire 12 months, as you have to first draft and issue an RFP, provide sufficient time for bidders to put together and submit proposals, then take the time to evaluate proposals, draft the contract, negotiate some contract terms with the winning bidder, and finally sign the contract.

Now please, stop posting repetitive nonsense in this thread, or we'll have to get a moderator to ban your 4th reincarnated version of the same LPC dude.

concernedottawa · #**1985** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 6:23 PM**

The RFP of a green space, stadium ( to required specs ), business model and management model has been drafted long ago.

Putting one to tender would not be a problem as the RFP for the front lawn demonstrated ( which was completed in 90 days ).

Arguments stating otherwise are pointless.

Having said that it was up to the courts to order a competitive process.

The courts have concluded.

Unless the City chooses otherwise the City will be stuck with the developer plan.

c_speed3108 · #**1986** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 7:04 PM**

The court of appeal has denied the so-called Lansdowne Park Conservancy leave to appeal so that is officially dead in the water aside the $1000 in legal costs awarded against LPC.

JeffB · #**1987** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 7:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by concernedottawa

The courts have concluded.

They sure have....

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Originally Posted by c_speed3108

The court of appeal has denied the so-called Lansdowne Park Conservancy leave to appeal so that is officially dead in the water aside the $1000 in legal costs awarded against LPC.

lrt's friend · #**1988** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 7:52 PM**

How much time and money has been wasted .................... for absolutely nothing? When can we expect real construction to begin?

McC · #**1989** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by c_speed3108

The court of appeal has denied the so-called Lansdowne Park Conservancy leave to appeal so that is officially dead in the water aside the $1000 in legal costs awarded against LPC.

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/08/29/lansdowne-litigation-almost-over/

lrt's friend · #**1990** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 8:09 PM**

The question remains, will the city move forward now? The door is still open a sliver through an appeal to the Supreme Court although the chance of success is close to zero. I wouldn't doubt an appeal and then simply declare bankruptcy afterwards to avoid liability for costs. You can do that if you have few assets. But all this has been about stall tactics to throw a wrench in the works. There was never a realistic chance of overruling City Council. Even if the courts had ruled against the city, they would have reworked everything to produce the same results.

Cre47 · #**1991** Posted **Aug 29, 2012, 11:46 PM**

They just need to go away. What a waste of time them.

J.OT13 · #**1992** Posted **Aug 30, 2012, 2:11 AM**

If he appeals, the Supreme Court should just throw him out right off the bat. We don't have time for this BS anymore. The city needs to sue this bastard for all he's got now to prevent any more delays.

concernedottawa · #**1993** Posted **Aug 30, 2012, 6:41 AM**

It is actually a very interesting and important area of public precedent that would apply nationally.

JeffB · #**1994** Posted **Aug 30, 2012, 4:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by concernedottawa

It is actually a very interesting and important area of public precedent that would apply nationally.

I doubt it. It was thrown out of Superior Court and the Appeals Court chose not to hear it. The Supreme Court should not give it the time of day.

Nepean · #**1995** Posted **Aug 30, 2012, 5:53 PM**

When I was in law school a few years back, I was taught that a lawyer should never give a "100 per cent guarantee" that a court would rule in a certain way. Even if you knew you were going to win, the best you could do is tell the client that their chances of winning looked really good, because to do otherwise would be interfering with the role of the judiciary to make decisions.

The memo from the City's lawyer makes sense from this perspective as he cannot speak for the Supreme Court of Canada. The best that the City can say is that it would be very difficult for an appeal to succeed. However, if you read between the lines, which is easy to do here, it is crystal clear that the City believes that an appeal to the Supreme Court is pointless.

The decision by the Ontario Court of Appeal not to hear this case means that the legal saga is over and that construction can now go ahead.

Jamaican-Phoenix · #**1996** Posted **Aug 31, 2012, 1:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

I respect that you have your opinion on the whole Lansdowne deal, but get over it; you guys lost, OSEG won and that’s it. You don’t see everyone still arguing about a third subway station in the CBD because we excepted defeat.

True, but if there's a city-wide issue like that, we really shouldn't have given up. After all, the Ottawa of 2030 will be different than the Ottawa of 2012.

Udon'tknow · #**1997** Posted **Aug 31, 2012, 2:13 AM**

Hello Ottawa,

Can someone give me a quick update as to where the stadium is at and when the Ottawa CFL team is expected to rejoin the league? I am sure the info is somewhere in the previous 100 pages of blogging but I'm lazy.

Is the stadium still a go, is it under construction, if so when will it be finished, are all the legal issues cleared up?

Here in Regina our new stadium has been a long process and it looks like financing is finally in place and construction to start in about a years time but there are also some opposed citizens organizing a plebisite on the financing so who knows what will happen. In any event, I am curious as to the status of your proposed stadium. Thanks in advance..

J.OT13 · #**1998** Posted **Aug 31, 2012, 2:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Udon'tknow

Hello Ottawa,

Can someone give me a quick update as to where the stadium is at and when the Ottawa CFL team is expected to rejoin the league? I am sure the info is somewhere in the previous 100 pages of blogging but I'm lazy.

Is the stadium still a go, is it under construction, if so when will it be finished, are all the legal issues cleared up?

Here in Regina our new stadium has been a long process and it looks like financing is finally in place and construction to start in about a years time but there are also some opposed citizens organizing a plebisite on the financing so who knows what will happen. In any event, I am curious as to the status of your proposed stadium. Thanks in advance..

CFL; looking at 2014, could be 2015 (http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/16/cfls-return-could-be-delayed-mayor)

Stadium; still a go, not started yet. Legal hurdles had to be cleared.

Completion; 2014/2015 area

Legal hurdles; as of yesterday, they seem to be cleared; stand by

I hope you guys don’t go thru the same thing. Thanks for your intrest and if you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.

GlassCity · #**1999** Posted **Aug 31, 2012, 8:53 AM**

Will the Gee-Gees play at Frank Clair once it's completed, or do they get their own stadium?

LeadingEdgeBoomer · #**2000** Posted **Aug 31, 2012, 9:24 AM**

In answer to GlassCity

uOttawa is building a small campus stadium right now. They hoped to have it for this September, but constructionn problems has delayed it until November.
They will play on a borrowed field this season. The campus stadium will have a bubble dome over the field this, and every winter, for university and community use.

When Frank Clair is rebuilt, the Gee-Gees will have the option to use it at times. The plan is to play at FC when it is perceived that a game will draw a larger crowd than the small campus stadium will hold.

Carleton U in Ottawa will have a football team starting in 2013. They too will have their own small campus stadium. They too will opt to play at FC when there is a game that is likely to draw more fans than the campus stadium can hold.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.